Fair enough.
If nothing else, we'll want to Expand Forests sometime soon, and expand shrines / study forest / expand forest should be a pretty good turn in its own right.
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If nothing else, we'll want to Expand Forests sometime soon, and expand shrines / study forest / expand forest should be a pretty good turn in its own right.
Depending on how it goes, we might want to 2x [main] expand shrines. This'll give us plenty of spare mysticism so that we can grab whatever mysticism-related shinies we want over the next several turns: blackbirds, healers, new sacred warriors, etc.
Alternatively, we could 2x [main] fishing to virtually guarantee the boating advancement and boost our econ enough that we can basically ignore it while we explore the metalworking tech tree.
Oh and in case anyone was wondering here's how the vote looked at the end:
[38][Secondary] Study Health
[20][Secondary] New Settlement - Coastal
[18][Secondary] Study Forests
[11][Secondary] New Settlement - Blue stone quarry
Alternatively, we could 2x [main] fishing to virtually guarantee the boating advancement and boost our econ enough that we can basically ignore it while we explore the metalworking tech tree.
Oh and in case anyone was wondering here's how the vote looked at the end:
[38][Secondary] Study Health
[20][Secondary] New Settlement - Coastal
[18][Secondary] Study Forests
[11][Secondary] New Settlement - Blue stone quarry
Have I mentioned how much I appreciate your Cato the Elder reference.
Romv
A Memory of TREES
You had notHave I mentioned how much I appreciate your Cato the Elder reference.
I'm glad you noticed. I was afraid I'd ruined it by making it kinda longer than the original, but I couldn't help myself adding some flowery language.
It was still recognisable. Though maybe because I actually tried to do the same thing once. In Amber Age.You had not
I'm glad you noticed. I was afraid I'd ruined it by making it kinda longer than the original, but I couldn't help myself adding some flowery language.
Umi-san
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Nomad carts aren't superior unless the TH war cart design has been copied and spread. Stole weaponry and armor from DP so likely not superior now. We steal tech easily.
ST is too weak to attack us. WC is too weak to attack us and has a diplo roll in the way. Nomads might back off but a) endless raids b) only if they're not angered by the invasion of their own land. They have an easier time developing new stuff due to hero units, too. You're fear mongering and then downplaying.
Anyways, whatever, the opportunity was lost. Alea iacta est.
Old news, possibly untrue now. We get a lot of food surplus alrdy and smoking is long term more reliable than freezing.
Still accept traders who go through north.
Didn't brag, was loud.
Votes locked then.
Shouldn't we have the nomads version of the war carts already given this part of our trait?
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We didn't have a decent multi-year drought for a while. Nor did we have some sort of aphid infestation or other natural disaster killing our crops. So...our food production was not stress tested for a long while, but that's no reason to be lax.
Besides, we cannot smoke wheat, so getting more foods that can be salted or smoked (like fish or meat) is a reasonable precaution.
And another, darkly amusing aside: sudden big drought would overall benefit our civilization, because lol refugees and we have enough food to feed them all. That's a state of affairs that should be maintained....on that note, another idea within confines of my brain is this:
[Main] Restore Harmony
[Sec] Walls - Lower Valley
[Sec] New Settlement - Blue stone quarry
Reason is...last time we did not want to risk accepting maximum refugees because of 0 stability. I think that being at positive 1 (and ideally 2, at least because I am curious about its effects) will be only helpful to our civilization.
Umi-san
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Have old model, not unique new plank model. Only example not available; More War Carts option offers chance of developing anyway.
Wheat can be dried and ground, store it in a dry cool place w/ cats and it lasts years.. We have enough surplus from it to last through a two year drought or longer, as noted last turn.
We're at Econ 6 and Econ = food at this point so...
Also, I support expand fishing for trade dev. Just find diet-based argument foolish. Argue it's a drought resistant source. We fish the ocean.
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Well, yes, but more food allows society to support more artisans and grow more people, thus increasing population and it kind of self-perpetuates. I think that higher food production should likely result in increased population growth (especially in our society of careful management of reserves), thus making every aspect of society stronger.
And about next turn...okay, I've more or less made up my mind:
[Main] Restore Harmony
[Sec] More Blackbirds
[Sec] New Settlement - Blue stone quarry
Reasoning: Main one is obvious - I want to have a buffer to allow us to safely take bigger stability hits.
Blackbirds can mitigate the lack of walls in the Lower Valley - it is fairly deep within our lands, so incoming forces are going to suffer a lot of attrition in hills and forests if we have decent number of Blackbirds. Plus having more of them will allow us to scout Lowlands, for example, thus giving earlier warning of attacks, which is a good defensive bonus by itself.
Plus probably a bit of synergy with the Restore Harmony.
And blue stone quarry because our Diplo sucks and to prepare space for the incoming people, because soon war will continue.
Actually, 'soon war will continue, I want to prepare' is the valid reason for each of the actions in such a plan.
Thoughts?
We've basically been told that it's tech stopping us from storing food any longer than we are, and that's it. More food will not help in those regards, period. Our people will also not stop valuing anything more than more food for several hundred, if not thousand, years.
Hmm. It's not the research action I've been hoping for, but I think I'll support this, barring events.
Umi-san
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obvious benefits, doesn't mean fish is the only way.
*shrug* RH is good for stability, but you maybe should advocate for double maining it, it's a more reliable path.
Edit: lol we're alrdy making a coastal settlement.
Expand Fishing then, maybe. Or Study Forest to go with the Blackbirds.
If war is know to be going to continue, making a settlement was the wiser choice, but that time has passed. We should tech up semi-fast while we can so that when it comes to us we won't fall before its scythe.
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This is exactly why we should do them ahead of time rather than waiting until we're in the negatives.
Umi-san
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That goes against the mechanics of RH.
RH costs us 1 stability, then gives us 1d4-1. It's best to do it when we do not need them, because if we do it when we need them they'll hurt us.
However, the canal finishing will bring us to +1 so RH might not be necessary, so long as people don't take in a -2 sized group.
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Fair point, but having more food will still allow us to increase population faster, thus leading to the faster growth of the state as a whole.
Though maybe it is my Civ5 habit of 'food is the best yield' speaking, I don't know.
Fair. I could see an argument for pastures, especially with the current cowpox thingie and need for
But we are already building coastal settlement this turn. Or do you mean it as 'we do not need new settlement next turn because we've just founded coastal one'?
That's why the maining. Maybe double main instead of Ultramarine Settlement, just to make sure?
A valid point.
I am absolutely sure I do want Restore Harmony done ahead of time and Blackbirds for scouting, but I am not sure whether the second secondary should be Ultramarine Village, Fishing, Pastures or doubling down on Restore Harmony. Or on Blackbirds, maybe.
That'd mean Restore Harmony as a secondary. I'm pretty sure we don't want that.
I'm pretty sure we'll get one more tick from the canal settlement, and the econ from the canal itself, so there's not too much reason to take an econ action this turn; Restore Harmony / More Blackbirds / Expand Shrine is an option, if we haven't taken an econ hit from events.
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> so long as people don't take in -2 Stab hit group
We almost took in such a group previous turn, while we were on 0 stability and couldn't even Main Restore Harmony or whatever due to Channel. So I can guarantee you that at +1 we are going to take such a group.
+1 is not really...I'd prefer sitting on +2, just to check out what it looks like and to be able to intake the largest possible refugee groups without going into negatives.
No, we can double Secondaries to the effect of getting the second Main action.
[Main] RH
[Sec] Blackbirds
[Sec] Blackbirds x2
is what I meant. I am not sure that's exactly what I want, but this is an option. Would make sure we have enough of them to scout and be proto-police, for example.
Granted, I am still more inclined towards double Maining RH, but only by a thing margin.
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Hmm focusing on Diplomancy is probably a good idea. If only so we can figure out what our neighbors/future trading partners have traits for so we know what we can get.
depending on what doing studying health brings us I might push for more of it. We can't dismiss the benefits of being the people everyone turns to for their experts/medical matters. Not to mention the benefits for our own people.
Food isn't... Okay, to be fair I haven't played Civ 5 much because so many things annoyed me it caused me to not bother getting the expansion packs, which I hear make the game good. Traditionally though it's been hammers that have been the best resource, with gold being hilariously good in 4 from what I remember. You just need food to get them, but you need to not focuses solely on food.
In this game food isn't our bottleneck. Our cities have limits in how much they can grow due to societal standards and tech. Our food tech is also ridiculously advanced for the era, at the cost of everything else not being very far. The nomads are likely the most actually 'advanced' civ that we know of, with us being roughly on the same level as the DP and ST.
One of the things people are very much forgetting is that we can't just 'out tech' our neighbors.
If I had to say what our bottleneck here is, I would say it's our neighbors. Actually, let me rephrase that. Our bottleneck is our action economy, our neighbors are the bottleneck we can do something about.