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Mkay. At this point, I'm guessing that the event AN was refering to was Dented Legitimacy + Overflowing Martial.

The former was entirely our choice; the latter happened because we went for a new tech and got an unanticipated stat boost from developing a major new tech.


Sure, I can buy that causing a crisis. I think it should still be a minor crisis, comparable to what happened the last two times we have Martial Spillover, but we will see.
 
Carrnage said:
Depends on whether the landloss cascade has been triggered.
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Ok nice panicking, so your saying our priests are going to make their own separate nation?
I simply thought they were going to coup. Why do you think their goin to make their own nation, despite the fact that the 100 years of internal peace would then currently break one of the bases of their power?
 
Carrnage said:
Depends on whether the landloss cascade has been triggered.
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If it was we'd have taken stab damage. Mind, we might be in a spot to take that hit later, but at least from the civ sheet as posted, we 1. haven't lost any land to trigger stab hits, 2. none of our subordinates have rebelled or even lost loyalty, and 3. we haven't gained any new statuses or had the pirate one worsen

Of course, AN did say he updated things "for the most part", so he might just be waiting to include those until he posts the update, to avoid spoiling things more than his hints have, but... *Shrug*

I will note that from what AN has said, it doesn't sound like a catastrophic civil war. it sounds like unruly soldiers starting a war again, probably with the nomads (which would be bad since they're super strong right now and might be on the verge of full hard mode via horseback riding), possibly with the trelli or free hills for full on diplomatic snafu, or much less likely either the khemetri or the harmurri, maybe? But probably nomads, trelli, or free hills, in that order, since thats the order of "easiest for soldiers to justify the gods needing them to attack"
 
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PrimalShadow said:
Mkay. At this point, I'm guessing that the event AN was refering to was Dented Legitimacy + Overflowing Martial.

The former was entirely our choice; the latter happened because we went for a new tech and got an unanticipated stat boost from developing a major new tech.


Sure, I can buy that causing a crisis. I think it should still be a minor crisis, comparable to what happened the last two times we have Martial Spillover, but we will see.
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I imagine it will be something similar to "Warriors are dissatisfied with the current situation, and are making demands of the government."

We'll likely have the option to:
Give into demands, which will tank legitimacy, while also instituting whatever reforms they desire.
Compromising, which may not cost legitimacy but may cost stability, so that some things are instituted but not others, causes the crisis to simmer down but not go away.
Refuse demands, which will prompt a civil war with the Prophet as their spiritual leader, losing would probably make us into either a decentralized confederacy or a theocracy with the Prophet as the ruler.
 
SpeckofStardust said:
Ok nice panicking, so your saying our priests are going to make their own separate nation?
I simply thought they were going to coup. Why do you think their goin to make their own nation, despite the fact that the 100 years of internal peace would then currently break one of the bases of their power?
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Okay assuming they do coup how do you think our vassals the have lords loyalty will respond to their lord being violently usurped?
 
Raichu1972 said:
I imagine it will be something similar to "Warriors are dissatisfied with the current situation, and are making demands of the government."

We'll likely have the option to:
Give into demands, which will tank legitimacy, while also instituting whatever reforms they desire.
Compromising, which may not cost legitimacy but may cost stability, so that some things are instituted but not others, causes the crisis to simmer down but not go away.
Refuse demands, which will prompt a civil war with the Prophet as their spiritual leader, losing would probably make us into either a decentralized confederacy or a theocracy with the Prophet as the ruler.
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What makes you think the prophet has anything to do with the issue?

The priest faction is not aligned with the Prophet, at all. We just upset the orthodox priest faction, which is now making trouble for us; the reformist movement such as it is isn't involved.
 
Maybe some priests just absorbed loose warriors and formed a holy order. We are not at point of civil war nor separation of anything yet.

Holy order of king not my faith's king vs Resentment of materialism priests/noble mystic genius vs whatjusthappened government
 
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Relevant youtube video:



How a pattern welded sword is made. Produces really nice wavy patterns.

I guess that is now considered the signature marks of Ymaryn craftsmanship.

SpeckofStardust said:
perfectly fine? Kings get voted in and can be voted out if found to have problems, and 'the gods disapprove' is a 'problem'.
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You can't vote a King out. That's not how the office work.

We might get that option later if we adopt a constitutional monarchy rather than becoming a republic.
 
SpeckofStardust said:
perfectly fine? Kings get voted in and can be voted out if found to have problems, and 'the gods disapprove' is a 'problem'.
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Actually, Kings rule for life, and i dont there theres any "normal" means to oust a king once their in...i know there wasn't a while ago. Its the heir that can be voted out if theres a problem. Remember how when we were first learning about hte new Free Hills the fact that their kings had a limited term was pointed out as being really weird to the People?
 
PrimalShadow said:
What makes you think the prophet has anything to do with the issue?

The priest faction is not aligned with the Prophet, at all. We just upset the orthodox priest faction, which is now making trouble for us; the reformist movement such as it is isn't involved.
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The Prophet seems like the most likely candidate to rile up the warriors, considering that he was talking about how the Traders and Guildsmen and Patriarchs were all bad for caring so much about wealth, and likely also doesn't care about the priests due to the fact that he's avoiding them and mentioned that they abused their prophecies.
 
Raichu1972 said:
The Prophet seems like the most likely candidate to rile up the warriors, considering that he was talking about how the Traders and Guildsmen and Patriarchs were all bad for caring so much about wealth, and likely also doesn't care about the priests due to the fact that he's avoiding them and mentioned that they abused their prophecies.
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I would think the ones riling up the people are the same group that actually cost us legitimacy here; i.e. the priest faction.
 
PrimalShadow said:
I would think the ones riling up the people are the same group that actually cost us legitimacy here; i.e. the priest faction.
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I remember AN saying there was a general negative sentiment towards the Priests after the Trelli War, which is the primary reason as to why I don't think it's them.

I admit that I could be wrong though, so everything I say is just speculation.
 
Some speculation: I don't think the legitimacy drop itself was bad, but I think we chose a really poor time to drop our legitimacy.

We set up an explosive set of factors: we got involved in a long messy war without clear goals, we indulged the Urban Poor probably more than we should have, we were running into serious dangers with overflow, we blew off the priests, then we blew off our Genius when he told us we dun fucked up, and we apparently got Damascus steel probably boosting Martial.

Some of these were events or consequences we really couldn't have foreseen, but most of it was poor choices on our part. No blame for anyone voting this way or that way, because, well, Hindsight Bias, but it would probably be helpful to pay careful attention to the narrative impact of our choices going forward: I think this is a case of hidden mechanics tied to the narrative coming back to bite us.
 
"The die is cast"

This tag is now official truth.

We mined the ore, made the mold, pour the iron, cast the die, and now rolled it.
 
So far the Golden Age of Ymaryn included the following:

  • Philosophical development.
    • Cynicism
    • Universality
  • Shipbuilding innovations. Corresponding military innovation.
  • Astronomy, including weather prediction.
  • Megaproject completions:
    • Place to the Stars
    • Grand Dock
    • Artisan Games
  • Material innovation:
    • porcelain
    • tar
    • classical kiln
  • New plants:
    • Cotton
  • Structural Changes:
    • Artisan class enlarged as a result of The Artisan Games. Rural population ratio lowered.
  • Values upgrade:
    • Love of Wisdom to Philosopher Kings
I don't know if historians would consider the current age a Golden Age given that we only have a couple of centuries of written history at most. We still don't have our equivalent of Herodotus, the father of history.

@Academia Nut Is there any historians yet among the priesthood and the educated?
 
ExNihilo said:
AN can't kill us if we self-destruct first! Brilliant plan Void, let's do it!
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We are quiet different from before, and will continue to change done the line. So~~~eventually we will have a barb between fundamentalist and futurist.

PrimalShadow said:
Nemesis Fashion has Pride In Acceptance draw on ourselves, giving us... Pride in Acceptance!

Then the new Pride in Acceptance value slot needs to get filled, so Nemesis Fashion has us draw on ourselves...
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*Perpetual motion discovered. Or 2 of us arguing who is more Ymaryn.
 
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