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Lilithium said:
From every instory perspective, aka everyone but Ashyn, he was a monster. Ashyn being bad is completely factual. His apparent thought process is typical of a narcissist or psycho/sociopath too. He was a horrible leader besides.

Any attempts to romanticize or justify Ashyn should be met with scorn.
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Sure, Ashyn was a murderous tyrant who lead war with a fervour only matched only by the Ymaryn in their darkest time, all because he didn't get the girl he wanted (and he had the indecency to do this without becoming a proper yandere), and ultimately ripped a giant hole in the world through which every demon, dragon and curse that ever existed went through, which according to Theology caused most of misery that exists today.

On the other hand, said dragons later gave us Yenyna's kickass armour, so I think it evens out in the end.
 
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VoidZero said:
But I'm under Mari faction.:p

Anyway, i think next turn the King's gonna kick the bucket. So someone needs to think up a epic motto for his gravestone. (We have those right?)
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*sniff*
Rebuild peasantry.

And King....for all we know, this one will order people to throw him right into black soil where everyone belongs or whatever; cynics can be weird.
 
Academia Nut said:
At this point, you have very little control over the territory you are fighting over, so clay grabbing really isn't on the table.
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Academia Nut said:
Given that all of your territories have been completely untouched, and you started it, the prophecy still stands.
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Is it sad that I want the priests to be utterly screwed because their the only reason we could have launched a war for such a foolish reason?
Also if we cant get any land out of this.
[x] Peace out
If the only thing we get out of this is damaging the treilli then it's not worth it, if we cant gain were sending our people to die for nothing.
 
Andres110 said:
what do our spirit chief and war chief recommend?
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Well, the vote is already settled and I will be attempting to update tonight, but:

Spirit Chief - Securing the elimination of slavery where we can should satisfy the gods, as we clearly did our best given the circumstances
War Chief - This entire mission was fundamentally flawed from the start, so ideally never have done this. With what we have now, a withdrawal of some kind is recommended
 
Academia Nut said:
Well, the vote is already settled and I will be attempting to update tonight, but:

Spirit Chief - Securing the elimination of slavery where we can should satisfy the gods, as we clearly did our best given the circumstances
War Chief - This entire mission was fundamentally flawed from the start, so ideally never have done this. With what we have now, a withdrawal of some kind is recommended
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So basically literally nobody wants to actually keep fighting?

I sense another stab hit in our immediate future.
 
Academia Nut said:
Well, the vote is already settled and I will be attempting to update tonight, but:

Spirit Chief - Securing the elimination of slavery where we can should satisfy the gods, as we clearly did our best given the circumstances
War Chief - This entire mission was fundamentally flawed from the start, so ideally never have done this. With what we have now, a withdrawal of some kind is recommended
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Come on, @veekie, everyone involved wants to stop the war. Let's stop the war.
 
Academia Nut said:
Well, the vote is already settled and I will be attempting to update tonight, but:

Spirit Chief - Securing the elimination of slavery where we can should satisfy the gods, as we clearly did our best given the circumstances
War Chief - This entire mission was fundamentally flawed from the start, so ideally never have done this. With what we have now, a withdrawal of some kind is recommended
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On the bright side, it will be a good lesson for future generations of Ymaryn and for thread voters. :V

Glassware said:
So basically literally nobody wants to actually keep fighting?

I sense another stab hit in our immediate future.
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I am, like, 95% sure there is a hidden "War Exhaustion" stat in the game and we are racking shovelloads of it now; on the other side of the coin, we probably almost don't get it in defensive wars.
 
One issue is that an early problem radically changed the calculus of the war in a way that was predictable in hindsight but never really accounted for. Although this does tie somewhat into the larger issue of you don't have good intel on what resources the Trelli have from beyond the strait and thus had a poor conceptualization of what their actual strategic depth was.
 
SpeckofStardust said:
If it wasn't possible to get any sort of land out of this why didn't you tell us earlier? Was it part of our war dec? Cause ever other crusade generally had people taking land.
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Y'all are so dumb (no offense).

Academia Nut said:
At this point, you have very little control over the territory you are fighting over, so clay grabbing really isn't on the table.
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Academia Nut said:
Because you have very little control over the clay.
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WE HAVE VERY LITTLE CONTROL OVER THE CLAY... AT THE MOMENT.
If you own 0 land, when you peace out you get how much land? 0.

As we keep fighting and get very [much] control over the territory [we] are fighting over..clay grabbing really [is] on the table.

Imo, this is simply logical. Please tell me if I've missed something.
 
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SpeckofStardust said:
No because people will use it to never wage war again, despite the fact that war is a tool that should be used before we hit the age of nukes...
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We should wage less wars, and ideally no wars at all. They sap our ability to focus on improving and governing our polity. If we want territory, we would actually have to work hard at our diplomacy game and make people peacefully join us.

And ultimately, war is a negative sum game. Thus, war shouldn't be regarded as a tool, but a thing to avoid. Unfortunately, while we could decide to not wage wars, this may not be the same for our neighbors. To be any good at war, we must practice and engage in them.
 
ctulhuslp said:
I am, like, 95% sure there is a hidden "War Exhaustion" stat in the game and we are racking shovelloads of it now; on the other side of the coin, we probably almost don't get it in defensive wars.
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At this point, I'm just hoping that when we eventually collapse due in part to being overcommitted to an unpopular war and having therefore ignored the fires burning elsewhere whatever portion of our civilization remains will be able to engrave "don't try to fix societal problems by waging offensive wars" on their lawstones.
 
Kiba said:
We should wage less wars, and ideally no wars at all. They sap our ability to focus on improving and governing our polity. If we want territory, we would actually have to work hard at our diplomacy game and make people peacefully join us.
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Our biggest territory gains have come from war. Your argument is invalid. And no one in this but the people who want war even seem to understand the diplomacy game.
 
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