Paths of Civilization

[Pyran]

[X] [MP] Gain a new Spiritual Value slot
[X] [Drought] Reinforce the periphery (Transfers 9 Econ to landed subordinates, +2 Temp Econ damage from drought)
[X] [Trelli] Support rebelling slaves (Declares war on Trelli, strait unlikely to open in time to ship food through, priests pleased, ???)
[X] [GA1] Black soil overdrive (-10 Econ, +5 EE, gain one use of the Terraform action)
[X] [GA2] Unlock Love of Wisdom for further upgrades (-10 Mysticism)

 

[Potato and Chip]

[X] [Drought] Reinforce the periphery (Transfers 9 Econ to landed subordinates, +2 Temp Econ damage from drought)
[X] [Trelli] Stay out of it
[X] [GA1] Gain new land management tech (-5 Econ, -5 Tech)
[X] [GA2] Materials tech upgrade (-5 Tech, -5 Mysticism)

 

[TheDanishLord]

[X] [Trelli] Support rebelling slaves (Declares war on Trelli, strait unlikely to open in time to ship food through, priests pleased, ???)
[X] [GA1] Gain new land management tech (-5 Econ, -5 Tech)
[X] [GA2] Materials tech upgrade (-5 Tech, -5 Mysticism)

 

[PrimalShadow]

@Academia Nut - why did we go from 3 turns on 1 turn in one update?

Yeomen- Objective: Have 20 or more Sustainable Forest within 3 turns. Success: +2 Sustainable Forest

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Yeomen- Objective: Have 20 or more Sustainable Forest within 1 turns.

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[Oshha]

[X] [Drought] Support everyone (Transfers 9 Econ to landed subordinates, -6 Econ, +4 Temp Econ damage from drought, neighbours you have access to are intensely grateful, ???)
[X] [Trelli] Support rebelling slaves (Declares war on Trelli, strait unlikely to open in time to ship food through, priests pleased, ???)

I'm going for these right now. I'm going to wait on convincing arguments for the other choices before voting on them.

 

[Manget]

[X] [MP] Upgrade a random Social or Spiritual value
[X] [Drought] Support everyone (Transfers 9 Econ to landed subordinates, -6 Econ, +4 Temp Econ damage from drought, neighbours you have access to are intensely grateful, ???)
[X] [Trelli] Support rebelling slaves(Declares war on Trelli, strait unlikely to open in time to ship food through, priests pleased, ???)
[X] [GA1] Materials tech upgrade (-10 Tech)
[X] [GA2] Materials tech upgrade (-5 Tech, -5 Mysticism)

Get all the Materials tech.

Also helping the slaves is the only moral option the other ones are evil.

 

[Carrnage]

[X] [MP] Upgrade a random Social or Spiritual value
[X] [Drought] Support everyone (Transfers 9 Econ to landed subordinates, -6 Econ, +4 Temp Econ damage from drought, neighbours you have access to are intensely grateful, ???)
[X] [Trelli] Stay out of it
[X] [GA1] Materials tech upgrade (-10 Tech)
[X] [GA2] Unlock Love of Wisdom for further upgrades (-10 Mysticism)

 

[Sivantic]

[X] [MP] Upgrade a random Social or Spiritual value
[X] [Drought] Support everyone (Transfers 9 Econ to landed subordinates, -6 Econ, +4 Temp Econ damage from drought, neighbours you have access to are intensely grateful, ???)
[X] [Trelli] Support rebelling slaves (Declares war on Trelli, strait unlikely to open in time to ship food through, priests pleased, ???)
[X] [GA1] Materials tech upgrade (-10 Tech)
[X] [GA2] Materials tech upgrade (-5 Tech, -5 Mysticism)

Upgrade our values while supporting everyone can only do good. Especially since I plan to support Rebelling slaves.

All the Material Tech Upgrades!

 

[George]

[X] [MP] Upgrade a random Social or Spiritual value
[X] [Drought] Reinforce the periphery (Transfers 9 Econ to landed subordinates, +2 Temp Econ damage from drought)
[X] [Trelli] Support rebelling slaves (Declares war on Trelli, strait unlikely to open in time to ship food through, priests pleased, ???)
[X] [GA1] Materials tech upgrade (-10 Tech)
[X] [GA2] Unlock Love of Wisdom for further upgrades (-10 Mysticism)

[X] [MP] Upgrade a random Social or Spiritual value
[X] [Drought] Support everyone (Transfers 9 Econ to landed subordinates, -6 Econ, +4 Temp Econ damage from drought, neighbours you have access to are intensely grateful, ???)
[X] [Trelli] Support rebelling slaves (Declares war on Trelli, strait unlikely to open in time to ship food through, priests pleased, ???)
[X] [GA1] Materials tech upgrade (-10 Tech)
[X] [GA2] Materials tech upgrade (-5 Tech, -5 Mysticism)

Upgrade our values while supporting everyone can only do good. Especially since I plan to support Rebelling slaves.

All the Material Tech Upgrades!

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But we can't get the food through to everyone if we support the slaves.

Consider Love of Wisdom unlock?

 

[Abby Normal]

@Academia Nut
A few quick questions;

Patricians - Objective: Build a governor's palace within a core province within 3 turns. Failure: -1 Stability
Guild - Objective: Build Glasswords within 1 turns. Success: +1 Tech & Culture, Failure: -3 Tech
Traders - Objective: Establish a navigable path to the Saffron Sea within 4 turns. Success: Ship innovation, Failure: Trelli gain trade power
Yeomen- Objective: Have 20 or more Sustainable Forest within 3 turns. Success: +2 Sustainable Forest
Priests- Objective: Have a level 2 Temple in Dragon Graveyard within 3 turns. Success: Theological innovation
Urban Poor- Objective: Build a Main Strength Theatre within 3 turns. Success: +1 Stability

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Patricians - Objective: Build a governor's palace within a core province within 2 turns. Failure: -1 Stability
Guild - Objective: Increase quality of pottery within 2 turns. Success: +1 Tech and Culture, Failure: -3 Wealth
Traders - Objective: Establish a navigable path to the Saffron Sea within 3 turns. Success: Ship innovation, Failure: Trelli gain trade power
Yeomen- Objective: Have 20 or more Sustainable Forest within 1 turns. Success: +2 Sustainable Forest
Priests- Objective: Have a level 2 Temple in Dragon Graveyard within 2 turns. Success: Theological innovation
Urban Poor- Objective: Build a Main Strength Theatre within 2 turns. Success: +1 Stability

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Why did we lose 2 turns on the yeoman quest? (Also, ouch, really traders, a 2 turn quest based on innovations??? With our shitty rolls?)

[Policy] Forestry x2

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With this, shouldn't we have 18 forests now? we had 16.5 last turn, this plus our existing policy would put us to 18.

[] [Drought] Reinforce the periphery (Transfers 9 Econ to landed subordinates, +2 Temp Econ damage from drought)
[] [Drought] Support everyone (Transfers 9 Econ to landed subordinates, -6 Econ, +4 Temp Econ damage from drought, neighbours you have access to are intensely grateful, ???)

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Just to confirm, these transfer will free up EE completely right? and the econ expense in the support everyone will get refunded by true cities like normal expenses (and since we have 6 cities right now, be fully refunded into EE)?

GA bonuses
[] [GA1] Gain new land management tech (-5 Econ, -5 Tech)
[] [GA1] Gain a random top tier mine (-7 Econ)
[] [GA1] Forestry explosion (-5 Econ, -5 EE, +5 Sustainable Forest)
[] [GA1] Black soil overdrive (-10 Econ, +5 EE, gain one use of the Terraform action)
[] [GA1] Materials tech upgrade (-10 Tech)
[] [GA1] Nothing (cannot take with GA2 'Nothing')

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Likewise, will all of these innovations refund EE based on our true cities?

Megaproject Completed
Astrological Observatory
A great place to study the stars, record their motions, and record the importance of astrological alignments, the observatory provides an astrological prediction at the start of every turn and modifies the Study Stars action. It also allows the construction of observatories at certain locations.

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Shouldn't we have an observatory project available for Horse Valley?

Also, did we get any innovations from any of these actions:

[Sec] Study Alchemy,

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Art Patronage

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Heaven's Hawk – [Main] Support Artisans
Txolla – [Main] Build Vineyard, [Sec] Support Artisans

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Edit: And did canal apply for the place to the stars?

edit 2: And why didn't western wall finish their governor's palace?

 

[Raichu1972]

[] [MP] Upgrade a random Social or Spiritual value
This seems like a good thing to have, especially if we unlock Love of Wisdom at the same time.

[] [Drought] Support everyone (Transfers 9 Econ to landed subordinates, -6 Econ, +4 Temp Econ damage from drought, neighbours you have access to are intensely grateful, ???)
We have the econ to spare. no reason not to be stingy.

[] [Trelli] Support rebelling slaves (Declares war on Trelli, strait unlikely to open in time to ship food through, priests pleased, ???)
Let's do the right thing, and the slaves will likely be grateful to us, as well as us likely annexing the Trelli.

[] [GA1] Gain new land management tech (-5 Econ, -5 Tech)
The best option, our greatest advantage is Land management.

[] [GA2] Unlock Love of Wisdom for further upgrades (-10 Mysticism)
We might get luck with this and the MP upgrade to upgrade LoW straight away.

 

[ETA50M]

So many roads we need to max out my god, 11/26! So much unfettered corruption and heresy occuring in those isolated settlements. Also super glad the infra policy started on that GP in Blackmouth.

 

[George]

can we have some idea of what the terraform action does?

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Isn't it kinda self explanatory? It upgrades how good the terrain is considered to be for farming.

[] [MP] Upgrade a random Social or Spiritual value
This seems like a good thing to have, especially if we unlock Love of Wisdom at the same time.

[] [Drought] Support everyone (Transfers 9 Econ to landed subordinates, -6 Econ, +4 Temp Econ damage from drought, neighbours you have access to are intensely grateful, ???)
We have the econ to spare. no reason not to be stingy.

[] [Trelli] Support rebelling slaves (Declares war on Trelli, strait unlikely to open in time to ship food through, priests pleased, ???)
Let's do the right thing, and the slaves will likely be grateful to us, as well as us likely annexing the Trelli.

[] [GA1] Gain new land management tech (-5 Econ, -5 Tech)
The best option, our greatest advantage is Land management.

[] [GA2] Unlock Love of Wisdom for further upgrades (-10 Mysticism)
We might get luck with this and the MP upgrade to upgrade LoW straight away.

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The reason to be stingy is that we can't actually get the support to everyone if we support the slaves, so we'd be forcing a polity into a war against someone who's better fed.

 

[Lydia]

[X] [MP] Upgrade a random Social or Spiritual value
[X] [Drought] Reinforce the periphery (Transfers 9 Econ to landed subordinates, +2 Temp Econ damage from drought)
[X] [Drought] Support everyone (Transfers 9 Econ to landed subordinates, -6 Econ, +4 Temp Econ damage from drought, neighbours you have access to are intensely grateful, ???)
[X] [Trelli] Support rebelling slaves (Declares war on Trelli, strait unlikely to open in time to ship food through, priests pleased, ???)
[X] [GA1] Gain new land management tech (-5 Econ, -5 Tech)
[X] [GA2] Unlock Love of Wisdom for further upgrades (-10 Mysticism)

 

[godofsmallthings]

[X] [MP] Upgrade a random Social or Spiritual value
[X] [Drought] Reinforce the periphery (Transfers 9 Econ to landed subordinates, +2 Temp Econ damage from drought)
[X] [Trelli] Support rebelling slaves (Declares war on Trelli, strait unlikely to open in time to ship food through, priests pleased, ???)
[X] [GA1] Gain new land management tech (-5 Econ, -5 Tech)
[X] [GA2] Unlock Love of Wisdom for further upgrades (-10 Mysticism)

 

[Andres]

Holy shit our stats. Only Martial isn't at cap.

 

[drake_azathoth]

...We currently have no safe way to reduce religious authority, and it seems like there are a lot of options being pushed to increase it. Probably would be a good idea to increase tolerance for religious authority before things get dangerous.

 

[Nianque]

[X] [MP] Upgrade a random Social or Spiritual value
[X] [Drought] Reinforce the periphery (Transfers 9 Econ to landed subordinates, +2 Temp Econ damage from drought)
[X] [Trelli] Support rebelling slaves (Declares war on Trelli, strait unlikely to open in time to ship food through, priests pleased, ???)
[X] [GA1] Materials tech upgrade (-10 Tech)
[X] [GA2] Unlock Love of Wisdom for further upgrades (-10 Mysticism)

 

[Klaus]

[X] [Trelli] Stay out of it
[X] [Drought] Reinforce the periphery (Transfers 9 Econ to landed subordinates, +2 Temp Econ damage from drought)
[X] [GA2] Increase Religious Authority tolerance by 1 (-5 Mysticism)

 

[Hangwind]

This is our moment of truth. Are we still Ymaryn? Do we still share our food when we might not have enough? Or do we let our neighbors suffer while we hoard?

No, I say. We are the Lifebringers. We are the crow that feeds. Why should we go to war for some things when we can make friends and gain all the things? For the Crow, the Devourer that Feeds, we will be Generous!

JOIN ME BROTHERS, THIS IS OUR DAY OF HONORABLE GLORY! THIS IS THE TIME OF OUR CALLING! OUR CHARITY SHALL ENCOMPASS THE EARTH! THIS IS THE CORN WHICH WILL PEIRCE THE HEAVENS!

 

[George]

...We currently have no safe way to reduce religious authority, and it seems like there are a lot of options being pushed to increase it. Probably would be a good idea to increase tolerance for religious authority before things get dangerous.

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It's certainly valuable, but it's got some fierce competition.

This is our moment of truth. Are we still Ymaryn? Do we still share our food when we might not have enough? Or do we let our neighbors suffer while we hoard?

No, I say. We are the Lifebringers. We are the crow that feeds. Why should we go to war for some things when we can make friends and gain all the things? For the Crow, the Devourer that Feeds, we will be Generous!

JOIN ME BROTHERS, THIS IS OUR DAY OF HONORABLE GLORY! THIS IS THE TIME OF OUR CALLING! OUR CHARITY SHALL ENCOMPASS THE EARTH! THIS IS THE CORN WHICH WILL PEIRCE THE HEAVENS!

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So you want to either not support the slaves or force the people we can't get to to war with people we're giving food to rather than having an even playing field?

 

[notgreat]

[X] [MP] Upgrade a random Social or Spiritual value
[X] [Drought] Reinforce the periphery (Transfers 9 Econ to landed subordinates, +2 Temp Econ damage from drought)
[X] [Trelli] Attack Trelli directly (Opens up strait if successful, slaves likely crushed by local nobles, ???)
[X] [GA1] Gain new land management tech (-5 Econ, -5 Tech)
[X] [GA2] Increase Religious Authority tolerance by 1 (-5 Mysticism)

MP- value upgrades are awesome.
Drought - I want to support everyone, but 19 econ damage is a too much. (9+6+4)
Trelli - That's a really important strategic location. We can win this with them taking the damage from the drought.
GA1 - Taking 11 econ loss from my [Drought] pick so I only have 7 econ to work with. The 2x forestry policy will easily be enough to keep our forests growing fast
GA2 - We refund 2 Mysticism and we need the tolerance to complete the quest

[Policy] Forestry x2

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Huh. This is really strange. I'm really wondering as to why he did this, we're now getting +1.5 forests/turn which seems a ton more than we'd ever reasonably need.

 

[maximillian]

[X] [MP] Free temple at Star Mirror

A temple is always good, and this provides the people to actually do the studies at the site.

[X] [MP] Upgrade a random Social or Spiritual value

Upgrading is damn difficult and rare, we should grab at whenever possible.

[X] [MP] Gain a new Spiritual Value slot

New slot are like myths, that's how bloody rare they are.





[X] [Drought] Reinforce the periphery (Transfers 9 Econ to landed subordinates, +2 Temp Econ damage from drought)

Ensures both the loyalty and gratitude of our subordinates, furthermore the damage to our neighbours would allows us to absorb tremendous amounts of refugees, enough to kill or absorb the HK, unaffiliated states and possibly merge the metal workers into out colony.
Its a damn perfect action.



[X] [Trelli] Support rebelling slaves (Declares war on Trelli, strait unlikely to open in time to ship food through, priests pleased, ???)

This will mesh quite well with our values, please two factions, and thoroughly subdue the trelli for quite a while. And the newly liberated slave states would make excellent additions to our neighbouring colony. Perfectly synergieses with the Econ damage and potential Refugees from drought.


[X] [GA1] Gain new land management tech (-5 Econ, -5 Tech)

This is vital, management is not glamorous, but on it do empires rise and fall. This is simply vital.


[X] [GA1] Forestry explosion (-5 Econ, -5 EE, +5 Sustainable Forest)

Well, it gives us an excuse to switch policies...

[X] [GA1] Black soil overdrive (-10 Econ, +5 EE, gain one use of the Terraform action)

Terraforming the red hills should be quite a feat.


[X] [GA2] Gain a new Spiritual Value slot (-10 Mysticism)

Again slots are bloody rare. And the more slots we have, the more value we can link, develop and synergies.

 

[Spectrum]

[X] [MP] Upgrade a random Social or Spiritual value
[X] [Drought] Reinforce the periphery (Transfers 9 Econ to landed subordinates, +2 Temp Econ damage from drought)
[X] [Trelli] Stay out of it
[X] [GA1] Gain new land management tech (-5 Econ, -5 Tech)
[X] [GA2] Materials tech upgrade (-5 Tech, -5 Mysticism)

Reinforce only the periphery because fuck our neighbors, let them break under the strain and be absorbed. Plus I don't want to spend all the econ there because I want the land management tech instead of going double materials tech.

Not the right time to hit the Trelli even if there is an opportunity there because of the drought timing. Stay home, don't start trouble.

 

[Reader of all]

[x] [Drought] Support everyone (Transfers 9 Econ to landed subordinates, -6 Econ, +4 Temp Econ damage from drought, neighbours you have access to are intensely grateful, ???)

Everyone must be warned everyone plus we can tank the econ hit quite well so let us be generous.