With blackjack and hookers!.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
Eh, you convinced me. We're a heavy trading nation without social support for it. Bad plan.
[X] [Pox] Yes (Khemetri gain knowledge of how to do the Sacred Warding, the People gain Predictive Astrology)
[X] [Iron] Open up the market for the metal
[X] [Iron] Allow finished goods to be traded
[X] [PiA] Trelli (Probably trade related)
[X] [PDN] Majorly push forward forests (Main Expand Forests, -2 Centralization)
[X] [React] Reorganize army and hunt deserters (Found Mercenary Company + Sailing Mission (anti-pirate))
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BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
- Pronouns
- She/Her
That'd be nice. Means we can go thwack the Trelli for their chattel slavery and the disgust in a small corner of my dead heart can be expressed.
That shit is memetic badness yo.
- Location
- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
Just as has been noted in several omakes. The Battle of Bloodvalley will make a fine "official" date separating Bronze and Iron Age in the region.
- Location
- United States
I'm thinking that it might be a cb on any nation that we took refugees from, considering that we now see outsider as people in need of assistance, we might be able for forcefully "assist" nations after we take in a certain amount of refugees.
- Location
- Huezil
[X] [Pox] Yes (Khemetri gain knowledge of how to do the Sacred Warding, the People gain Predictive Astrology)
[X] [Iron] Allow finished goods to be traded
[X] [PiA] Highlanders (Probably In Service to Order)
[X] [PDN] Majorly push forward forests (Main Expand Forests, -2 Centralization)
[X] [React] Reorganize army and hunt deserters (Found Mercenary Company + Sailing Mission (anti-pirate))
[X] [Iron] Allow finished goods to be traded
[X] [PiA] Highlanders (Probably In Service to Order)
[X] [PDN] Majorly push forward forests (Main Expand Forests, -2 Centralization)
[X] [React] Reorganize army and hunt deserters (Found Mercenary Company + Sailing Mission (anti-pirate))
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
It just might put us into a very dangerous position, like seeing evil everywhere; without and within. I'm up for it if you are.
Reminder that the last Trade Value we got had a "Maintain Dominance, lose Stability or enter a Trade War".
The Trade Value is bad long term, because as transport technology improves and we expand we might well be forced into a trade war with the Khemetri over Iron dominance. They have the facilities to catch up quickly.
Ironically not true. Catamarans and Trimarans could be built quite a bit larger than single hulls due to spreading out the strain. The ancient superhuge vanity ships were catamarans.
Size was really good for raw cargo capacity.
Remember again, social values are reinterpreted based on your specific culture. In Service to Order under Divine Stewards, Symphony and Greater Justice means different things from In Service to Order under Divine Right of Kings.
Also the fun part is that Ymaryn iron goods are of significant quality gap, so melting them down to make shittier versions is going to face significant pushback.
But they would not consider bringing up a competition which the Khemetri could not possibly compete in to be polite?
A few things:
-It's the natural trade nexus for the North, occupying the same role as Redshore.
-It's the location offered for Governor's Palace, and a future Place to the Stars.
-When people talk about coastal settlements of the Ymaryn, they only mention Blackmouth and Redshore.
It's on it's way there by virtue of strategic position.
We only noticed the Blight once we Managed every single forest near our settlements though? Based on the text, the reason we could identify the blight as a bigger problem was our experience and extent of forestry.
Because I derped in remembering the number of settlements and roads x.x
Maybe? Either way, starting to export iron would probably fix that fast.
Concho117
Going really fast!
- Location
- Somewhere in Orbit
Hey @Academia Nut is Xohyr considered rebuilt? If so then I need to update the icon on the map.
[X] [Pox] Yes (Khemetri gain knowledge of how to do the Sacred Warding, the People gain Predictive Astrology)
[X] [Iron] Allow finished goods to be traded
[X] [PiA] Highlanders (Probably In Service to Order)
[X] [PiA] Trelli (Probably trade related)
[X] [PDN] Majorly push forward forests (Main Expand Forests, -2 Centralization)
[X] [React] Reorganize army and hunt deserters (Found Mercenary Company + Sailing Mission (anti-pirate))
[X] [Iron] Allow finished goods to be traded
[X] [PiA] Highlanders (Probably In Service to Order)
[X] [PiA] Trelli (Probably trade related)
[X] [PDN] Majorly push forward forests (Main Expand Forests, -2 Centralization)
[X] [React] Reorganize army and hunt deserters (Found Mercenary Company + Sailing Mission (anti-pirate))
I think we should definitely do the enforce justice action.
First of all, as others have stated, this is what we elected our king for. Parts of our society are starting to rot from the inside - we need to clean it our, and a Heroic King is the best time to do so.
Second, we will be getting back Stability that we can absolutely use. If we get 2 stability (which seems likely given the Heroic King), it puts us one point away from a Golden Age - and arguably a quadruple (Mysticism + Culture + Econ + Martial) Golden Age at that. What wonders we could make... .But even aside from that, we KNOW that low stability contributes to shit like the pirates and unrest and easy disruption and so on. We've been assuming that the Highlanders are responsible for sowing chaos in our lands; if so, I can only expect them to ramp it up as a last ditch effort once we invade. I'd REALLY prefer to have some buffer just in case.
Third, we get Centralization, which for ones is a good thing. After maining forests, we will be at 2 Cent - and that is really low for us. Not only does that mean -1 Disaster Protection, but it leaves us unable to integrate provinces or use our new Personal Stewards. We aren't going to have time to Main Trails or the like next turn, so by midturn that would leave us without the ability to take our Personal Stewards responses. Since we've had options of spending up to 4 Cent at a time, being as low as we are leaves me distinctly uncomfortable.
First of all, as others have stated, this is what we elected our king for. Parts of our society are starting to rot from the inside - we need to clean it our, and a Heroic King is the best time to do so.
Second, we will be getting back Stability that we can absolutely use. If we get 2 stability (which seems likely given the Heroic King), it puts us one point away from a Golden Age - and arguably a quadruple (Mysticism + Culture + Econ + Martial) Golden Age at that. What wonders we could make... .But even aside from that, we KNOW that low stability contributes to shit like the pirates and unrest and easy disruption and so on. We've been assuming that the Highlanders are responsible for sowing chaos in our lands; if so, I can only expect them to ramp it up as a last ditch effort once we invade. I'd REALLY prefer to have some buffer just in case.
Third, we get Centralization, which for ones is a good thing. After maining forests, we will be at 2 Cent - and that is really low for us. Not only does that mean -1 Disaster Protection, but it leaves us unable to integrate provinces or use our new Personal Stewards. We aren't going to have time to Main Trails or the like next turn, so by midturn that would leave us without the ability to take our Personal Stewards responses. Since we've had options of spending up to 4 Cent at a time, being as low as we are leaves me distinctly uncomfortable.
...Is this a thing? People RP'ing in this thread?
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
- Pronouns
- She/Her
After a fashion. It's all jokes though for when we get bored.
- Location
- Canada
Isn't he the heir currently? Better to just let him do it when he takes over the turn along with a restore order.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
Want to sign a contract? It's all fun and games! ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Concho117
Going really fast!
- Location
- Somewhere in Orbit
Current Political Parties:
Big Four:
The Flock.
Neo-Feudalism. (Maximillian)
The Ymaryn Democratic Socialists.
Democratic Socialism. (Concho117)
The Goblet.
Centrist. (BungieONI)
The Gloved Gauntlet.
Pragmatism. (Umi-san)
Others:
The Oportunistick Monarchists.
Monarchist. (TheDanishLord)
The Ymaryn Traditional Idealists Party.
Traditionalist. (Andres110)
The Main Party.
Internal Reformist. (bluefur87)
The Bungie Party.
Centrist. (BungieONI)
The Abnormal Party.
Anarchist. (Abby Normal)
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Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
Because of their invitation to the Games, the Khemetri know of the Sacred Warding. Share the knowledge with them?
[X] [Pox] Yes (Khemetri gain knowledge of how to do the Sacred Warding, the People gain Predictive Astrology)
[X] [Pox] Yes (Khemetri gain knowledge of how to do the Sacred Warding, the People gain Predictive Astrology)
5 bucks says there's a sudden demand for very thick iron tables.
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Given the fluff in the update about the People being influenced by the Metal Workers and Swamp Folk in the Games to intercede in their wars:
"At that Hertythyn grunted in dissatisfaction. That was probably going to cause issues in the future. Nothing quite like having attractive youths coming over to talk with your elites about sob stories from home to whip up sentiment to do something. Hopefully it wouldn't be his problem though. Wars were a stupid way to sort things out. They just made messes that poor clerks had to go and clean up afterwards."
I think it might be CBs to defend/help participants of the Games...and/or maybe a temporary one after taking in (war specifically?) refugees on the nation that caused those refugees (again, maybe only for war losses), since either way we've got foreigners coming in with stories of woe of terrible wars (or maybe only defensive wars).
...Though that does make me wonder why the Swamp Folk haven't asked to hire the Red Banner company... iirc with the Metal Workers it would've led to the Storm Wolves attacking us as well due to not caring about the difference between us and our mercs, but surely the swamp folk know of their skill? @Academia Nut ?
Wait, how does it leave us one point from a Golden age? We already have 2 maxed scores? ...Though i can't remember how immediate the golden age is...
Edit: Ignore me, i checked an out of date civ sheet diffchcker and thought we had 1 stab.
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Exactly this. The pirates are a symptom of a problem, so why are we addressing that instead? We can take the wealth hits for a bit. Yes, there is the chance they can cause a ruckus with the foreign powers that come via sea, but corruption within our society is just as capable of causing issues, and that's before you factor in the chance that this is in fact a Highlander plot. Causing a diplomatic incident and letting this come crashing down on us is in their best interest.
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- Location
- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
So we can now freedomize countries?
"Ymarrin! Fuck yeah!"
1) Honour values stink, and a spiritual value from a religion with a god king stinks. That only leaves Trelli and HK to start with.
2) As has been discussed, there might be trouble with HK's value as well. What we want is Justice and Symphony, rather than order. "Order" may mean simply what causes the least trouble/ruckus at the moment, or what deals with "uppity" people.
3) And we are really socially under-developed when it comes to trade. This is a bad thing. We should want to encourage trade in order to gain more wealth and resources for us.
OTOH, so far Trelli didn't engage in a war with us, even when they had a really great chance to do so, so Trelli trade values may be more peaceful.