Quest
The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
Five. We have an extra infrastructure policy due to Iron Age Law that isn't doubled.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Or mentioned on the policy screen.
Bleh.
Anyway yeah that should mean that with 2 progress left on Redshore depending on what happens with the remaining three progress it's likely Redhill will finish too based on the apparent need.
- Location
- Hell
...posing?
And what's with the Hungarian subs??
I imagine some chariot racing actually. That seems the sort of thing they would be proud of.
Yes, but what sort of things do you think would be involved?
Most everyone thinks the Khemetri will be involved, but what sort of things will take part as events?
Stability raising is usually an option. Opens up a path to Golden Age.
Though I am holding out for more Trails. We are in deep need of trails.
Aquaduct finishes this turn without doing anything.
- Location
- Austria
No, it was the time we had the option to gobble parts of them via LoO trigger. We definitely had it at least once, maybe more.
Let me dig up the vote, it was a while ago, so my memory aint clear on details.
Yay, people like my posts
Also, see below.
This is somewhat tangential, but it implies to me that we can absorb external polities via diplomancy:
For example, if I remember correctly, if we had chosen to transform Greenvalley into colony earlier and made more diplomancy towards Metalworkers, we could have annexed them - it came up in discussion of nomads acquiring iron from them.
Now, onto specific way we could have eaten HK:
This means we could have collapsed them via Econ sucking:
This is the exact vote in question: we could have absorbed their whole villages; which, combined with the next quote, the implication of collapse-via-sucking and example of Hathatyn, would have a good chance of spiraling into gobbling up them all.
To be fair, I do not know how much was "critical Stability hit", so...
- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
I like how people are talking about things that happened hundred's of years ago suddenly mean the same things could happen now...
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
Remember the past, lest history repeat itself.
More fun and games
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X][Mega] Upgrade Best of the Best to Life of Arete
[X][Main] International Games
[X][Secondary] New Trails
[X][Secondary] Change Policy - Megaproject Support
[X][Guild] Grand Docks
Provinces – [Main] International Games, [Main] Grand Docks x2
Policies – Redshore Aqueduct (6/6), Redhills Aqueduct (3/3) Significant Walls (15/45 Significant Walls)
Western – [Main] Build Iron Mine, [Main] Survey
Greenshore – [Sec] Build Walls, [Sec] New Settlement
Gulvalley – [Sec] Expand Econ, [Sec] Raise Army
Heaven's Hawk – [Main] War Mission – Northern Nomads
Txolla – [Main] Expand Econ, [Sec] Raise Army
Tinriver – [Sec] Build Mills, [Sec] Expand Econ
"Lord Djebipt, Master of All, the Sun Made Flesh, He Who Makes the Waters Flow, wishes for you to repeat your explanation of your request, Delegate from the Ymaryn King," the translator passed on to the most recent delegation from that distant but powerful land to come to his kingdom.
"In recent years we have been holding contests across our kingdom where the most skilled come to compete and demonstrate who all is the greatest at various skills - archery, running, wrestling, javelin throwing, various physical games we play - with the winners being recognized as being the greatest at that particular task and among the finest among us, at least until the next contest. In efforts to promote understanding between kingdoms, we wish to extend to you an invitation to send your own competitors. We are of the opinion that your own youths would be able to make a strong showing in the competitions if you chose to send any over," the delegate explained.
Reshemhetari leaned forward on his throne and then glanced over at his eldest sons, who were just past their adulthood and obviously had received extensive warrior training. There was some unspoken dialogue between them before the king made his proclamation, passed along as, "The Lord Djebipt accepts your offer and commands that his second son and a selection of the finest warriors of the land accompany you back to your home, both as guards and as competitors."
The delegates were quite pleased at this news. The crown prince was obviously not something they could expect to get on the first attempt, but the second in line to the throne was as best as they could possibly expect.
Several months later as their ship was within sight of Redshore, the delegates had only one thing to say.
"It's... uhh... it's not supposed to be on fire?"
Wonder Completed!
The Games -> International Games - An organized series of athletic events and mock battles to maintain fighting trim and vent the aggression of less composed warriors, this also helps foster friendly rather than destructive rivalry between major settlements and kingdoms, bringing significant glory to all. Increases Martial Tolerance by 3 for participants and by an additional 2 for the host, gives +1 Culture for every 2 True Cities within a kingdom, gives +1 Diplomacy a turn for the host for every other participant, gives a pool of Prestige equal to the number of participants that is divided among the participants each turn depending on their performance, and the host kingdom gains Culture whenever another kingdom in contact with them completes The Games megaproject.
Best of the Best -> Life of Arete
A well lead life is one of excellence in all things, from the stitch of cloth to prowess on the battlefield to skill in oration. The best and finest is thus demanded of and by all to show their virtue and honour.
Pros: Increase Martial gain from raising elite units; bonus Culture, Tech and/or Mysticism for certain actions; effect of criticals and doubles greatly increased
Cons: Increased potential Martial loss in fighting, increased social stratification, increased costs
Choose a Wonder Bonus
[] [WB] Gain a free random value slot
[] [WB] Randomly upgrade a value
[] [WB] Upgrade Cosmopolitan Acceptance
[] [WB] Gain a free Gymnasium in Redshore
[] [WB] Gain a free Temple at Holy Sea
Choose Who to Invite (Great Powers Participating, no cost to extend invitation), choose as many as desired
[] [Inv] Highland Kingdom
[] [Inv] Trelli
[] [Inv] Thunder Horse
[] [Inv] Swamp Folk
[] [Inv] Metal Workers
[] [Inv] Storm Wolves
"So... what happened?" Hertythyn asked the investigatory council about the 'incident' at Redshore just before the games were to commence. The various figures under him would give their reports and then he could pass it along to the king.
"The city grew too fast for its own good," the first investigator reported. "With all the construction at the docks, all the activity from the games, all the trade flowing in and out... it just grew too fast and people started cutting corners on construction standards."
"I agree, but that was only half of it," a second investigator chimed in. "The games attracted many young men seeking glory, and all the construction had them stick around as labourers when that more often than not didn't quite pan out. Witnesses agree that the fire started after the initial riot, and the riot merely exacerbated the fire by interfering with the formation of a bucket chain."
Everyone glanced at the third man, who groused, "The riot was part of a larger pattern and problem, namely that there are criminal elements operating within our society that we need to crack down on. Redshore has simply become one of the places that they base from. Piracy is growing far worse and is taking a bite out of legitimate trade, as well as nipping at the Trelli colony and increasing tensions with them."
Hertythyn nodded at that and said, "There have been requests for Redshore to have more freedom in dealing with some of its issues?"
"There have, although we think that some of them may grow worse," the first investigator reported.
"Or perhaps the Shadow King will reveal himself if he is allowed to have the city as his personal fief in law as well as fact," the third man said, half-sarcastically and half out of paranoia.
"There are certainly administrative issues at play either way," Hertythyn said, waving the longstanding argument away.
Make Redshore a free city?
[] Yes (2 Econ and 2 Econ expansion transferred, Redshore becomes a Free City)
[] No
"One wonders at the upcoming election," the third investigator asked, eliciting grumbles from the rest. King and council had called for a new election to become heir, and many of the current crop of candidates had issues. Most of the field were... not particularly good, with the best and most likely among them rather mediocre all around. The one semi-serious competitor was the beloved war hero Yenyna, but the phrase "obvious puppet" could apply no better, and most who knew her knew that she was enjoying living in comfort with her husband away from loud noises and stressful situations. Weirdly, while those cawing for war with the Highlanders for their past treachery the moment the treaty with them expired were often interested in having her lead the armies, many were actually split on the issue. She was a damaged hero who deserved her rest, even if she would also be of great use in leading their armies onward to victory.
Finally, his own subordinates were pushing for Hertythyn himself to run. Everyone knew that he would do a good job and could win fairly easily, what with knowing where all the bodies were buried - figuratively and literally - but he had enough hassles implementing policy rather than coming up with it. Of course, if duty weren't everything to him he would have found a way to embezzle large amounts of money and retire to one of the finer brothels in Redshore or Blackmouth long ago. Some of the older families also wouldn't like him being king, seeing him as having risen from an unimportant house far too quickly, but he knew the right people to talk to to get Reshemhetari to send up one of his older daughters to secure his legitimacy on that front.
The next king would be
[] [King] Kinda mediocre (Mediocre Admin, Diplo, and Martial)
[] [King] Yenyna (Genius Martial, Poor Admin, Awful Diplomacy, Wildcard Mystic; dangerously unpredictable)
[] [King] Hertythn (Heroic Admin, Average Diplo, Poor Martial; takes control while alive (1, possibly 2 turns))
AN: I got distracted by things, so half-update now, half-update tomorrow. Apologies
[X][Main] International Games
[X][Secondary] New Trails
[X][Secondary] Change Policy - Megaproject Support
[X][Guild] Grand Docks
Provinces – [Main] International Games, [Main] Grand Docks x2
Policies – Redshore Aqueduct (6/6), Redhills Aqueduct (3/3) Significant Walls (15/45 Significant Walls)
Western – [Main] Build Iron Mine, [Main] Survey
Greenshore – [Sec] Build Walls, [Sec] New Settlement
Gulvalley – [Sec] Expand Econ, [Sec] Raise Army
Heaven's Hawk – [Main] War Mission – Northern Nomads
Txolla – [Main] Expand Econ, [Sec] Raise Army
Tinriver – [Sec] Build Mills, [Sec] Expand Econ
"Lord Djebipt, Master of All, the Sun Made Flesh, He Who Makes the Waters Flow, wishes for you to repeat your explanation of your request, Delegate from the Ymaryn King," the translator passed on to the most recent delegation from that distant but powerful land to come to his kingdom.
"In recent years we have been holding contests across our kingdom where the most skilled come to compete and demonstrate who all is the greatest at various skills - archery, running, wrestling, javelin throwing, various physical games we play - with the winners being recognized as being the greatest at that particular task and among the finest among us, at least until the next contest. In efforts to promote understanding between kingdoms, we wish to extend to you an invitation to send your own competitors. We are of the opinion that your own youths would be able to make a strong showing in the competitions if you chose to send any over," the delegate explained.
Reshemhetari leaned forward on his throne and then glanced over at his eldest sons, who were just past their adulthood and obviously had received extensive warrior training. There was some unspoken dialogue between them before the king made his proclamation, passed along as, "The Lord Djebipt accepts your offer and commands that his second son and a selection of the finest warriors of the land accompany you back to your home, both as guards and as competitors."
The delegates were quite pleased at this news. The crown prince was obviously not something they could expect to get on the first attempt, but the second in line to the throne was as best as they could possibly expect.
Several months later as their ship was within sight of Redshore, the delegates had only one thing to say.
"It's... uhh... it's not supposed to be on fire?"
Wonder Completed!
The Games -> International Games - An organized series of athletic events and mock battles to maintain fighting trim and vent the aggression of less composed warriors, this also helps foster friendly rather than destructive rivalry between major settlements and kingdoms, bringing significant glory to all. Increases Martial Tolerance by 3 for participants and by an additional 2 for the host, gives +1 Culture for every 2 True Cities within a kingdom, gives +1 Diplomacy a turn for the host for every other participant, gives a pool of Prestige equal to the number of participants that is divided among the participants each turn depending on their performance, and the host kingdom gains Culture whenever another kingdom in contact with them completes The Games megaproject.
Best of the Best -> Life of Arete
A well lead life is one of excellence in all things, from the stitch of cloth to prowess on the battlefield to skill in oration. The best and finest is thus demanded of and by all to show their virtue and honour.
Pros: Increase Martial gain from raising elite units; bonus Culture, Tech and/or Mysticism for certain actions; effect of criticals and doubles greatly increased
Cons: Increased potential Martial loss in fighting, increased social stratification, increased costs
Choose a Wonder Bonus
[] [WB] Gain a free random value slot
[] [WB] Randomly upgrade a value
[] [WB] Upgrade Cosmopolitan Acceptance
[] [WB] Gain a free Gymnasium in Redshore
[] [WB] Gain a free Temple at Holy Sea
Choose Who to Invite (Great Powers Participating, no cost to extend invitation), choose as many as desired
[] [Inv] Highland Kingdom
[] [Inv] Trelli
[] [Inv] Thunder Horse
[] [Inv] Swamp Folk
[] [Inv] Metal Workers
[] [Inv] Storm Wolves
"So... what happened?" Hertythyn asked the investigatory council about the 'incident' at Redshore just before the games were to commence. The various figures under him would give their reports and then he could pass it along to the king.
"The city grew too fast for its own good," the first investigator reported. "With all the construction at the docks, all the activity from the games, all the trade flowing in and out... it just grew too fast and people started cutting corners on construction standards."
"I agree, but that was only half of it," a second investigator chimed in. "The games attracted many young men seeking glory, and all the construction had them stick around as labourers when that more often than not didn't quite pan out. Witnesses agree that the fire started after the initial riot, and the riot merely exacerbated the fire by interfering with the formation of a bucket chain."
Everyone glanced at the third man, who groused, "The riot was part of a larger pattern and problem, namely that there are criminal elements operating within our society that we need to crack down on. Redshore has simply become one of the places that they base from. Piracy is growing far worse and is taking a bite out of legitimate trade, as well as nipping at the Trelli colony and increasing tensions with them."
Hertythyn nodded at that and said, "There have been requests for Redshore to have more freedom in dealing with some of its issues?"
"There have, although we think that some of them may grow worse," the first investigator reported.
"Or perhaps the Shadow King will reveal himself if he is allowed to have the city as his personal fief in law as well as fact," the third man said, half-sarcastically and half out of paranoia.
"There are certainly administrative issues at play either way," Hertythyn said, waving the longstanding argument away.
Make Redshore a free city?
[] Yes (2 Econ and 2 Econ expansion transferred, Redshore becomes a Free City)
[] No
"One wonders at the upcoming election," the third investigator asked, eliciting grumbles from the rest. King and council had called for a new election to become heir, and many of the current crop of candidates had issues. Most of the field were... not particularly good, with the best and most likely among them rather mediocre all around. The one semi-serious competitor was the beloved war hero Yenyna, but the phrase "obvious puppet" could apply no better, and most who knew her knew that she was enjoying living in comfort with her husband away from loud noises and stressful situations. Weirdly, while those cawing for war with the Highlanders for their past treachery the moment the treaty with them expired were often interested in having her lead the armies, many were actually split on the issue. She was a damaged hero who deserved her rest, even if she would also be of great use in leading their armies onward to victory.
Finally, his own subordinates were pushing for Hertythyn himself to run. Everyone knew that he would do a good job and could win fairly easily, what with knowing where all the bodies were buried - figuratively and literally - but he had enough hassles implementing policy rather than coming up with it. Of course, if duty weren't everything to him he would have found a way to embezzle large amounts of money and retire to one of the finer brothels in Redshore or Blackmouth long ago. Some of the older families also wouldn't like him being king, seeing him as having risen from an unimportant house far too quickly, but he knew the right people to talk to to get Reshemhetari to send up one of his older daughters to secure his legitimacy on that front.
The next king would be
[] [King] Kinda mediocre (Mediocre Admin, Diplo, and Martial)
[] [King] Yenyna (Genius Martial, Poor Admin, Awful Diplomacy, Wildcard Mystic; dangerously unpredictable)
[] [King] Hertythn (Heroic Admin, Average Diplo, Poor Martial; takes control while alive (1, possibly 2 turns))
AN: I got distracted by things, so half-update now, half-update tomorrow. Apologies
- Location
- Staring into the void
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Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
[X] [WB] Upgrade Cosmopolitan Acceptance
[X] [Inv] Trelli
[X] [Inv] Thunder Horse
[X] [Inv] Swamp Folk
[X] [Inv] Metal Workers
[X] [Inv] Storm Wolves
[X] Yes (2 Econ and 2 Econ expansion transferred, Redshore becomes a Free City)
[X] [King] Yenyna (Genius Martial, Poor Admin, Awful Diplomacy, Wildcard Mystic; dangerously unpredictable)
FOR KING CRA- YENYNA
Highland dies next turn so no invite
[X] [Inv] Trelli
[X] [Inv] Thunder Horse
[X] [Inv] Swamp Folk
[X] [Inv] Metal Workers
[X] [Inv] Storm Wolves
[X] Yes (2 Econ and 2 Econ expansion transferred, Redshore becomes a Free City)
[X] [King] Yenyna (Genius Martial, Poor Admin, Awful Diplomacy, Wildcard Mystic; dangerously unpredictable)
FOR KING
Highland dies next turn so no invite
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- Location
- Austria
[X] [WB] Upgrade Cosmopolitan Acceptance
YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
[X] [Inv] Highland Kingdom
[X] [Inv] Trelli
[X] [Inv] Thunder Horse
[X] [Inv] Swamp Folk
[X] [Inv] Metal Workers
[X] [Inv] Storm Wolves
The fire is warm...and we gain bonus Diplomacy per turn.
[X] Yes (2 Econ and 2 Econ expansion transferred, Redshore becomes a Free City)
As good time to start experimenting with it as any.
[X] [King] Hertythn (Heroic Admin, Average Diplo, Poor Martial; takes control while alive (1, possibly 2 turns))
Heroic Admin has never wronged us in the past.
YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
[X] [Inv] Highland Kingdom
[X] [Inv] Trelli
[X] [Inv] Thunder Horse
[X] [Inv] Swamp Folk
[X] [Inv] Metal Workers
[X] [Inv] Storm Wolves
The fire is warm...and we gain bonus Diplomacy per turn.
[X] Yes (2 Econ and 2 Econ expansion transferred, Redshore becomes a Free City)
As good time to start experimenting with it as any.
[X] [King] Hertythn (Heroic Admin, Average Diplo, Poor Martial; takes control while alive (1, possibly 2 turns))
Heroic Admin has never wronged us in the past.
- Location
- Staring into the void
[X] [WB] Upgrade Cosmopolitan Acceptance
[X] [Inv] Highland Kingdom
[X] [Inv] Trelli
[X] [Inv] Thunder Horse
[X] [Inv] Swamp Folk
[X] [Inv] Metal Workers
[X] [Inv] Storm Wolves
[X] No
[X] [King] Hertythn (Heroic Admin, Average Diplo, Poor Martial; takes control while alive (1, possibly 2 turns))
[X] [Inv] Highland Kingdom
[X] [Inv] Trelli
[X] [Inv] Thunder Horse
[X] [Inv] Swamp Folk
[X] [Inv] Metal Workers
[X] [Inv] Storm Wolves
[X] No
[X] [King] Hertythn (Heroic Admin, Average Diplo, Poor Martial; takes control while alive (1, possibly 2 turns))
keenscythe
No longer NEET
- Location
- WA, USA
[X] [WB] Upgrade Cosmopolitan Acceptance
[X] [Inv] Trelli
[X] [Inv] Thunder Horse
[X] [Inv] Swamp Folk
[X] [Inv] Metal Workers
[X] [Inv] Storm Wolves
[X] No
[X] [King] Kinda mediocre (Mediocre Admin, Diplo, and Martial)
Yeah, I know my invite list will be a "subtle" message to the HK, and not going for the Hero Admin? Crazy right? but there is no guarantee Hertythn will go to war to avenge the treachery especially with his poor martial.
[X] [Inv] Trelli
[X] [Inv] Thunder Horse
[X] [Inv] Swamp Folk
[X] [Inv] Metal Workers
[X] [Inv] Storm Wolves
[X] No
[X] [King] Kinda mediocre (Mediocre Admin, Diplo, and Martial)
Yeah, I know my invite list will be a "subtle" message to the HK, and not going for the Hero Admin? Crazy right? but there is no guarantee Hertythn will go to war to avenge the treachery especially with his poor martial.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Huh.
That's weird to say the least.
Glad the games are still going.
I will predict now that CA will be taken. Because Duh.
- Location
- Canada
[X] [WB] Upgrade Cosmopolitan Acceptance
We may lose Wildcat if we upgrade CA.
[X] [WB] Gain a free Temple at Holy Sea
So going with the Templeto help get ahead if our underlying religious tension if our main artery of transport and interconnection helps dispere the ideas of both templea.
[X] [Inv] Trelli
[X] [Inv] Thunder Horse
[X] [Inv] Swamp Folk
[X] [Inv] Metal Workers
[X] [Inv] Storm Wolves
Everyone important.
[X] Yes (2 Econ and 2 Econ expansion transferred, Redshore becomes a Free City)
Can't react fast enough to the movings and dealings of Redshore properly.
[X] [King] Hertythn (Heroic Admin, Average Diplo, Poor Martial; takes control while alive (1, possibly 2 turns))
Can never go wrong with a heroic admin especially if it boosts meritocracy.
We may lose Wildcat if we upgrade CA.
[X] [WB] Gain a free Temple at Holy Sea
So going with the Templeto help get ahead if our underlying religious tension if our main artery of transport and interconnection helps dispere the ideas of both templea.
[X] [Inv] Trelli
[X] [Inv] Thunder Horse
[X] [Inv] Swamp Folk
[X] [Inv] Metal Workers
[X] [Inv] Storm Wolves
Everyone important.
[X] Yes (2 Econ and 2 Econ expansion transferred, Redshore becomes a Free City)
Can't react fast enough to the movings and dealings of Redshore properly.
[X] [King] Hertythn (Heroic Admin, Average Diplo, Poor Martial; takes control while alive (1, possibly 2 turns))
Can never go wrong with a heroic admin especially if it boosts meritocracy.
keenscythe
No longer NEET
- Location
- WA, USA
I lost track, would the upgrade cause CA to tie with Divine Stewards in tier or surpass it?
- Location
- his hidden lair
Upgrading Cosmopolitan Acceptance seems like a good idea, and while I'm not sure of the mechanical impact of these riots- Redshore as a free city was always supposed to be the plan.
@Academia Nut, considering I imagine it would be a matter of somewhat open policy for his election, would Herthyn be prosecuting the war against the Highland Kingdoms?
@Academia Nut, considering I imagine it would be a matter of somewhat open policy for his election, would Herthyn be prosecuting the war against the Highland Kingdoms?
- Location
- Austria
Good lord they are fast. Infrastructure policy oh my.
@Academia Nut , for the sake of completeness (no, I am still voting for CA), what is Gymnasium in this quest?
Also, remember what you were saying about JackieChanFacing if thread declines to invite HK when given opportunity to be the best Ymaryn we can be and channeling our inner UFP?
Well... *shrug*, let's see.
- Location
- Hell
@Academia Nut not that there is any doubt of Cosmopolitan Acceptance winning, but what does the Gymnasium do?
- Location
- Sweden
[X] [WB] Upgrade Cosmopolitan Acceptance
[X] [Inv] Trelli
[X] [Inv] Swamp Folk
[X] [Inv] Metal Workers
[X] [Inv] Storm Wolves
[X] No
[X] [King] Hertythn (Heroic Admin, Average Diplo, Poor Martial; takes control while alive (1, possibly 2 turns))
[X] [Inv] Trelli
[X] [Inv] Swamp Folk
[X] [Inv] Metal Workers
[X] [Inv] Storm Wolves
[X] No
[X] [King] Hertythn (Heroic Admin, Average Diplo, Poor Martial; takes control while alive (1, possibly 2 turns))
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10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
- Location
- Present
Yeah
Before everyone jumps on the bandwagon, remember that Cosmopolitan Acceptance got changed. It now inflicts temp Econ damage every time we take refugees. The last CA tree upgrade forced us to take more refugees. If that trend continues, it could very well be dangerous.
Before everyone jumps on the bandwagon, remember that Cosmopolitan Acceptance got changed. It now inflicts temp Econ damage every time we take refugees. The last CA tree upgrade forced us to take more refugees. If that trend continues, it could very well be dangerous.