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veekie said:
Question on Sacred Warriors, were they something we got early from Sacred War? I suspect now that we built a temple we actually have the social and religious infrastructure to develop new sacred warriors again, while the earlier verson was the trait pushing us up a tier.
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Yes, although without the trait your options will be much more limited.

Umi-san said:
Are we putting the vines in rows or clusters?
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Probably rows.

Also, as a general thing, I have realized that this is something of a common idea of how and why Crow does what he does:

 
Andres110 said:
what's the narrative reason for why we can't do Grand Sacrifice any more? It wasn't so long since the last one that the idea should've been forgotten from our people's memory.
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The idea of simply sacrificing to the spirits and gods in bigger amounts drifted out of the cultural zeitgeist as something that would reassure people. They think that more sophisticated actions are required in order to be made confident that their leaders are doing their best.
 
Academia Nut said:
Yes, although without the trait your options will be much more limited.



Probably rows.

Also, as a general thing, I have realized that this is something of a common idea of how and why Crow does what he does:

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Ah.

"And because it's Fuckin FUN! AAAAAAMEN!"

I love Anderson.

And I love Crow even more now. You go Crow. You keep doing your thing.
 
Hangwind said:
I want Ceiling!Crow. Given enough time, Crow would almost certainly come to represent the challenges and rewards of space.
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While true I also think making a direct representation to him in the temple will also foster that kind of thinking, when coupled with making him Alien but Knowable.

E: Though I am sure this is not going to be relevant either way for quite some time since we have a very long way to go.
 
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Academia Nut said:
The idea of simply sacrificing to the spirits and gods in bigger amounts drifted out of the cultural zeitgeist as something that would reassure people. They think that more sophisticated actions are required in order to be made confident that their leaders are doing their best.
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Now that we've "failed" at it, can you confirm if rolling so that we picked up GG again from CA right after combining it with all 3 of our regular social values would have done anything special?
 
NotAlwaysFanfic said:
Crow created the first spirits, but his role has never been as a progenitor, and he has other stuff as well. Gwy and Gyo are the parents of every other spirit, and that's the defining aspect of their mythos, that they (and Gwygowyn) are the ancestors of everyone.
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Everyone but Crow, who created the first spirits who created everyone. He's the ultimate artificer, the one who birthed our world from the nether, the closest thing to a monotheistic god we have.

BungieONI said:
Do you know how metal content alters the flavor?

Yes I am basically thinking of using grapes as a prospecting tool.
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Um....

"First off, there's a difference between "good metallic" and "bad metallic." Some excellent Sauvignon Blancs and Rieslings might be described as "steely" or "flinty" (positive descriptors that are often attributed to grapes grown in mineral-rich soil). On the other hand, unpleasant metallic or "tinny" notes can come from brettanomyces, a spoilage yeast. "Metallic" can also refer to a tactile sensation that comes from low-ethanol, dry, high-acid wines, or to the astringent feel of some highly polyphenolic wines."

Tbh simple geology knowledge or looking at the rocks would be far more effective though. Vine roots go ~6 meters deep max even in non-rocky soil but far less in it, especially in the rocky/dusty soil that produces the best flavor. Since this rocky soil is the most likely site for metal deposits, looking at stones or simply digging some sample holes are far more reliable than a flavor that is impacted mostly as much by yeast and what you've eaten recently as trace metals.

Academia Nut said:
Probably rows.
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IIRC most "vine"-y type grapes were grown in clusters around a limited number of stakes, but doing rows makes recognition & treatment of disease (or removal of the afflicted plant) easier, and the benefits from inter-vine support matters less if we're using woody varietals and have plenty of stakes. It probably most depends on how we order orchards, peas, and berry thickets - are they rows or random?

New questions: Are we using vine-like grape vines or tree/shrub-like grape vines? Are we keeping them low-density and tall or high-density and short?
 
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Abby Normal said:
Now that we've "failed" at it, can you confirm if rolling so that we picked up GG again from CA right after combining it with all 3 of our regular social values would have done anything special?
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They evolved it.

Moloch Calls.

Reader of all said:
How cattle are we talking here because I am imagining anime cow girl
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Already covered.

EDIT: @VoidZero, maybe avoid the panty shots of apparently underage girls?
 
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BungieONI said:
Do you know how metal content alters the flavor?

Yes I am basically thinking of using grapes as a prospecting tool.
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Oh, I know that one.

Grapes with high mineral content - that is, terroir, in wine terminology - taste differently. Graves are a good wine to explore this taste, if you're interested. However, not only is it difficult to tell a wine with high gravel from a wine with other types of mineral by taste, but also you probably need vast vineyards devoted to testing the differences.

I think Benedictine and Cistercian monks got into that hobby in the middle ages for some reason or other.
 
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Umi-san said:
IIRC most "vine" type grapes were grown in clusters around a limited number of stakes, but doing rows makes treatment of disease easier and matters less if we're using woody varietals. It probably most depends on how we order orchards - are they rows or random?
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Pretty sure we do ordered orchards.

See here...

Academia Nut said:
Noxivah had never dreamed of a place like this. She had thought of a land of grain and cattle hidden among the hills, but she had not expected hills turned green with rows and lines of trees obviously planted by human hands,
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We do tree rows

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Academia Nut said:
Already covered.

EDIT: @VoidZero, maybe avoid the panty shots of apparently underage girls?
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Heh awesome.
 
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Abby Normal said:
Ahh, yeah i suppose child sacrifice is rather incompatible with our civ...how is our infant/child mortality looking nowadays, btw?
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Child sacrifice isn't common most of the time, but they have taken Greater Good to the point of almost flagellant "See how powerful my faith is by how much I sacrifice!" Although given the drought, yeah, more than a few kids are being sacrificed to appease the gods.

Umi-san said:
Moloch whose mind is pure machinery! Moloch whose blood is running money! Moloch whose fingers are ten armies! Moloch whose breast is a cannibal dynamo! Moloch whose ear is a smoking tomb!
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Given their status as a city state that demands the input of the surrounding areas to keep itself afloat, this is also part of it.
 
Academia Nut said:
Child sacrifice isn't common most of the time, but they have taken Greater Good to the point of almost flagellant "See how powerful my faith is by how much I sacrifice!" Although given the drought, yeah, more than a few kids are being sacrificed to appease the gods.
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*rubs sudden headache with both hands*

I was starting to like the Xoh. Dammit!
 
Early modern scholarship tended to accept the Biblical and Greco-Roman accounts of child sacrifice at face value, although there were early suggestions that the biblical account might refer to a symbolic practice, among them an essay by John Selden of 1617 with the suggestion that the phrase h'byr b'sh lmlk "making to pass over the fire to Molek" might have entailed a februation (purification ritual) rather than human sacrifice.[16]​
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In 1841, both Georg Friedrich Daumer and Friedrich Wilhelm Ghillany published influential works on the topic.[18]​ These authors came to the conclusion that the Biblical text reflects an original identity of Molek and Yahweh, and that the cult of Yahweh grew out of that of Molek by the abolishing of human sacrifice. The authors find numerous instances of vestigial references to human sacrifice, most notably the law that all firstborns must be "consecrated" or "given" to Yahweh (Exodus 13:2, 22:28).
 
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