Well. They're nomads, even if they are meant to be proto Indo-European or Indo-European. If I am guessing right, the East is likely to be Not!India or at least near Not!India.
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Well. They're nomads, even if they are meant to be proto Indo-European or Indo-European. If I am guessing right, the East is likely to be Not!India or at least near Not!India.
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Not even close on the first, closer on the second but you've already met the not!Assyrians a long time ago, although you didn't recognize since they were also blended with another cultural inspiration that was probably more immediately recognizable.
Waaaaay too far east for the former, and closer but still too far east for the latter.
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DocMatoi
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I think its a misreading of a quote from the update saying 'the people are on the cusp of something big!'
they're misunderstanding that as saying 'wait and something big will happen'
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Rank pessimism and attempting to imply that none of the traits have negatives
We are at maxed stability and legitimacy in a golden age. The Young Stallions, despite their beef with the tax system, never threatened to attack. This is fearmongering
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hmm I know there was a couple of Big empires in the middles east, but I don't know their names off the top of my head so my last guess before I start looking would be the First Persian empire?
The Persians are to the southeast of us.
BungieONI
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Let me paraphrase:
HK Players: "OH GOD WHY!? THEY'RE COMING!!! THEY'RE COMING!!!"
DP & TS Players: "FUCK EVERYTHING! WHY DID THIS HAPPEN! WE SHOULD HAVE JUST FARMED!"
[Insert images of everything being on fire]
Are they the Hittites!? That's awesome if they are.
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AN said possible but unlikely, which translates to 40ish% (using the chance of the son being in the running for kingship if we don't support him as an example). 10% chance would have AN saying tiny.
The HIttites would be to the southwest of us, assuming we border the black sea.
BungieONI
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I'm kinda up in the air on that assumption recently.
If so though that would mean the SHP are Hittites or Proto-Hittites.
I had liken them to the Greeks, although that's probably an inaccurate characterization. The MW to the west would be more likely to be the Greeks, but they already united...soo....
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BungieONI
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I think you nailed it.
They are obviously Proto-Scythians right now and we are the "literate" peoples who write about them.
If not I think they are the Caucas peoples or the Hittites.
Huh, missed that.
Hrm.
I'd actually put that more around 25%, but we're probably not getting better than that for Observance from evolving a trait, either - and I don't consider evolving our other spiritual traits that important.
[X] [Honour] Overwhelming numbers
[X] [Mystic] Overturn superstition (-10 Mysticism, -1 Stability)
[X] [Goal] Stop raids (Easiest, annoys allies)
[X] [Stallions] Split efforts between Thunder Speakers and nomads
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No longer NEET
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- WA, USA
[X] [Honour] Quality training
[X] [Mystic] Evolve spiritual value (-7 Mysticism)
[X] [Goal] Degrade sphere of influence (Hardest, +1 Prestige, pleases allies)
[X] [Stallions] Focus efforts on the Thunder Speakers
[X] [Mystic] Evolve spiritual value (-7 Mysticism)
[X] [Goal] Degrade sphere of influence (Hardest, +1 Prestige, pleases allies)
[X] [Stallions] Focus efforts on the Thunder Speakers
Lets see... oh look. We picked a heroic admin guy and lost control of the turn. Called it. He also managed to start a war by failing at Diplomacy. His Admin accomplishment is that his mom left him a need for a Library to be invented... so that is on her. We did get that Defensive policy so the best thing he has done so far involves his worse stat.
In questionable news, we've hit a Golden age for ignoring things long enough due to Admin heroes taking up all our actions manipulation economy and diplomacy. Add in the first offense war in The People's history and now War is going to be associated with Golden Ages. That is going to cause problems in the future. The obvious parallel is 'Being at war = The best of times'.
On to the actual vote:
Mystic Advance possible! [Mystic]
-Temper superstition (-5 Mysticism) is a half measure of removing stupid. No.
-Expand spiritual value slots (-7 Mysticism), I can't think of a useful value for that our neighbors have and we know about so that is asking for issues.
-Evolve spiritual value (-7 Mysticism) is not bad, but again 'War=National Goodness' is not what I want influencing that.
-Wait, twiddle thumbs. Maybe risk the 'Golden Age of War is Good for you?' Maybe get illusive shiny.
-Overturn superstition (-10 Mysticism, -1 Stability)... Bingo. FIVE study metal actions for one actions with only one of them costing us a Kickers worth of stability. This is technically 3 free stability effectively. Technically. Add the Golden Age bonus of rapid advancement... Stupid belief gone and roll to for chanceto crit into iron? Yes. At the very least they have to test copper ore and the bonus metals from that. I can see no reason they won't test the other know ore.
What is most important on the battlefield? [Honour]
-Overwhelming numbers... add in the great good and you could end up with depopulated farms. This is asking for polygamy to be standardized if things go wrong.
-Quality training... always a good thing. The only issue is that 'War=Golden Age' things is just asking for a botch to advance it.
-Loyalty... Best living style. Competent medical support. Values against stupid jerk levels of greed, at least in the south.
I'll flip a coin on the last 2. Tails Quality Training.
What is the objective of the fighting? [Goal]
-Stop raids (Easiest, annoys allies)
Slap on the wrist. Asking for this to restart in a generation or two.
-Degrade sphere of influence (Hardest, +1 Prestige, pleases allies)
Hubris. 500-1000km logistics supply through nomad lands, without major roads and at least one other faction will to get involved once the recover from being stomped? Lets not ignore whatever the ETH can throw at us. Hubris without a crit wall. Land war in Asia.
-Humiliate (Hard, +1 Prestige)
Teach people that The People have an army and asked you politely to keep your unruly kids off their lawn.
Orders for the Stallions [Stallions]
-Focus efforts on the Thunder Speakers
Ignore the supply chain? Dumb. Means they eat the brunt of damage.
-Focus efforts on the nomads
Most experienced warriors avoid the front. Good for when things go wrong.
-Split efforts between Thunder Speakers and nomads
North and South interact with each other and the most experiences guys can be around to teach.
[X] Quality training
[X] Overturn superstition (-10 Mysticism, -1 Stability)
[X] Humiliate (Hard, +1 Prestige)
[X] Split efforts between Thunder Speakers and nomads
In questionable news, we've hit a Golden age for ignoring things long enough due to Admin heroes taking up all our actions manipulation economy and diplomacy. Add in the first offense war in The People's history and now War is going to be associated with Golden Ages. That is going to cause problems in the future. The obvious parallel is 'Being at war = The best of times'.
On to the actual vote:
Mystic Advance possible! [Mystic]
-Temper superstition (-5 Mysticism) is a half measure of removing stupid. No.
-Expand spiritual value slots (-7 Mysticism), I can't think of a useful value for that our neighbors have and we know about so that is asking for issues.
-Evolve spiritual value (-7 Mysticism) is not bad, but again 'War=National Goodness' is not what I want influencing that.
-Wait, twiddle thumbs. Maybe risk the 'Golden Age of War is Good for you?' Maybe get illusive shiny.
-Overturn superstition (-10 Mysticism, -1 Stability)... Bingo. FIVE study metal actions for one actions with only one of them costing us a Kickers worth of stability. This is technically 3 free stability effectively. Technically. Add the Golden Age bonus of rapid advancement... Stupid belief gone and roll to for chanceto crit into iron? Yes. At the very least they have to test copper ore and the bonus metals from that. I can see no reason they won't test the other know ore.
What is most important on the battlefield? [Honour]
-Overwhelming numbers... add in the great good and you could end up with depopulated farms. This is asking for polygamy to be standardized if things go wrong.
-Quality training... always a good thing. The only issue is that 'War=Golden Age' things is just asking for a botch to advance it.
-Loyalty... Best living style. Competent medical support. Values against stupid jerk levels of greed, at least in the south.
I'll flip a coin on the last 2. Tails Quality Training.
What is the objective of the fighting? [Goal]
-Stop raids (Easiest, annoys allies)
Slap on the wrist. Asking for this to restart in a generation or two.
-Degrade sphere of influence (Hardest, +1 Prestige, pleases allies)
Hubris. 500-1000km logistics supply through nomad lands, without major roads and at least one other faction will to get involved once the recover from being stomped? Lets not ignore whatever the ETH can throw at us. Hubris without a crit wall. Land war in Asia.
-Humiliate (Hard, +1 Prestige)
Teach people that The People have an army and asked you politely to keep your unruly kids off their lawn.
Orders for the Stallions [Stallions]
-Focus efforts on the Thunder Speakers
Ignore the supply chain? Dumb. Means they eat the brunt of damage.
-Focus efforts on the nomads
Most experienced warriors avoid the front. Good for when things go wrong.
-Split efforts between Thunder Speakers and nomads
North and South interact with each other and the most experiences guys can be around to teach.
[X] Quality training
[X] Overturn superstition (-10 Mysticism, -1 Stability)
[X] Humiliate (Hard, +1 Prestige)
[X] Split efforts between Thunder Speakers and nomads
BungieONI
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Actually no this is still defensive war.
Please get your facts straight.
We kinda knew that we were losing the turn when we picked him, nothing much to call. It's just how they work.
Your analysis is interesting beyond these.
DocMatoi
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Nah dude we're still defending. We said 'Hey TS keep your kids at home' and the TS said 'Fuck you im bitter and now im coming to fuck you up.'
I've skipped ahead in the thread... kindly explain how 5x 'Study Metal' actions in an enhanced advance time isn't going to get us more than the unstupiding?
Actually no this is still defensive war.
Please get your facts straight.
Unless we go for the Hardest option, then its a matter of invasion for cultural smash.
Defensive war or not future generation may ignore that defensive part.
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[X] [Honour] Quality training
[X] [Mystic] Evolve spiritual value (-7 Mysticism)
[X] [Goal] Degrade sphere of influence (Hardest, +1 Prestige, pleases allies)
[X] [Mystic] Evolve spiritual value (-7 Mysticism)
[X] [Goal] Degrade sphere of influence (Hardest, +1 Prestige, pleases allies)
BungieONI
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I'm so sad the Thunderfriends aren't being friendly.
@Omegahugger must be drowning his sorrows in a seedy dive somewhere from the grief.
Poor guy.
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We now have evidence that it is Loyalty that gives discipline, not quality.
This isn't something we would need to worry about, especially as we just started a Golden Age
@Malevolo @sidestory
We now have evidence that it is Loyalty that gives discipline, not quality.
This all seems to assume the Legitimacy stat isn't a thing or maxed out.
This isn't something we would need to worry about, especially as we just started a Golden Age
But how can you call it love if you don't have loyalty? </3
Actually we have word of AN that Loyalty leads to discipline, which in turn leads to arrow volleys and phalanxes.
See above, it is Loyalry that givea cohesive groups.
But first you need soldiers not warriors. To get that you need to instill discipline and Loyalty gives that
Untrue. Loyalty also helps ensure morale against the enemy as well as help ensure the People' belief in the King. It gives our warriors discipline and puts them on the road to be soldiers. Yes it starts as nebulous, but so do all the traits. None of them have zero cons.
Also gives discipline and opens the path to arrow volleys with our superior compound bows
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Vote Tally : Paths of Civilization | Page 1340 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.9.0
[14] [Honour] Loyalty
[5] [Mystic] Temper superstition (-5 Mysticism)
[5] [Goal] Stop raids (Easiest, annoys allies)
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: Honour
[45][Honour] Quality training
[8][Honour] Overwhelming numbers
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[35][Mystic] Evolve spiritual value (-7 Mysticism)
[14][Mystic] Wait
[13][Mystic] Overturn superstition (-10 Mysticism, -1 Stability)
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: Goal
[34][Goal] Humiliate (Hard, +1 Prestige)
[22][Goal] Degrade sphere of influence (Hardest, +1 Prestige, pleases allies)
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: Stallions
[34][Stallions] Focus efforts on the Thunder Speakers
[23][Stallions] Split efforts between Thunder Speakers and nomads
[1][Stallions] Focus efforts on the nomads
Total No. of Voters: 70
##### NetTally 1.9.0
[14] [Honour] Loyalty
[5] [Mystic] Temper superstition (-5 Mysticism)
[5] [Goal] Stop raids (Easiest, annoys allies)
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: Honour
[45][Honour] Quality training
[8][Honour] Overwhelming numbers
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: Mystic
[35][Mystic] Evolve spiritual value (-7 Mysticism)
[14][Mystic] Wait
[13][Mystic] Overturn superstition (-10 Mysticism, -1 Stability)
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: Goal
[34][Goal] Humiliate (Hard, +1 Prestige)
[22][Goal] Degrade sphere of influence (Hardest, +1 Prestige, pleases allies)
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: Stallions
[34][Stallions] Focus efforts on the Thunder Speakers
[23][Stallions] Split efforts between Thunder Speakers and nomads
[1][Stallions] Focus efforts on the nomads
Total No. of Voters: 70
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