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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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faflec said:
[] Action Plan: Converting the Crow God
Word Count: ___

  • Unless Hazo's sealing expertise tells him the sealing failures are an imminent danger to the islands, get back to the Shrine in a manner that won't offend Hidan ASAP.
  • Convince Itachi that he can be a force for good:
    • Continue off on the previous discussion, keeping in mind what's happened thus far.
      • We need both a skilled ruler to create a lasting peace and military might to ensure challengers don't tear it down through brute force.
        • More importantly, we need to change people, from the bottom-up, until we reach a point where going to war is as unthinkable as killing a newborn.
        • But that won't happen on its own. Born and raised to be hate-filled, or worse, mindless killers, the children of this world will never see peace as an option.
      • We have reason to hate each other.
        • We both think that the world's best shot at peace was put to death at the other's hands.
        • But we cannot fall into the cycle of retaliation. This is the blindness of the world as-is.
        • I'm willing to put my hate aside and work with you.
        • If you want to walk away from us, that's fine.
        • I know we share the desire to do the right thing, at any cost.
        • I will do my best to save the world. I ask you to do the same.
    • what the fuck do i do help me sos screaming in kagome-in-social-situations
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Edit: added the first part of the glorious @faflec plan. Also removed the Haru section cause that's a lot to put in a plan and is also super delicate
 
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Kiba said:
[X] Action Plan: Convince Itachi

Unless Hazo's sealmaster training said otherwise, get away from the seal failure incident as far as possible without offending Hidan.

Convince Itachi to not kill us:
  • Talk about Itachi's values, methods, and plans.
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I greatly simplified the plan to get an exposition from Itachi. No idea where to go after that.

faflec said:
[] Action Plan: Converting the Crow God
Word Count: ___

  • Unless Hazo's sealing expertise tells him the sealing failures are an imminent danger to the islands, get back to the Shrine in a manner that won't offend Hidan ASAP.
  • Convince Itachi that he can be a force for good:
    • Continue off on the previous discussion, keeping in mind what's happened thus far.
      • We need both a skilled ruler to create a lasting peace and military might to ensure challengers don't tear it down through brute force.
        • More importantly, we need to change people, from the bottom-up, until we reach a point where going to war is as unthinkable as killing a newborn.
        • But that won't happen on its own. Born and raised to be hate-filled, or worse, mindless killers, the children of this world will never see peace as an option.
      • We have reason to hate each other.
        • We both think that the world's best shot at peace was put to death at the other's hands.
        • But we cannot fall into the cycle of retaliation. This is the blindness of the world as-is.
        • I'm willing to put my hate aside and work with you.
        • If you want to walk away from us, that's fine.
        • I know we share the desire to do the right thing, at any cost.
        • I will do my best to save the world. I ask you to do the same.
    • what the fuck do i do help me sos screaming in kagome-in-social-situations
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This seems to be in contradiction with the last chapter in which Hazo stated that the omnikage strategy is unlikely to generate lasting peace.
 
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Could we have an earth clone PMYF into and out of the rift? I don't think it can activate seals, but we can keep throwing kunai from outside the portal.
 
faflec said:
My attempt was to write how the omnikage strategy would be a stepping stone to the actual plan of changing people to being less assholish.
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I don't necessarily like to hitch our wagons to a single strategy so soon. Don't put our basket into one strategy, especially since Asuma is our boss. And getting an omnikage...well...our boss is going to get mad. I prefer something more cooperative.

Ninja UN, and then maybe an eventual federation. Trade agreements and more trade. There are multiple pathways toward peace.

The Omnikage is simple, but it's likely to backfire.
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      • We have reason to hate each other.
        • We both think that the world's best shot at peace was put to death at the other's hands.
        • But we cannot fall into the cycle of retaliation. This is the blindness of the world as-is.
        • I'm willing to put my hate aside and work with you.
        • If you want to walk away from us, that's fine.
        • I know we share the desire to do the right thing, at any cost.
        • I will do my best to save the world. I ask you to do the same.
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This is a way too much verbiage.

Just say this:

  • We have reasons to hate and kill, but we have a common goal, and I am willing to put aside the past for the sake of that goal and the living. Are you?
 
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Oneiros said:
[X] Action plan: A new dawn
  • Clean up the sealing failures
    • While doing so make sure to respect Hidan's religious beliefs
      • He's scary and crazy but he seems to like us.
      • Plus everyone here has committed a none zero number of murders
      • Hazo can definitely respect his style
      • In fact if it seems safe we'd like to ask him to explain the tenants of his religion
  • Meet back up with Itachi
    • Continue off on the previous discussion, keeping in mind what's happened thus far.​
      We need both a skilled ruler to create a lasting peace and military might to ensure challengers don't tear it down through brute force.
      • More importantly, we need to change people, from the bottom-up, until we reach a point where going to war is as unthinkable as killing a newborn.
      • But that won't happen on its own. Born and raised to be hate-filled, or worse, mindless killers, the children of this world will never see peace as an option.
    • Discuss what us working together will look like
      • We would like to work on changing the cultural norms of elemental nations
      • Describe plan for summoning trade network
      • What would Itachi like to get out of our allaince?
        • "Please expound on your goals, ideals, and plans"(edited)
      • It would probably be best for us if we could formalize an alliance with Leaf
        • But we understand if Itachi isn't on board
    • We where actually looking for the porcupine summoning scroll
      • We've tracked it down to the great forest
      • Does Itachi know where it's at and is he willing to help us grab it
    • Is there anything that he could teach/train us to be more valuable partners?
      • We also wouldn't mind meeting and learning from the rest of the members of Akatsuki
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Typo: "none zero" should be "non-zero".

Might be useful to mention the idea that heavily-trading nations do not benefit so much from going to war (and nations that are economically dependant on each other are actively harmed by doing so).
 
Oneiros said:
[X] Action plan: A new dawn
  • Clean up the sealing failures
    • While doing so make sure to respect Hidan's religious beliefs
      • He's scary and crazy but he seems to like us.
      • Plus everyone here has committed a none zero number of murders
      • Hazo can definitely respect his style
      • In fact if it seems safe we'd like to ask him to explain the tenants of his religion
  • Meet back up with Itachi
    • Continue off on the previous discussion, keeping in mind what's happened thus far.​
      We need both a skilled ruler to create a lasting peace and military might to ensure challengers don't tear it down through brute force.
      • More importantly, we need to change people, from the bottom-up, until we reach a point where going to war is as unthinkable as killing a newborn.
      • But that won't happen on its own. Born and raised to be hate-filled, or worse, mindless killers, the children of this world will never see peace as an option.
    • Discuss what us working together will look like
      • We would like to work on changing the cultural norms of elemental nations
      • Describe plan for summoning trade network
      • What would Itachi like to get out of our allaince?
        • "Please expound on your goals, ideals, and plans"(edited)
      • It would probably be best for us if we could formalize an alliance with Leaf
        • But we understand if Itachi isn't on board
    • We where actually looking for the porcupine summoning scroll
      • We've tracked it down to the great forest
      • Does Itachi know where it's at and is he willing to help us grab it
    • Is there anything that he could teach/train us to be more valuable partners?
      • We also wouldn't mind meeting and learning from the rest of the members of Akatsuki
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You put the omnikage strategy in a plan that does other things other than selecting an omnikage.
 
@faflec I'd say something along the lines of "I'm going to forgive and move on...because we both want the same thing" rather than "I'm willing to." The definitive statement of "I will break this cycle of blind retaliation, both within and without" shows a lot more than "I will if you will." Not to mention that Hazou can do this and still be a reasonable, rational person since he knows that...
  1. Itachi wants peace
  2. Itachi doesn't want peace through violent means (see: reaction to global domination)
  3. Itachi doesn't want to kill Hazou, but suspects he must (see: let Hazou meet them at all, let alone speak)

That said, I'm not sure the omnikage is the way to go, as far as dialogue is concerned. If anything, I'd say something along the lines of "compassionate leaders are needed." Referenced by how the Hiruzen, Jiraiya, and Asuma did a lot more for global peace than Hiashi or the Third Mizukage did --not "perfect" by any means, but they paved the groundwork for us going forward. Jiraiya convinced Naruto --who's practically guaranteed to be Hokage at some point --and that's one more pillar for peace to rest upon, one more person pushing for peace.

Edit: Maybe something like "true peace may be an impossible ideal, but it's an ideal worth pursuing because I've seen the types of change that can happen when we chase it" followed by practical examples (Noburi healing baby's birth defect, Hazou making walls for village to survive, Tsunade's books and teachings spreading across the world --indiscriminate of nationality)
 
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[X] Action Plan: Akatsuki Conversion Plan #1: Hidan And Itachi
Word Count:389

  • Unless Hazo's sealing expertise tells him the sealing failures are an imminent danger to the islands, get back to the Shrine in a manner that won't offend Hidan ASAP.
    • If Hazou have to interact with Hidan, don't lie, but don't go out of your way to explain that you had no input on your victory
  • Meet up with Itachi:
    • He called people stupid, selfish, and ignorant. He's not wrong, but people aren't inherently this way, or we (our two groups) wouldn't be here. This is a self-sustaining system created by vengeance and cutthroat pragmatism.
    • Between striking at any possible threat, attacking everyone first...and reaching to the others to find a solution, we know what this world always does, and this is why it's impossible to break this circle.
    • Hazou believe this is the biggest obstacle to surpass, and for this to happen, it must first happen between those that seek to change the world.
    • Itachi said they don't know how to rule, and neither does Hazou; he's not so arrogant to think he can do everything alone. That's normal, because we are just individuals. Working together is what makes the difference.
    • Considering our histories, we shouldn't be capable of working together...and this is why we must. If we can surpass this system, we can find the way to break it everywhere.
  • The greatest thing you're offering is the chance to listen and talk:
    • If our plans are wrong or inefficient, we can share and improve on them.
    • Here and now, let's influence each other without violence.
  • You are more than willing to explain your plans, but this is their core motivation, untempered by pragmatism:
    • We need to help free people from this system of hate until peace is the norm for them, and they protect peace just like they now fuel war.
  • How?
    • Target vectors of conflict (Hunger, ignorance, lack of territory, vengeance, etc.)
    • Grow, for there many people that believe in peace that just don't realize it.
    • Stop other conflicts from happening, for they give fuel for hatred.(Example: A trade network that uses the summon path, would make villages prosperity dependent on lack of conflict between Villages/Summoners,due to economic consequences)
    • Protect the ones that move towards peace.
    • Much, much more, for this isn't something you alone can resolve and this why you're here.

We're short on time, so here's a plan, a little too long, but better than nothing. Still need to word optimize it, but at least it's here.

EDIT:Thanks to @faflec for the great work in improving this plan
 
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RandomOTP said:
That said, I'm not sure the omnikage is the way to go, as far as dialogue is concerned. If anything, I'd say something along the lines of "compassionate leaders are needed." Referenced by how the Hiruzen, Jiraiya, and Asuma did a lot more for global peace than Hiashi or the Third Mizukage did --not "perfect" by any means, but they paved the groundwork for us going forward. Jiraiya convinced Naruto --who's practically guaranteed to be Hokage at some point --and that's one more pillar for peace to rest upon, one more person pushing for peace.
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Agreed.

Going the omnikage routes means locking ourselves into the status quo political system of ninja village writ large. This is what ninja know, but that may be the suboptimal system.

Once the Omnikage dies, then what? It could survive, but it may very well collapse since people don't have loyalty to each other.
 
faflec said:
[] Action Plan: Converting the Crow God
Word Count: ___

  • Unless Hazo's sealing expertise tells him the sealing failures are an imminent danger to the islands, get back to the Shrine in a manner that won't offend Hidan ASAP.
  • Convince Itachi that he can be a force for good:
    • Continue off on the previous discussion, keeping in mind what's happened thus far.
      • We need both compassionate and skilled leaders to create a lasting peace and discourages warhawk factors.
      • Maybe or maybe not a good idea that Akatsuki could act as peacekeepers
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Here's my suggestion.
 
This is very frustrating. People voted for plans which I think are not entirely up to notch, but this is also could just be my opinion/preference. I am trying to distinguish between what I like and what I think is effective.

I don't think we're going to die right this instance, but I think we're making plans that is going to make our lives very complicated.

Anyway, go with the decentralized plan. Once we go with the Omnikage plan, we could potentially end up with dead kages, and Asuma would be entirely justified in killing us.

And Asuma is a very nice kage that listened to us.
 
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When dealing with the sealing failures, I think we should phrase things so we don't look like we had no control over what just happened. "We should kill the plant." is a good start, since Hidan would probably not object to killing something. Do not phrase it as "we need to save the civilians", though. Hidan is omnicidal and might very well just go "Urrrrrrgh... Kid, Jashin just gave you victory. Why'd you immediately ruin it by blaspheming? Whatever, time to die."

In fact, "We should kill the plant." is a good choice for the next words out of our mouth. Throwing the lava geyser into the plant's dimension might be a convenient way to dispose of it, too (provided that mixing seal failures together isn't the worst idea we've ever had, of course -- which it might be).
 
Kiba said:
[X] Action Plan: Convince Itachi

Unless Hazo's sealmaster training said otherwise, get away from the seal failure incident as far as possible without offending Hidan.
  • An exception would be if it's a threat to the island(s), in which case work together with Hidan and Itachi to contains the seal failure.

Convince Itachi to not kill us:
  • Unless Hazo's sealing expertise tells him the sealing failures are an imminent danger to the islands, get back to the Shrine in a manner that won't offend Hidan ASAP.
  • Convince Itachi that he can be a force for good:
    • Continue off on the previous discussion, keeping in mind what's happened thus far.
      • We need both compassionate and skilled leaders to create a lasting peace and discourages warhawk factors.
      • More importantly, we need to change people, from the bottom-up, until we reach a point where going to war is as unthinkable as killing a newborn.
      • But that won't happen on its own. Born and raised to be hate-filled, or worse, mindless killers, the children of this world will never see peace as an option.
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Copied @faflec 's parts with my own modification.

Also, a vote for Marshall's plan even though I think it's overly wordy.

[X] Action Plan: Akatsuki Conversion Plan #1: Hidan And Itachi
 
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@Oneiros, @Lord Marshal, @Kiba, strongly suggest including something along the following lines:
  • Address the sealing failures.
    • Note: Hidan may or may not realize they're failures. If he doesn't, learning it might overturn his opinion of you. In his presence, be ambivalent regarding whether you intended any of this.
    • Casually suggest killing the tentacle thing, preferably by saturating the area in explosions.
      • Justification (if necessary): it might grow into a huge mess Itachi won't be happy about.
    • If Hidan vetoes the idea, or it doesn't work, sprint to the shrine and inform Itachi about what happened ASAP.
@MadScientist, does it look fine?
 
Is talking about competent rulers even the right questions and topic of discussion?

It's one thing to talk about it. It's another to discuss how to select rulers. Leaders are better. Hazo isn't the ruler of Konohagakure but he can influence people to be less warhawks.

Still, it might give Itachi justification to cause mayhem by killing warhawks, maybe even targeting Asuma or more importantly, people we might care about in the future.

What we want are systems and methods of creating peace, of which ninja leaderships are only a component.

We could suggest that Itachi seeks out competent leaders who aren't necessarily ninja and tasks them to do humanitarian missions, run a town, etc, and/or connecting them to a network of doves including Hazo.

Also:

[X] Lore Update

I feel we need more time to discuss things.
 
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WHY AKATSUKI SHOULD JOIN LEAF:
We should probably figure out what we actually want from Akatsuki, for if we actually convince Itachi to help us.

While the Omnikage thing is ham fisted and probably won't work so well, there is another way that the sheer overwhelming firepower that Akatsuki possess can help. Namely, as key supporters. When Orochimaru came back to Leaf, it was so important for Leaf to get another S ranker that he got a full pardon and came in from the cold. If Itachi and maybe Hidan (if we can somehow convince him not to kill people in the village) join Leaf, then they will represent a large percentage of Leaf's firepower. They will instantly become key supporters of Asuma, who Asuma will need to placate in order to stay in power, much as he does with Orochimaru with the funding of Orochimaru's research and not looking too hard when people go missing.

If Itachi/Hidan become key supporters, they can lobby Asuma to not go to war. Furthermore, by simply existing in Leaf they provide a powerful incentive for other villages to not mess with us, so Leaf becomes less likely to need to go to war. This will buy us some time for us to negotiate trade deals and figure out summoning and truck scroll logistics in order to bind the villages together with trade.

Even better, they can ask the other members of Akatsuki to do the same thing with other villages. Rejoin your old village, but only on the condition that they not commit acts of war. Any village that goes to war or commits an act of war (like biological warfare - looks at Asuma) loses the protection and power of their Akatsuki S rankers. They can also push for increased trade between their villages and other villages too.

While I think that Itachi would mostly be easy to incorporate back into the village (other than that little thing with Sasuke), Hidan is a little trickier. He could potentially work out some kind of deal like whatever Orochimaru did, or maybe he could just only kill people outside of the village. Depending on the exact tenets of Jashinism he could even be used as a kind of euthanasia for people dying in the hospital, helping them to die peacefully and with respect, or killing people suffering from disease in order to stop its spread. I'm not sure if that would actually count towards his quota though, since at best those people would die anyway.
A more short term solution is that he could be set upon the Rock ninja as a deniable asset who could kill a bunch of Rock people instead of Leaf using biowarfare. This could be presented to Leaf as an alternative to the disease approach, making it unnecessary for them to release the diseases or go to war with Rock.


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[X] Action Plan: Akatsuki Conversion Plan #1: Hidan And Itachi


Lord Marshal said:
we're people, you're are no different from a civilian...and now he can decide how far people go.
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Typo. I think this should be "we are"
 
Sorry a friend just gave me a mask for that sweet sweet apocalypse chic. Edits will be coming shortly

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Implemented @Kiba and @Noumero edits changes are in red




Oneiros said:
[X] Action plan: A new dawn



  • Clean up the sealing failures
    • While doing so make sure to respect Hidan's religious beliefs
      • Note: Hidan may or may not realize they're failures. If he doesn't, learning it might overturn his opinion of you. In his presence, be ambivalent regarding whether you intended any of this.
      • Casually suggest killing the tentacle thing, preferably by saturating the area in explosions.
        • Justification (if necessary): it might grow into a huge mess Itachi won't be happy about.
      • If Hidan vetoes the idea, or it doesn't work, sprint to the shrine and inform Itachi about what happened ASAP.
      • He's scary and crazy but he seems to like us.
      • Plus everyone here has committed a non-zero number of murders
      • Hazo can definitely respect his style
      • In fact if it seems safe we'd like to ask him to explain the tenants of his religion
  • Meet back up with Itachi

    • Continue off on the previous discussion, keeping in mind what's happened thus far.​


    • We need both compassionate and skilled leaders to create a lasting peace and discourages warhawk factors.​
      • More importantly, we need to change people, from the bottom-up, until we reach a point where going to war is as unthinkable as killing a newborn.
      • But that won't happen on its own. Born and raised to be hate-filled, or worse, mindless killers, the children of this world will never see peace as an option.
    • Discuss what us working together will look like
      • We would like to work on changing the cultural norms of elemental nations
      • Describe plan for summoning trade network
      • What would Itachi like to get out of our alliance?
        • "Please expound on your goals, ideals, and plans"(edited)
      • It would probably be best for us if we could formalize an alliance with Leaf
        • But we understand if Itachi isn't on board
    • We where actually looking for the porcupine summoning scroll
      • We've tracked it down to the great forest
      • Does Itachi know where it's at and is he willing to help us grab it
    • Is there anything that he could teach/train us to be more valuable partners?
      • We also wouldn't mind meeting and learning from the rest of the members of Akatsuki
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eaglejarl said:
Itachi chuckled. "Perhaps. We had good reason for our choices, but I acknowledge your point. I am still not convinced that it would be useful to let you walk out of this room alive."
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Notes: Itachi has a sense of humor, or is willing to engage with us in a social manner that involved polite laughter at an obvious joke. He sees our argument, and also sees that it wasn't an argument to let us live, but more a justification of why we thought Akatsuki were the bad guys. I suspect from this that we don't need to apologize - either he doesn't care that we aided the 5 Kages, or he doesn't know that our personal contributions were substantial.

eaglejarl said:
Itachi laughed, but nodded in respect. "I would expect no less. Understand that if you actually interfere with us then we'll kill you all, but I respect your choice." The assertion that he and his friends could kill an entire ninja clan was said in much the same tone one would say 'If I get hungry then I will have a snack'. Hazō felt no desire to dispute the case. "Granted, we aren't that interested in working with you, which is why we ignored your letter. Still, points for inventiveness on reaching out."
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Surprisingly, in the event of cooperation, he doesn't expect to be the dominant partner giving orders, but is open to dispute (but only so much as it doesn't hinder his pursuit of his goals). More implicitly, this suggests that he has some plans brewing that could be interfered with. Maybe nothing in place, but enough that the hypothetical is worth considering.

At this point, he's saying that we're not worth working with. This is maybe a positive end result nonetheless, because even if we aren't powerful enough to justify alliance, by speaking with him we can influence the direction that Akatsuki takes.

eaglejarl said:
"And thus you see why we did not visit or write. People are stupid, ignorant, and selfish."
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This basically confirms what we expected the Akatsuki mainline ideology to be - let us save you or we'll kill you. Also Itachi is a bit of a misanthrope, but ninja.

eaglejarl said:
Itachi shook his head in disgust. "No, we couldn't. Never mind, this conversation is clearly a waste. I thought—"

"Excuse me," Hazō cut in forcefully. "I said that you could do it, not that it would work."

Itachi's eyebrow rose and his lips tightened in annoyance at being interrupted and corrected. Far away, perhaps over the horizon and perhaps in some other world, Hazō caught a momentary hint of giant red wheels grinding closer, slowly crushing everything in their path into madness and pain. He swallowed but refused to drop his gaze. Eventually, Itachi leaned back and offered a 'go on' gesture.
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Surprisingly, Itachi is fine with being interrupted by the kid (when he interrupted first). He starts to lose respect for us when we pose a bad idea, but is approximately fine with letting us continue speaking - presumably that we have a good justification for why our trash idea isn't actually trash. Also, good work Hazou for having the spine to stare the S-rank genjutsu specialist in his fancy bloodline eyes.

eaglejarl said:
"You could force the world to bow to you, and you could keep them from killing each other where you could see it. It wouldn't actually solve the problem. Violence and crime would simply go deeper underground. You'd find and punish some of it—perhaps even most of it, but you couldn't stop it."

"More importantly, none of us knows anything about ruling," Itachi said. "The Third was not a success because he was a powerful ninja, although that certainly didn't hurt. He was a success because he was a politician, a diplomat, an educator, and a builder. He could get people to work together and he understood how to set up self-sustaining systems. You think we could do that? A kin-slayer"—he gestured to himself, then waved towards the doorway through which Hidan had vanished in quest of tea—"a murderous zealot—"

"I heard that!"

Itachi winced.
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Here's the biggest blunder of the conversation in my opinion. Instead of talking about the various ways in which Omnikage-ideas would go wrong, we should have talked about why it would be a mistake. Note that Itachi is eager to point out a flaw in our reasoning - an obvious argument that's stronger than the one that we made. Also note that Itachi is very focused on the Big Men - Hiruzen being the major factor in the peace. It might be tough to sell him on bottom-up strategies.

Fortunately, there's room to build on here. Point out that the need for ridiculously competent diplomats is also a feature of the system, and other nations being willing to go to war on a hairpin trigger. Our pitch is basically that human nature can be changed through smaller interventions, and that if you give people the room to be good instead of evil, then they might choose it. If you set up systems where it's hard to be evil, more the better.

Hopefully this is helpful for planmakers trying to model the Itachi conversation.

EDIT: Perhaps most notably, Itachi didn't seem convinced that we should be alive at the end of the conversation. We might still need to justify our existence.
 
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[X] Action Plan: Clean Up and Continue
Word Count: 286 (+1 XP)

Generally follow Hidan's lead and appease the demigod.
  • Address the sealing failures (except the afterlife).
    • Hidan may not realize they're failures. Learning it might overturn his opinion of you. Be ambivalent regarding whether you intended any of this.
    • Suggest killing the tentacles with excessive explosions.
      • Justification: it might grow into a huge mess Itachi won't be happy about.
    • Wall the screaming portal.
    • If Hidan vetoes cleanup and any of them are getting worse, sprint to the shrine and inform Itachi about what happened ASAP.
    • Otherwise, mention that you're glad you had Jashin's favor, because you're not sure how that could have happened otherwise.
  • Once back at the Oracle
    • Make sure the team is okay.
    • Discuss with Itachi.
      • Why should we live? Because our goals are roughly aligned and we can, through discussion, remove any friction.
        • A Clan Head in Leaf can do some interventions you can't.
      • People are "stupid, ignorant, and selfish." A forced peace would be temporary, if peaceful at all.
      • We want to find a lasting peace, and doing so is challenging.
        • We think one requirement would be a temporary peace. War builds weapons and grudges.
      • Currently, people are born and bred into a system of warfare. Isn't it conceivable that with different institutions, the average person might be good and not evil?
      • While we have ideas, Akatsuki has been thinking about these problems for a lot longer than us. Would you please share Akatsuki's insight?
        • Empathize, try to see why he believes what he does.
      • Here's what we've seen, and why we believe it will work.
        • Talk about our travels and deciding on Uplift.
      • Even if we don't work together, we would like to learn from you. How can we improve our ideas?
 
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