Lights... Camera... ACTION!!: A Hollywood Quest

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT
Hi Magoose here one of the guys helping Duke.

So we have some bad news.

The quest has been canceled as duke does not want to write it anymore.

I'm going to ask if I can take over for it, because I like this quest, and it would be a shame to kill it
TBF, Mags, you have been doing a lot of the heavylifting for the quest, so this will be in good hands. :)

To be clear to everyone, this is just me burning out on imagination of the quest, since my muse has been hitting me over the head a lot with so many different ideas that I just can't find myself too interested in this.

I'll still hang out here, though, since this still does have a sepcial place in my heart.

I'd like to thank you all for making this a wonderful experience while it lasted.

I'd also like to thank @Magoose, @Fluffy_serpent, and @Martin Noctis for doing so much to help prepare and write this quest. I couldn't have done it without you all. :D

I'll see you all around.

With so many regards, Duke William Of.
 
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Well you are forgetting that he just said, he's giving some guy complete freedom to do what he wants.

And took a gamble on a kid who has talent.

Because say what you want about Sid, he knows how to see Talent.

He saw it in Steve, and even in George.
TBH I hope that Sid ends up fed up with Cameron fixation with oceans and water and we can pick him up in a couple of years...

We might want to speak to Ellison and get the rights for whatever story inspired the Terminator, that way it belongns to us rather than Cameron.
Eh, I'm not to shook up about it. Hopefully we can still get Terminator but it's not world ending.
I consider exceedingly unlikely that James Cameron is going for Terminator (which was a really low budget film)... If he can do whatever he likes he will probably do something with a huge budget like Titanic.
 
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Why was Cameron the 100? Aren't there much much better ones to have been 100 in this time frame? He doesn't have anything yet to make sense in context?
Because there will be some fun things that will happen.

And to pull back behind the curtain a little bit to say this...

The first Terminator will be made and as of right now, it will be under universals banner.

and there is a high likely hood of other, prominat directors of the future going to Universal, rather then us.

Also Please remember this from the update.
Full creative control in a time frame. Lucasfilm could do it, so why not he?

Because it was a goddamn risk, and if he was not careful, it could bite him in the ass in ways that would see his company go the way of Warner.
He's taken a page not only out of our playbook... but also from Alan's.

He's Gambling right now... lets see if it works out. :V
 
THey are still wiling to director driven film production ?,either the total and uter disaster of heaven's gate that killed that in irl didn't happened either he have stells balls.

Why? That would be totally OOC for Cameron... If he had a huge budget he will try to do something like Titanic or the Abyss, not a straightforward low budget sci fi movie without any water...
Titanic won't be rediscovered before 85 so that one is understandable
 
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We might want to speak to Ellison and get the rights for whatever story inspired the Terminator, that way it belongns to us rather than Cameron.
First off, it was based on a dream of his that he had while filming his Piranha movie, so no dice there. Secondly, and I'm just going to rip off the band-aid here, this is a terrible attitude. Terminator is the film that put Cameron on the map and is straight up just his second film. A film that was made in roughly 2 years from now OTL and may be made earlier in ITTL(edit: WILL be made earlier according to Magoose), but you want to take that away from him because he's competition now? I don't want to argue with you guys over this so this is all I'm going to say about it for now and I'm not going to respond to any responses made to my post, but I despise to my core that this is the attitude y'all keep defaulting to. Not only is it the attitude of a sore loser, it's also a clear abuse of the Pitch system. In pretty much any other quest, something like this would be firmly disallowed, Magoose is just very hands off. Something to be simultaneously commended, yet also annoyed by. It honestly really frustrates me to see this be the response that so many in thread go to whenever there's some kind of stumbling block, over and over and over again.
...And fuck it, I'll make a Pitch for Avatar as well later on.
Why? Avatar is a mediocre film at best with It's best quality, the effects, not being possible any time soon. Unless Cameron somehow stays with Universal past the 2000s, Avatar is almost certainly not going to be a Universal film and Cameron will have moved on to other studios by that point.
 
and there is a high likely hood of other, prominat directors of the future going to Universal, rather then us.
So, business as usual then. I mean, all our directors have been the direct result of us going for them or getting a reward. I can't recall when a Director came and said "I want to work for Lucasfilms".

So, at least nothing's changed here. Though Cameron won't be doing Aliens so that franchise might sink faster than OTL. Or perhaps remain a single movie one.

And if Universal is getting Terminator, at least let's make sure they don't get Avatar. The Abyss is also a good movie, and perhaps we could do it without the madness and trauma Cameron brought to the actors.
 
Why? Avatar is a mediocre film at best with It's best quality, the effects, not being possible any time soon. Unless Cameron somehow stays with Universal past the 2000s, Avatar is almost certainly not going to be a Universal film and Cameron will have moved on to other studios by that point.
It has potential to be a good enough movie if we make some changes to the story, mainly adding some shades of grey to both sides rather than just making it a propaganda film about the evils of capitalism and the goodness of the noble savage.
 
Why? That would be totally OOC for Cameron... If he had a huge budget and total creative freedom he will try to do something like Titanic or the Abyss, not a straightforward low budget sci fi movie without any water...
Full creative control in a timeframe.

Not full creative control and all the money in the world... Yet.
So, business as usual then. I mean, all our directors have been the direct result of us going for them or getting a reward. I can't recall when a Director came and said "I want to work for Lucasfilms".
But hey... remember in 1985 we get a producer or director every year after... so.
It has potential to be a good enough movie if we make some changes to the story, mainly adding some shades of grey to both sides rather than just making it a propaganda film about the evils of capitalism and the goodness of the noble savage.
all I'm going to say about that, is that its only temporary.

depending on how shit happens at least.
 
Why? Avatar is a mediocre film at best with It's best quality, the effects, not being possible any time soon. Unless Cameron somehow stays with Universal past the 2000s, Avatar is almost certainly not going to be a Universal film and Cameron will have moved on to other studios by that point.
It has potential to be a good enough movie if we make some changes to the story, mainly adding some shades of grey to both sides rather than just making it a propaganda film about the evils of capitalism and the goodness of the noble savage.
Let's make Pocahontas and Dancing with Wolves then... That way if Universal tries to do Avatar we can accuse them of Plagiarism!!!

And since getting Hana Barbera also got us the rights for the smurfs we have all our bases covered :V...
 
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There are better ways to support Ireland then to create a multi-million dollar movie campus to build an industry that is non-exsistant and frankly will never exsit on a scale to justify that investment (the nation is still not very develped in the 1980's, the averge person was not wealthy and it being an english speaking country its media will be imported from the UK and the USA). If he really wants to help them he could use political clout to help the Good Friday agreement come earlier or invest in some other industry that does matter.
I've mentioned this before, but you do realize the whole point of the Irish Campus is to create massive infusion of wealth into the country that will reduce the knock on effects of the British Occupation [and the resultant Potato Famine] by introducing an entirely new industry that will help the Irish peoples retain their cultural identity so as not to entirely rely on foreign media, to reinvigorate interest in the dwindling Irish Gaeilge language by increasing its ease of access, all the while ensuring that, by making it the Lucasfilm Unlimited EU Regional Headquarters, there will be a constant influx of talent, resources and product (films, shows, games, etc.) from across the European Union that will continually pump the local and national economy? Something that is tailored to create a population boom within Ireland that will, hopefully, both offset the population drop caused by the aforementioned British Occupation and lead to the kind of scale that completely justifies the investment?

The last attempt to do so, Bruce's attempted purchasing of Ireland's automotive companies, as we all know fell through.
Reward: James Cameron has joined Universal.
Huh...I wonder if someone'll actually die while filming Abyss this time around, or if that'll sweep under the rug like OTL.
 
I was actually thinking of making a Dancing with Wolves pitch, so maybe. You think it'd work as a Kurosawa film?
Eh, Kurosawa seems to be more interested in making original pitches or movies that can be adapted to japanese tradition. Dances with Wolves tends to be more American than anynthing else, so perhaps Ron Howard might work better here.
I've mentioned this before, but you do realize the whole point of the Irish Campus is to create massive infusion of wealth into the country that will reduce the knock on effects of the British Occupation [and the resultant Potato Famine] by introducing an entirely new industry that will help the Irish peoples retain their cultural identity so as not to entirely rely on foreign media, to reinvigorate interest in the dwindling Irish Gaeilge language by increasing its ease of access, all the while ensuring that, by making it the Lucasfilm Unlimited EU Regional Headquarters, there will be a constant influx of talent, resources and product (films, shows, games, etc.) from across the European Union that will continually pump the local and national economy? Something that is tailored to create a population boom within Ireland that will, hopefully, both offset the population drop caused by the aforementioned British Occupation and lead to the kind of scale that completely justifies the investment?
Which can be done in the same way we did in Japan, by buying a Studio, renovating it, adding a campus, and getting an experienced crew that can do their own thing, without the need of us having to hold their hand for the remaining of the game as we look for movies from Europe/Britain in order to make them profitable.

It just works better.
 
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First off, it was based on a dream of his that he had while filming his Piranha movie, so no dice there. Secondly, and I'm just going to rip off the band-aid here, this is a terrible attitude. Terminator is the film that put Cameron on the map and is straight up just his second film. A film that was made in roughly 2 years from now OTL and may be made earlier in ITTL(edit: WILL be made earlier according to Magoose), but you want to take that away from him because he's competition now? I don't want to argue with you guys over this so this is all I'm going to say about it for now and I'm not going to respond to any responses made to my post, but I despise to my core that this is the attitude y'all keep defaulting to. Not only is it the attitude of a sore loser, it's also a clear abuse of the Pitch system. In pretty much any other quest, something like this would be firmly disallowed, Magoose is just very hands off. Something to be simultaneously commended, yet also annoyed by. It honestly really frustrates me to see this be the response that so many in thread go to whenever there's some kind of stumbling block, over and over and over again.

Yeah I have to be honest, the thread is getting pretty spoiled by this point. We've had four billion dollar films under our belt, five if you include Batman, Bruce is one of the most beloved and famous celebrities on the planet, we're a billionaire, advancing tech forward, saving lives through charity, making cool anime with Dreamworks, making tabletop gaminng and Roleplay popular, and so much more. But because James Cameron is now working for Universal it's the end of the world?

In most other Quests, we would have faced a hell of a lot more hardship and not been near as successful but Magoose has been generous with us and focusing on fun. If we got every cool and talented Director to work for us only then the game would be boring as there would be no competitition and nothing pushing us to improve.

Honestly, outside of Titanic, we're not really losing much with Cameron. Dude is one of the greatest directors to be sure, but we've seen by now that Terminator is a horrendous mess of a franchise that should have ended with Two because if not then you're just repeating the same story over and over again and making it worse through sole reliance on nostalgia bait. Then there is Avatar while while visually spectacular, is a really lame and generic story that has left virtually no effect on culture at all and everyone forgets about the plot a week after seeing it.

We lost Cameron, but we'll have other Wins and move on.

I've mentioned this before, but you do realize the whole point of the Irish Campus is to create massive infusion of wealth into the country that will reduce the knock on effects of the British Occupation [and the resultant Potato Famine] by introducing an entirely new industry that will help the Irish peoples retain their cultural identity so as not to entirely rely on foreign media, to reinvigorate interest in the dwindling Irish Gaeilge language by increasing its ease of access, all the while ensuring that, by making it the Lucasfilm Unlimited EU Regional Headquarters, there will be a constant influx of talent, resources and product (films, shows, games, etc.) from across the European Union that will continually pump the local and national economy? Something that is tailored to create a population boom within Ireland that will, hopefully, both offset the population drop caused by the aforementioned British Occupation and lead to the kind of scale that completely justifies the investment?

That's ridicuously optimistic and just outright impossible. A single industry is not going to create a rennasaince in Ireland or somehow boost their population when Ireland is just experiencing the natural result of the rest of Western Europe. Why the hell would Irish actors just want to stay in Ireland when they can go to Hollywood and make it big? Why invest everything in Ireland and just ignore Hollywood? The closest national media to American pop culture and media presence across the globe are the UK, South Korea and Japan; three nations who are economic great powers and have powerful industrial economies and trade links, something little Ireland will never be even if they constantly roll nat 100s.

Ireland is an island of 7 million people, 5 in the Republic, 2 in the North. It does not have the manpower or economy to be a cultural juggernaugh and trying to make Ireland an equal to American entertainment is a folly. Let's just buy Ardmore, have Irish cinema just exist and pump out a few films and shows every year, and that's all that's needed. Sorry to break it to you, but Ireland's chance at being a cultural titan or having any kind of global presence died when the Tudors conquered the island.
 
Yeah I have to be honest, the thread is getting pretty spoiled by this point. We've had four billion dollar films under our belt, five if you include Batman, Bruce is one of the most beloved and famous celebrities on the planet, we're a billionaire, advancing tech forward, saving lives through charity, making cool anime with Dreamworks, making tabletop gaminng and Roleplay popular, and so much more. But because James Cameron is now working for Universal it's the end of the world?
Here is the thing I am going to say, so please don't make me repeat it.

You really don't want me to change the rules now...

You really don't, because if I decide to make it more quantity over quality because you want it to change... you are going to be in a bad time as you will get fucked, by every other studio in ways that will be bad and make a David Vs Goliath fight the easy mode.

So don't just make things worse for yourselves by doing this.

You really don't want me to make it harder for you. You really don't.

Because you will be looking back and saying... "Shit we should not have done that." When the wins were coming, and thinking you could win.
 
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Yeah...

We are basically being carried by being the mega hit machine right now. Blockbuster movies are a moonshot business that has quite a high minimum floor to even break even. It's just cause of the insane talent concentration that we have been able to relatively consistently score the hits to keep the ball rolling. Once things slow down, it's gonna fall apart quickly. Because we don't exactly have anything other than our super movie factory to fall back on.

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...There is one thing I have been thinking a bit about. How about taking the idea of American Arcadia and making a show or movie based on the idea?
I mean, it would be perfect if our MC plays as the actor for the hyped up 'chief of security', given the parallels of nature and the subversion of difference that our filling of the role would help mask for the big reveal of the super hyped up and scary guy just being an actor that is playing the tough guy for the cameras, because the whole escape is both planned and filmed. Which, is exposed by the sheer whiplash as all professionalism breaks due to getting a tazer in the nuts...
 
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Which can be done in the same way we did in Japan, by buying a Studio, renovating it, adding a campus, and getting an experienced crew that can do their own thing, without the need of us having to hold their hand for the remaining of the game as we look for movies from Europe/Britain in order to make them profitable.

It just works better.
Sure, but this idea up multiple times before, and if anyone had suggested before this turn, I'd have likely switched gears and centered it around that.
That's ridicuously optimistic and just outright impossible. A single industry is not going to create a rennasaince in Ireland or somehow boost their population when Ireland is just experiencing the natural result of the rest of Western Europe. Why the hell would Irish actors just want to stay in Ireland when they can go to Hollywood and make it big? Why invest everything in Ireland and just ignore Hollywood? The closest national media to American pop culture and media presence across the globe are the UK, South Korea and Japan; three nations who are economic great powers and have powerful industrial economies and trade links, something little Ireland will never be even if they constantly roll nat 100s.

Ireland is an island of 7 million people, 5 in the Republic, 2 in the North. It does not have the manpower or economy to be a cultural juggernaugh and trying to make Ireland an equal to American entertainment is a folly. Let's just buy Ardmore, have Irish cinema just exist and pump out a few films and shows every year, and that's all that's needed. Sorry to break it to you, but Ireland's chance at being a cultural titan or having any kind of global presence died when the Tudors conquered the island.
Several things, but let's start with can 'ya stop twisting my words into something I never said? Like, I know English ain't my first tongue, but many times in this quest when you've responded to me, instead of asking for clarification on something I wrote, you've responded to it in it's most negative light, like whatever it was was completely stupid or malignant, and even when I've provided what I feel are decent answers, a factory reset seems happen the next time it gets brought up and I'm left wondering why I keep giving the same answers over and over like it's Groundhogs Day, only to find out that, half the reason it was rejected was because it was phrased wrong, or an answer I gave got lost in the shuffle.

I don't think I'm asking for a lot, to be treated like I'm not an idiot, am I? [EDIT: Like, what makes you think I hadn't considered all of that about Ireland already?]

Moving on, and to give an answer I already gave, first, in no way shape or form is the introduction of the film industry meant to revitalize Ireland by itself, as I agree that would be stupidly optimistic, but that's the key word: by itself. As everyone knows, the introduction of new jobs means a boost in the local economy, which means that people will start to migrate there to take advantage of these new opportunities, and with new opportunities, means companies will start appearing to take advantage of them; I could go on about basic economics, but put simply, the Campus is meant to create a knock-on effect that will boost quality of life and lead to population boost.

It's the aftereffects, not the action itself, that are the goal.

Second, we're really gonna gloss over having the Irish HQ be our main EU Distribution center ain't we, huh?

Third, I'm not sure where you got the idea that the goal is to turn Ireland a cultural titan, "an equal to America" from, the point of my statement was about the preservation of Irish Culture and helping the Irish population recover from what was, ostensibly, a genocide, and maybe having some of the people affected by the Irish Diaspora (somewhere between 50-80 Million as of the present), return to their ancestral homeland.

Fourth, why couldn't have this been suggested way back I first proposed the Campus? I take constructive criticism, I would have changed the plan instead to acquisition a long time ago if it had. [EDIT2: Fuck it, I'll do it right now.]
--[X] Ardmore Studios [$20 Million]: Lucasfilm Unlimited is excited to announce its intention to acquire Ardmore Studios, a move that will facilitate the expansion of its operations into Europe while making a significant contribution to the Irish economy. By acquiring Ardmore Studios, Lucasfilm Unlimited aims to establish a strong foothold in Europe and leverage the studio's existing infrastructure and expertise. This strategic partnership will not only bring world-class film production capabilities to Ireland but also create numerous job opportunities and foster economic growth in the local community. Lucasfilm Unlimited is committed to supporting Ireland's creative industries and looks forward to collaborating with local talent and contributing to the flourishing entertainment sector in the country.
 
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...There is one thing I have been thinking a bit about. How about taking the idea of American Arcadia and making a show or movie based on the idea?
I mean, it would be perfect if our MC plays as the actor for the hyped up 'chief of security', given the parallels of nature and the subversion of difference that our filling of the role would help mask for the big reveal of the super hyped up and scary guy just being an actor that is playing the tough guy for the cameras, because the whole escape is both planned and filmed. Which, is exposed by the sheer whiplash as all professionalism breaks due to getting a tazer in the nuts...
This is pretty cool. It gives me "The Truman Show" vibes, so would this be something before or after said movie?
 
This is pretty cool. It gives me "The Truman Show" vibes, so would this be something before or after said movie?
Seeing as how it was made in 1998(a sufficiently far off date), Brian De Palma was originally set to direct, and Robin Williams had initially been considered for Truman... why don't we make/pitch The Truman Show? It also makes it easier to coordinate the two ideas that way.
 
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This is pretty cool. It gives me "The Truman Show" vibes, so would this be something before or after said movie?
...Honestly, I didn't really know that movie existed. 😅
And, honestly, American Arcadia seems to kinda be basically the Truman Show taken up to eleven.

Like why have only have 1 Truman, when you could have hundreds of different Trumans? And direct story wise, the core arc of the American Arcadia game even has the two protags being in a similar situation but different backstory. One that lived on the set unknowing all his life, and the other, an activist from the outside hired as part of the crew operating the City set, whom unknowingly is not as unknown to the heads of the company as she might think.
 
Seeing as how it was made in 1998(a sufficiently far off date), Brian De Palma was originally set to direct, and Robin Williams had initially been considered for Truman... why don't we make/pitch The Truman Show? It also makes it easier to coordinate the two ideas that way.
Sounds like a good idea. I'll work on a Pitch after I finish my current one.
...Honestly, I didn't really know that movie existed. 😅
And, honestly, American Arcadia seems to kinda be basically the Truman Show taken up to eleven.

Like why have only have 1 Truman, when you could have hundreds of different Trumans? And direct story wise, the core arc of the American Arcadia game even has the two protags being in a similar situation but different backstory. One that lived on the set unknowing all his life, and the other, an activist from the outside hired as part of the crew operating the City set, whom unknowingly is not as unknown to the heads of the company as she might think.
I don't know if we should make them be part of the same universe or just make thems eparate films with nothng to do with each other, But I do hope both can be made at some point.
 
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