Lights... Camera... ACTION!!: A Hollywood Quest

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT
Hi Magoose here one of the guys helping Duke.

So we have some bad news.

The quest has been canceled as duke does not want to write it anymore.

I'm going to ask if I can take over for it, because I like this quest, and it would be a shame to kill it
TBF, Mags, you have been doing a lot of the heavylifting for the quest, so this will be in good hands. :)

To be clear to everyone, this is just me burning out on imagination of the quest, since my muse has been hitting me over the head a lot with so many different ideas that I just can't find myself too interested in this.

I'll still hang out here, though, since this still does have a sepcial place in my heart.

I'd like to thank you all for making this a wonderful experience while it lasted.

I'd also like to thank @Magoose, @Fluffy_serpent, and @Martin Noctis for doing so much to help prepare and write this quest. I couldn't have done it without you all. :D

I'll see you all around.

With so many regards, Duke William Of.
 
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[X] Plan Batman Begins

Just out of curiosity, can someone do Matk Hamil, deciding to audition for Gundam?
Not saying he should necessarily do any voice-work on it, mind, just that the omake-fuel is right there.
 
Possibly but you may need to put them all in one place.
Alright. Here:
Hmm, I'm in a dilemma. Thinking over what we'll be doing for the Dune movie (taking the 2021 adaptation with parts from the 2000 miniseries) I find myself thinking about the character of Paul. I have to admit, the 2021 adaptation made him more faithful to the books, which is always a plus, while also humanizing both him and his family a great deal better than shown in said book. However, the character is a bit too much of a downer, and while that is usually fine, I don't know how the audience will react to it.

On the other hand, the 2000 Dune miniseries has Paul act more rebellious and cocky, which while a departure from his character in the books, makes him a delight to watch, not to mention that seeing the originally arrogant brat grow into the Messiah like figure of the Fremen, Muad'dib, is one of the main reasons why I loved it so much, and why I raged when I first saw the 1984 movie believing it to be the miniseries.

So, I guess I'm putting this forward, when the time comes for the film to be made (closer than we think if the tech advance is as good as expected) do you think we should go with the Paul from the 2021 adaptation, or the Paul from the 2000 miniseries? I'm going with the latter for the reasons stated above, but what are your opinions guys?
Yes, I figure than rather than just having it be a copy of 2021 Dune we could take what works from both. Paul's character is one, the overall tone is another. I mean, that perhaps rather than keeping it all be dark and somber all the time, perhaps we could add a bit of levity and color (not bright and garish, but tasteful) in some, while not taking away the gravitas of the situation or place.

Take the fight between Gurny and Paul for an example. A perfect encapsulation where there is clearly tension and a heavy mood, but add to that Paul's more arrogant character, and it improves it in my opinion.

Baron Harkonnen is another example; the 2000 Miniseries has him as the perfect mix between a scheeming mastermind, and a loquacious exasperated man. I love this rendition of him, but I love the 2021 rendition as well. He's just so sinister, so dark in every deed, action and word that it brings chills to my spine whenever I see him.

On that character we will have to select one or the other, because I don't see a way to reconcile them both.
So... anyways, might as well try and speak a bit more about Dune.

So, one of the things I also liked about the 2000 miniseries was how they handled the entire plot about the traitor and the fall of House Atreides.

From the beginning we know there is a traitor, but the way they put everything it's like a true mystery where you don't know who is going to be from the beginning. Both the book, the 1984 version, and the 2021 version had me thinking that it was Yueh before the act was done, mostly because most of them just outright told it so.

But the Miniseries instead teased you about it; They said there was a traitor, then they discussed everyone before dismissing them or starting to doubt all. Hell, at one point Paul starts recriminating his father that this is how a House Falls, with suspicions and distrust from within. You doubted Gurney and Yueh in the same way, since they gave very good reasons from the start, and even when Gurney showed he was loyal you never thought of Yueh, because aside from a small bit about missing his wife there is hardly anything suspicious about him. He's just in the background, so when the betrayal happens you can only think "Wha...! How?!".

The same could be said about the emperor. From the beginning in movies and books you know he has no love for House Atreides, but the Miniseries downplays this information without contradicting it. There are many mentions about how one should be careful of being too popular like Duke Leto, and how many Houses are displeased with his rise in power, all along with messages of how the emperor has great esteem for Duke Leto (which is true), and even a scene where the emperor himself mentions how they should send a token of love and affection to House Atreides.

But here's the thing, at the same time these are things that can also be interpreted as the emperor being in on it; They are also a House (House Corrino to be exact), they are also jealous of Leto's popularity, Duke Leto himself mentions in passing to Paul that even the emperor could be their enemy. Heck, the Emperor before mentioning sending said token of love and esteem says it's too bad they can't marry Princess Irulan to Paul. You at first dismiss it, thinking it's because they are in Arrakis, but after the betrayal you can only go "Ohhh, that's what he meant!".

And finally, the one part they did amazingly, was add the Princess herself making a visit to the planet just before the coup. It lulled you into a sense of security, thinking "No way are they going to attack now" or even "She's probably going to be kidnapped", but no, she comes, she meets Paul, they have an interesting meeting that hints at a romantic sub-plot between them, then leaves, with her Sardoukar.

Or does she? Are the Sardoukar she came with the same ones that aided Baron Harkonnen? That alone kept me more than invested when the fall of House Atreides (which was all too brief, that was a failure but an understandable one) happened.

The miniseries made this part a mystery, an enjoyable one, even if they did not address the parts in the book where Jessica and Thufid grew to distrust each other, but I think that alone allowed to conduct a much better one, that truly surprised you when the time came.
So... let's continue.

On Princess Irulan and Chani; Well, I can't say much about them when it comes to the 2021 adaptation, as the former made no appearance in Part 1, and Chani made some brief appearances just near the end. Yet I think we can find something very interesting when we see how they were treated in comparison to the books, the 1984 movie, and the 2000 Mini Series.

Starting with Princess Irulan, the original book of Dune seems to use her mostly as narrator, as many of the quotes used in chapters have her as the author of the books, she herself quotes. She hardly makes an appearance in the original Dune as well, with most of her character development and relevance happening in Dune: Messiah. The 1984 movie follows this trend, but places her as narrator only for the beginning of the movie, where she has to give a 2-minute exposition about the entirety of the Dune universe rather than letting it happen organically. So basically, we are brought about, having to understand terms like "Spacing Guild" or "Bene Gesserit" or the entire political landscape in a 2-minute spiel, and then launched to the movie itself. Now, to be fair, this was something that David Lynch himself was against, but was mandated by Studio Executives, so I won't hold it against him.

It's the 2000 Miniseries that does something unique with her; she's actually a character, with her own wants, desires, and motivations. Though at first treated as a pawn by her father, the emperor, she does not meekly accept it, but rather resolves herself to become something more. She investigates the fall of House Atreides, she uncovers the Harkonnen plot against House Corrino (putting herself in great danger by seducing Feyd Rautha Harkonnen and discovering the actions taken against House Atreides) and becomes an actual player and someone that the emperor listens to near the end. That her first appearance also shows her more gentle and fragile side when she goes to Arrakis and speaks to Paul makes her a more complex, and likeable, character, as we can also see her grow, like Paul did, under the pressures of life, if under different circumstances.

Frankly, Princess Irulan in the 2000 miniseries is a more assertive, independent, and growing character that, much like Paul, manages to go through hardship and learns how to take control of her life. We could use this for the movie.

Chani is an interesting example n how different she's put in the different adaptations. In the Dune books she is mentioned on many occasions, and her appearances and interactions with Paul, though mentioned, are not expanded, nor given that much attention. It is clear that they love each other, but Paul's journey takes precedence over everything there. The 1984 adaptation goes a bit deeper into how much they care for each other, but then again it is also a faithful adaptation of the books. Chani, besides being Paul's companion, and a Fremen fighter, does not seem to add anything else. Nevertheless, both the book and the 1984 movie adaptation managed to make Chani a fun and likeable character. This will be important later on.

Chani's 2000 Miniseries adaptation, and the 2021 adaptation, seem almost complete opposites in a way yet both managed to expand on the character through minimal actions that made us think and made us imply more about her through them.

Starting with the 2000 miniseries, Chani's first appearance is when she surprises Paul and manages to hold him prisoner, if only temporarily as Stilgar allows him and his mother to join them. From this encounter, we know she's a skilled warrior, as Paul had defeated other Fremen before her. Through the rest of the series we don't see her fight more, even though she clearly accompanies Paul and the rest on some more missions, as the series makes a point in focusing on her more as a woman, an advisor, and Paul's companion than a fighter. That does not mean she does not fight though, as we are shown the end result of someone trying to face Paul, and she quickly dispatched him. Overall, this Chani is likeable, she shows herself as strong, resourceful, a caring mother, a counsellor, and not afraid of letting herself speak. It does play a bit too hard on the maiden in love angle, but not to the detriment of the character or the story.

The 2021 adaptation...well, we only got a few minutes of Chani, and her actions and words. Yet through them we can see that Chani is a more jaded and cynical individual than her previous adaptations. Clearly a strong fighter, and from what the trailers indicate she will continue in this trend through the second part of the movie. One of the elements shown is that she clearly shows no sign, nor desire, to see Paul join with the Fremen. Perhaps it's my imagination, but the scene where she gives Paul her knife to fight, then tells him it's so that he doesn't die unarmed (which is already quite morbid) is made all the worse as she has this tone not of disinterest, but more like vindictive glee, like he's going to die and she will enjoy it. That's the kind of thing that sticks with you, and makes me wonder how the hell are they planning to pair the two of them in the next section.

Frankly, I much prefer the Chani of the 200 miniseries, but I can see some flaws in said adaptation as well. Chani would have been better served as showing more of her skills as a fighter as well as a mother, she could also have been the one to train Paul, thereby allowing them more time together to connect and bond. Overall, if we could make it so that the 2021 Chani's skills are added to the 2000 Chani personality with the changes I already suggested, then the character would work much better.
Alright, this is all I've been able to do so far. If anyone else has any idea about what to add in the movie, or perhaps what could be changed, please let me know and let's discuss it.
 
Brian is actually not doing anything because nothing interested him.

Well there's two options that Brian could have done. One of them is him doing Dressed to Kill since he wrote the film and it came out in 1980 OTL so this is actually roughly on track with what he did OTL:

The other is for Brian to do an adaptation of The Demolished Man, something he's been wanting to do for years but never had the monetary backing or support to do so, something he can easily do here with Bruce's help:

Also just to be clear, you're okay with me adding the Gundam option to the plan as the 11th action so long as we clarify to let Tomino take care of it, or should I just take it off?

Fair enough. I agree that I think it can be difficult to distinguish her enough from Lois Lane, since she was literally made as a copy of Lois Lane for Batman, and that her character can easily suffer for it. Although, I don't agree with the idea that it's "extremely hard" to do a story with her without it being just a copy of Superman and Lois or "just having Vicki be shallow," but this is ultimately just me being pedantic. Ultimately, I think Vicki works best by having her not remain a girlfriend for Bruce for too long and having their relationship fail in the end. I think their separation and it ultimately not working is something that is necessary to distinguish their relationship from Clark's with Lois.

I don't really think I agree with this, mostly because I think Jim being with anyone else is just fucking weird to me. I think Jim being already married with his kids and his struggles to protect the city and this leading to him ultimately neglecting his family because of his overwork and dedication, ultimately turning a virtue of his into a deep flaw when viewed through an alternate lense, is something that is central to his character and he kind of suffers for lack of it IMO. At the end of the day though, it's fine and not that big of a deal.

I know this will almost certainly be super controversial for me to say, but I think Selina as a love interest and as a character(in general, not in regards to the pitch) is phenomenally overrated.

I've always been more of a Zatanna simp anyway lol(Although I do recognize that they don't really work as a long term couple. I just really like Zatanna).

I understand what you're probably aiming for, but as an aside, I fucking hate what this mindset has done to the character of Batman in these past years. "Batman can't be happy because then he's not Batman so let's make him fucking miserable 24/7!" It's fucking Spiderman all over again. Frankly, I think the better approach using this same general framework is less a struggle between being Batman and being happy, which implies that he's unhappy being Batman or that it doesn't bring him joy or fulfillment which I don't believe is true for a damn second, and instead should be framed as being torn between "The Mission" and himself and which will he begin to put first as he grows older. Will he continue his crusade until it kills him or can he allow others to take his place? Does he need to be the one to do it? Will he continue being Batman for the city, or will he be Batman for himself? Can he be Batman for himself? Would he like to have a life beyond being Batman? Can he? Would he like to settle down? Things like that I think contribute far more to his character than "Durrr Batman only Big Sad or no Batman."

Would you like to help me with the Omake? I think it would be pretty freaking cute and funny and Rugrats is just awesome and would make a great animated addition to the Lucasfilm lineup.


Agreed
Oh, hell yes, so much this.
One of the reasons Robins exists, but especially our boy Dick, is to be an organic break against Bruce's self-destructive tendencies.
I love the idea that Bruce originally made Dick Robin, explicitly to stop him from following Bruce's own descent into 'dark' mentality.
And, thusly, I absolutely loathe all the hacks who try to portray Bruce as abusive and intentionally training child soldiers for 'The Mission'.
#batfambestfam, #bumblingdadbruce
That is a hill I plant my flag upon, and that is a hill on which I am ready to die!
I absolutely agree with you on the whole Batman/Spider-Man can't be happy stupidity, but I think there's a way one can do this properly. Namely, have Batman/Spider-Man actually get out of that mentality.

It's absolutely fine for them to feel that way in the start, but they must eventually grow out of feeling that way and be able to find true happiness. I think that's why Renew Your Vows and Nick Spencer's run was so well-received, because it had Peter get the girl and a happy life.

And then...

He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named
I agree. At the same time I think we need to show how Bruce grows out of that mentality. Perhaps in future installments we can have him opening up to Dick Grayson and Barbara Gordon, learning that he can follow the path of Batman and not be alone nor abandon the mission.

At the same time, i don't think a relationship with Catwoman would ever work. Selina may be shown as an Anti-Hero nowadays, but she's also a criminal, and though I can see some relationship being formed, and some complexity because of it, in the end Batman would fight her and bring her to justice, no qualms about it.

Okay to clarify on all of this, I do want Bruce to be happy and still be Batman. The reason I worded it as such was because I kind of had Mask of the Phantasm taking headspace while writing that post and I didn't mean that the conclusion was him choosing one or the other, but him being forced with that dilemna and then growing as a person and as Batman so he doesn't have to treat Batman as a cross he needs to carry alone like Batman generally tends to. My favorite depictions of Batman are when he opens up to others and embraces friends and family; big examples being Justice League Unlimited, Lego Batman movie and Wayne Family Adventures. So yeah, Bruce should get to that ending with growth and personal happiness like Superman has.

As for Selina, I can see where some of the opponents are coming from. The trouble is that unlike Spiderman who must always have love interests, Bruce only has Selina and Talia. Talia is toxic AF, and Selina can work out but before they logically form a long lasting relationship, status quo bullshit comes in and messes everything up. Selina tends to have great chemistry with him and if we actually showed Bruce reforming her to be a hero or at least end her days as a thief it can be great. Also she's like his main love interest for 90% of media.

The only other one I can think of who would work great is Wonder Woman, and as fun as it would be to have an on-screen romance with Linda Hamilton's Wonder Woman, I don't know if things would line up for that. Maybe we can make an OC or Bruce stays single and just finds found family? I don't know.

@Kaiser Chris
@Poke_verse made a really comprehensive post for the Preparing for Ali action. Have you taken that in consideration for your Plan or did you choose against it?

Sorry I completely missed that post. I can include it, although we don't need to be super detailed on the process considering we just chose the options for the Olympics and we smashed there. But if people want it then I'll add it. Not the tactics though, we should save that for the actual fight.
 
Bruce only has Selina and Talia.
That's not true in the slightest. He has a ton of love interests, but those are just the most enduring ones. He also has people like Vicki Vale(duh, considering we talked about her), Vesper Fairchild, Silver St. Cloud, Sasha Bordeaux, Andrea Beaumont(of course, Mask of the Phantasm and all) Julie Madison, Julia Pennyworth, Zatanna, Wonder Woman, Poison Ivy(she used to be pretty interested in him), and the one we all know but kind of just try to forget(*cough Barbara Gordon*cough) among a bunch of others. He actually has quite a few, it's just that many of them have fallen out of the public consciousness and aren't used anywhere near as frequently as Talia and Selina.
 
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That's not true in the slightest. He has a ton of love interests, but those are just the most enduring ones. He also has people like Vicki Vale(duh, considering we talked about her), Vesper Fairchild, Silver St. Cloud, Sasha Bordeaux, Andrea Beaumont(of course, Mask of the Phantasm and all) Julie Madison, Julia Pennyworth, Zatanna, Wonder Woman, Poison Ivy(she used to be pretty interested in him), and the one we all know but kind of just try to forget(*cough Barbara Gordon*cough) among a bunch of others. He actually has quite a few, it's just that many of them have fallen out of the public consciousness and aren't used anywhere near as frequently as Talia and Selina.

Yeah okay that's fair. But it'd be a hard sell to go for one of the more obscure ones, though I guess if we put in enough effort anything's possible. I don't know, at this point if anyone presents a really good Bruce love interest that isn't Talia I'm fair game.

Also this might just be me, but somewhere within this Quest I want for there to be a Spider-Man show or movie where he's with Sophia Sandoval. This living saint deserves to be in the spotlight for more than just one obscure comic as Peter's true love:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBjPB4Fclas
 
Yeah okay that's fair. But it'd be a hard sell to go for one of the more obscure ones, though I guess if we put in enough effort anything's possible. I don't know, at this point if anyone presents a really good Bruce love interest that isn't Talia I'm fair game.
Well, they're only really obscure nowadays, but some of them were decently popular and had decent runs. Julie Madison was Batman's first love interest, Vicki Vale had a decent stretch of time she was with Bruce, Silver St. Cloud was pretty popular during her time IIRC. Some of the others are more recent though, so they obviously wouldn't work here unless we invented their character in-quest. I think Silver could work considering she's actually been just recently created in-quest during Steve Englehart's run of Batman. Julie Madison could also work though, considering she was the first love interest and would be a fairly inoffensive choice I imagine. Selina still works though. Although out of these choices, I favor Silver St. Cloud.
 
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Yeah okay that's fair. But it'd be a hard sell to go for one of the more obscure ones, though I guess if we put in enough effort anything's possible. I don't know, at this point if anyone presents a really good Bruce love interest that isn't Talia I'm fair game.

Also this might just be me, but somewhere within this Quest I want for there to be a Spider-Man show or movie where he's with Sophia Sandoval. This living saint deserves to be in the spotlight for more than just one obscure comic as Peter's true love:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBjPB4Fclas
I disagree with that video. Peter and Mary Jane's love story had been building up inthe comics for near a decade or more before it was fully realized, and I will not let that be stopped like Quesada did in OTL.

But I agree with the idea that Burce can be shown to grow into letting someone in with time. So long as it's not Selina. I'm sorry but the latest intepretations of her have soured me on the character. Hell, at this point I would go for the crazy time where the animated series implied Batman and Batgirl than her.

I did like Mask of the Phantasm, tooo bad we can't adapt it into a movie. I would like to keep on making Batman movies though. Perhaps we can introduce Sasha Bordeaux at some point, I did like her character arc and her interaction with Bruce were amazing.
 
I disagree with that video. Peter and Mary Jane's love story had been building up inthe comics for near a decade or more before it was fully realized, and I will not let that be stopped like Quesada did in OTL.
Here's how I generally think of the Spiderman love interests. Gwen and Peter must be together and they end up working very well together, and then she dies. Spiderman grieves for a long time and is struggling to move past Gwen. Then he meets MJ and she helps him get back into things and recover. They eventually end up together and they remain together. Black Cat remains as a teenage crush and Silk remains the object of all of our what-ifs. As much as I like Silk, she really doesn't need to be there. Everyone else can go pound sand.
 
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As a ship tease, can we have Carrie in a brief blink and you miss it role in the film? the audience would go wild assuming her to be the love interest. That said it would be kinda nice if Bruce anytime he has a onscreen serious love interest it is Carrie.

if that route is taken perhaps we ask Carrie waht role she might be interested in palying in a future Batman movie. Does she want to be Cat woman?
 
As a ship tease, can we have Carrie in a brief blink and you miss it role in the film? the audience would go wild assuming her to be the love interest. That said it would be kinda nice if Bruce anytime he has a onscreen serious love interest it is Carrie.

if that route is taken perhaps we ask Carrie waht role she might be interested in palying in a future Batman movie. Does she want to be Cat woman?
I think we shouldn't be trying to do that for all of our roles generally speaking. She's already there with us for Star Wars, Five Dates, and I believe a fair few pitches IIRC. It just starts to feel a bit played out is all.
 
As a ship tease, can we have Carrie in a brief blink and you miss it role in the film? the audience would go wild assuming her to be the love interest. That said it would be kinda nice if Bruce anytime he has a onscreen serious love interest it is Carrie.

if that route is taken perhaps we ask Carrie waht role she might be interested in palying in a future Batman movie. Does she want to be Cat woman?
Carrie is kinda busy raising Mary and she won't be doing much acting beside Star Wars for now.
 
I disagree with that video. Peter and Mary Jane's love story had been building up inthe comics for near a decade or more before it was fully realized, and I will not let that be stopped like Quesada did in OTL.
Here's how I generally think of the Spiderman love interests. Gwen and Peter must be together and they end up working very well together, and then she dies. Spiderman grieves for a long time and is struggling to move past Gwen. Then he meets MJ and she helps him get back into things and recover. They eventually end up together and they remain together. Black Cat remains as a teenage crush and Silk remains the object of all of our what-ifs. As much as I like Silk, she really doesn't need to be there. Everyone else can go pound sand.
...Heads up, you might not quite like the direction I'm steering Spider-Man Noir towards, then. :V

Full stop, MJ is not going to be a love interest to Peter at all. They'll be great friends but never actually date.

Some love interests that will have their time but are not endgame are Black Cat, as already mentioned, and Gwen Stacy. I plan for Gwen and Peter's breakup to be a little awkward but amicable, with them remaining great friends after, and you already know what I intend for Black Cat.

The endgame love interest for Spider-Man Noir will be Kitty Pryde, with her serving as a Spider-Man's vigilante partner Shadowcat. Like if Chat Noir from Miraculous wasn't constantly sidelined and treated like a joke. :V

On Silk, I'm actually not intetested in her having anything to do with Spidey. And the less we talk about the Totems and tantric energy nonsense, the better. :V

In my mind, she's a child assassin with mystical spider powers molded by the Hand into the perfect weapon. She's initially mentored by Elektra before the latter entrusts her to Daredevil to keep safe. Now, Matt has to basically foster a child assassin and explain to her why they can't just murder people while also grappling with his own morality and issues.

Think of her like Cassandra Cain, with the two sharing a Lone Wolf, Baby Cub type of dynamic. Except the Baby Cub has a knife and will not hesitate to use it. :V
 
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Say guys when are we doing our undertale pitch
I know I shouldn't do this and should just ignore it, but at this point, I don't care if I get a staff warning for this or something because I can't fucking deal with this anymore so at this point, I'm going to ask that you shut the fuck up. I have already told you numerous fucking times that I am working on the pitch and you have repeatedly ignored this in favor of repeatedly asking for "someone" to do the Undertale pitch, as if I didn't just fucking tell you that I'm working on it. I don't fucking need this right now. I have sacrificed sleep to try and get it to you guys. I literally failed my summer college class to try and fucking deliver it to you guys at the highest quality that I can. I don't fucking need this right now. I'm already feeling like shit from being cooped up for hours in the bathroom shitting my brains out, damn near pissing out of my ass in excruciating pain, starting to feel better, drinking water and eating saltines to try and feel better, feeling worse, shitting more, damn near passing out, find that I'm bleeding, and STILL FEEL LIKE SHIT. I come onto here to try and distract myself and I see this fucking rude as fuck shit that you KEEP. FUCKING. DOING. Go fuck yourself. Make one your fucking self if you want it so bad.

Sorry to everyone else about the TMI. I'm going to go read, listen to music, and eat some gummy bears to try and calm down.
 
I think we shouldn't be trying to do that for all of our roles generally speaking. She's already there with us for Star Wars, Five Dates, and I believe a fair few pitches IIRC. It just starts to feel a bit played out is all.

Carrie is kinda busy raising Mary and she won't be doing much acting beside Star Wars for now.

Yeah i see the issue.

Being a parent and more imortantly not being her parents is far more important.
 
...Heads up, you might not quite like the direction I'm steering Spider-Man Noir towards, then. :V

Full stop, MJ is not going to be a love interest to Peter at all. They'll be great friends but never actually date.

Some love interests that will have their time but are not endgame are Black Cat, as already mentioned, and Gwen Stacy. I plan for Gwen and Peter's breakup to be a little awkward but amicable, with them remaining great friends after, and you already know what I intend for Black Cat.

The endgame love interest for Spider-Man Noir will be Kitty Pryde, with her serving as a Spider-Man's vigilante partner Shadowcat. Like if Chat Noir from Miraculous wasn't constantly sidelined and treated like a joke. :V

On Silk, I'm actually not intetested in her having anything to do with Spidey. And the less we talk about the Totems and tantric energy nonsense, the better. :V

In my mind, she's a child assassin with mystical spider powers molded by the Hand into the perfect weapon. She's initially mentored by Elektra before the latter entrusts her to Daredevil to keep safe. Now, Matt has to basically foster a child assassin and explain to her why they can't just murder people while also grappling with his own morality and issues.

Think of her like Cassandra Cain, with the two sharing a Lone Wolf, Baby Cub type of dynamic. Except the Baby Cub has a knife and will not hesitate to use it. :V
Oddly enough, I can accept this.

This is Marvel Noir, not Universe 616 Marvel. Besides, I did like the pairing in the Ultimate Line, it seemed to fit well there.
 
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