TBF, Mags, you have been doing a lot of the heavylifting for the quest, so this will be in good hands.
To be clear to everyone, this is just me burning out on imagination of the quest, since my muse has been hitting me over the head a lot with so many different ideas that I just can't find myself too interested in this.
I'll still hang out here, though, since this still does have a sepcial place in my heart.
I'd like to thank you all for making this a wonderful experience while it lasted.
I'd also like to thank @Magoose, @Fluffy_serpent, and @Martin Noctis for doing so much to help prepare and write this quest. I couldn't have done it without you all.
so just for the sake of clarity, what I'm asking about is what does "developing them further" entail? How do we go about doing that and what does that process look like? And what do you mean "you do not have a good enough one?" Good enough what?
War of the Worlds Directed by: Charles "Chuck" Martin Jones
Produced by: Roy E. Disney
Distribution: Walt Disney Productions
Starring: Vincent Price (The Narrator), Bob Flynn (The Artilleryman), John McIntire (The Curate), Bob Newhart (The Narrator's Brother), Jim Jordan (Ogilvy), Brian Bedford (Henderson), Phil Harris (Stent), Bernard Fox (Lord Hilton), Eva Gabor (The Narrator's Wife) and Michael York (The Captain of the HMS Thunderchild).
Walt Disney Productions Budget: $25,000,000 Walt Disney Productions Profits: $543,221,118
You remember your first and last meeting with Roy Disney, back then when Warner had died not with bang but with a whimper, and like jackals you and all the rest of the studios in town had gathered to feast in its fat carcass. You and Mike managed to get some of the leftovers, while Roy managed to surprise everyone and take one if the big, juice parts; the entirety of the animation department and the rights to all its characters. You'd gone to congratulate him, hear his thoughts about what the plans were for such an iconic brand, and left somewhat disappointed hearing how animation in Disney had fallen so far, to the point of being considered an afterthought, something that perhaps no longer had a place in the company.
Perhaps if you hadn't heard such a depression proclamation, you'd have refrained yourself from making one of your own; how you'd soon be making your own animation studios, and dethrone Disney from its own pedestal. It was brash, it served no purpose, but you couldn't help yourself. Disney, the company who practically redefined animation, showed the path and set the bar for quality, becoming just another victim of not seeing the art and story, losing to inertia and stagnation without a Walt to show them the way...better that it die facing the new generation than just as Warner did; alone and forgotten.
You just never expected for Disney to pull an Elvis on you. For the King had come back to defend its throne, and was not yet ready to give it up without a fight.
It all started when you first founded DreamWorks, when you got your first round of defectors from Disney who'd talked to you about the layoffs, the restructuring, and news of Roy Disney with Chuck Jones themselves working at something that they hoped would revitalize the animation department at Disney. Then came news of changes in Disney's Board, the future of both Live Action films and animation, and a future animated adaptation based on H.G. Wells' War of the Worlds.
That...that blew your mind completely out.
It was so against everything and anything that may have come out of Disney that for a moment your mind tries to deny it when you got the info. As time passed, as your animation department grew and took jobs with both PBS and Sunrise to better train them and be ready for your first theatrical debut...the news from Disney never changed. Only promotions and media showing small snippets here and there that just hyped up the movie into something truly groundbreaking; the first Disney animated movie not based on a Fairy Tale, the first movie that would have a more mature tone (if not one that would ape Ralph Bakshi's films...and you still had to talk with Mike about that LotR movie!), and a movie that if what you were seeing is true, would make up for all the losses incurred in the department from the death of Walt himself till now.
Disney was set to make an explosive return, and by God, they didn't fumble it.
War of the Worlds was everything one could expect from an adaptation, and more. Outside of Lucasfilms, it was the most faithful, the most beautiful, and the bets acted that has been shown so far. The film looks fabulous, the atmosphere, the cell drawings, the animation is all on top form. You remember stories Don told you of how they were forced to use the same cell animations as the time of Walt just because it was from that time. Well, nothing of that was seen here, everything was smooth, new, completely original, accompanied by a magnificent score both rousing and spooky. There's genuine suspense and scares through the entire movie, something you'd never thought you'd say about it before.
Vincent Price makes for a magnificent narrator that when accompanied with the animation and atmosphere turns it into a master class in horror. Bob Flynn managed to play the self-serving, cowardly artilleryman to a T, his voice giving the cowardly man a despicable quality that both made you hate him, and fear for if you ever met him. There's so many great moments which are filled with unnerving suspense and scary chills. Truly imaginative details like the burning of London, the Tripod scenes and the river of the dead bodies burning after the destruction of the HMS Thunderchild. All of these will live in your memory, and those of the audience, for a long, long time.
Audience and critics alike joined hands together in order to praise the movie, calling it a " New film for a new generation". Ebert is calling it a "bold move, and an excellent example of craftmanship worthy of the House that Walt built". Earnings for the movie have passed the half a billion mark (Despite their budget being greater than anything they've ever tried before) and there's even talk of another Oscar for Disney, the only one after Snow White!
As for your animators, well, they are furious...at Disney! From what Don's told you (when you can catch him away from Hiawatha and his project) They spent nearly their entire lives working under that company telling them again and again for the need to innovate, to create something new, to basically do the same thing they're doing now...and their reward was to be belittled, ignored, or in many cases outright fired! To see Disney putting forth this, to see them mock them so blatantly when they finally have a chance to make something great...!
They will not stand for this. Disney through the gauntlet at them, and that has lit a fire under all. John and Ron have been working in their off time for more ideas and improving their story of Aladdin, Don is talking about a new adaptation after Hiawatha is done, while nearly every animator that once had to work with Disney is giving 110% in their efforts, if only to show them in the next feature film.
It seems that whether you wanted it or not, an animation war had begun.
You know honestly I consider this to be an absolute win, even if it managed to revive Disney and catapult them out of the Dark Age. Sure we got another strong competitor and Dreamworks isn't going to have a monopoly on animation, but what's most important is the huge cultural impact that War of the Worlds is going to have on the perception of Animation in the West. No longer is animation just princesses, fairy tales, and silly talking animals. The House of Mouse did a full departure from Walt's style of films by creating a serious science fiction war film that doesn't hold your hand or spare you on the gruesome details. And yet in spite of all of this and a complete 180 from Disney, it was a complete and total success with both audiences and critics falling in love with the film and half a billion dollars were made. Had War of the Worlds been released OTL, it would have beaten Star Wars as the highest grossing film and would remain the Highest grossing animated film until The Lion King. Just as Overmind wrote, this is literally on the same level as Snow White in terms of animation impact. Disney finally made a mature animated film that people are talking about in the same conversation as The Godfather, Some Nights and Star Wars.
Perhaps most important besides the success is that there's seemingly no pushback. Not only were audiences and critics in love with it, there was no hints of any controversy or opposition from even the Moralists. This shows that not only can mature animation be successful, but even if it's not a mega success you can still make it and not receive condemnation and scandal. This is what we need to promote Gundam to American audiences. You've already got the enticement of Gundam with Star Wars with Robots, but we can point to Lucy or any other TV heads that if America is okay with Disney's animated science fiction war film, then why not Lucasfilms' science fiction war anime series?
Now most importantly, we're going to start the path to animation becoming mainstream like OTL 2020's and Western animation can finally take risks and start telling mature stories or exploring new themes instead of doing princesses and animals. Disney may have made history in film animation, but we're going to make history in TV animation with Gundam and we now have the greenlight to be bolder and better.
Also if we can I'm going to be pushing for distribution of Anime movies in the near future. Toho is about to make the Lupin III anime films and Toei is producing some bangers with Galaxy Express 999 and Space Battleship Yamato.
Lastly in regards to Disney, I have to wonder just what kind of War of the Worlds ride they're going to make because you just know they're gonna build in both Anaheim and Orlando. Also with this new cash flush, maybe Roy and Ron are going to build Epcot closer to Walt's vision.
It's probably more me than you, but I don't think I really understand what you're saying here.
The House of Ideas says this,
so just for the sake of clarity, what I'm asking about is what does "developing them further" entail? How do we go about doing that and what does that process look like? And what do you mean "you do not have a good enough one?" Good enough what?
Starting to develop a pitch will keep it only at that 50 quality at the start. That 50 is from the house of ideas, and that is what you will have at all scripts at all times. if the roll for developing is good enough, there will be a d100 quality roll added to it. Now that since Bruce is not part of the writer's room, nor is he actually skilled as a scriptwriter, he will not have any bonuses.
at a certain point in the development of the script, I use the Writing skill that whoever writes the script (In this instance) Bruce, to see if he can develop it further, and give it another d100 to quality, or if it is impossible with that level of skill.
At a certain script quality, Bruce's Writing skill will be used to see if it can be developed further. It is below 50, will not allow him to do that, and taking that action again will not develop the script with a d100.
I changed the way I develop pitches with Bruce due to the House of Ideas granting that kind of boost.
No longer is animation just princesses, fairy tales, and silly talking animals. The House of Mouse did a full departure from Walt's style of films by creating a serious science fiction war film that doesn't hold your hand or spare you on the gruesome details.
Well its less the house of the mouse and more like the Warner Bro's Team that have started to come into leadership after the merger started to have their new ideas be used, and having the balls and the funding to do it.
The reason War of the Worlds was chosen was a simple reason. It's one of the most oldest, and popular science fiction books in the world, and easily one of the great western english sci fi books that aren't from the 50's. And the tale itself is a simple one, and it ends with a rather... bittersweet, almost happy ending even if one looks at it that way.
But the powerstruggle between the old guard of disney and the new Warner people are going to be interesting.
And yet in spite of all of this and a complete 180 from Disney, it was a complete and total success with both audiences and critics falling in love with the film and half a billion dollars were made.
It's not even that they went a 180. They had an entire other animation studio that joined them that was different from Walts vision. They consider it the other half.
Had War of the Worlds been released OTL, it would have beaten Star Wars as the highest grossing film and would remain the Highest grossing animated film until The Lion King. Just as Overmind wrote, this is literally on the same level as Snow White in terms of animation impact. Disney finally made a mature animated film that people are talking about in the same conversation as The Godfather, Some Nights and Star Wars.
Well actually, I'm not saying there wasn't because there is a good reason for that.
Everyone knew War of the Worlds was not going to be downgraded, or disnified, because it would have taken away from the story itself. And even Disney would not take that kind of risk.
Now most importantly, we're going to start the path to animation becoming mainstream like OTL 2020's and Western animation can finally take risks and start telling mature stories or exploring new themes instead of doing princesses and animals. Disney may have made history in film animation, but we're going to make history in TV animation with Gundam and we now have the greenlight to be bolder and better.
Lastly in regards to Disney, I have to wonder just what kind of War of the Worlds ride they're going to make because you just know they're gonna build in both Anaheim and Orlando. Also with this new cash flush, maybe Roy and Ron are going to build Epcot closer to Walt's vision.
Well its less the house of the mouse and more like the Warner Bro's Team that have started to come into leadership after the merger started to have their new ideas be used, and having the balls and the funding to do it.
The reason War of the Worlds was chosen was a simple reason. It's one of the most oldest, and popular science fiction books in the world, and easily one of the great western english sci fi books that aren't from the 50's. And the tale itself is a simple one, and it ends with a rather... bittersweet, almost happy ending even if one looks at it that way.
But the powerstruggle between the old guard of disney and the new Warner people are going to be interesting.
It's not even that they went a 180. They had an entire other animation studio that joined them that was different from Walts vision. They consider it the other half.
Yeah that's all true for internal politics, but it doesn't mean jack to the general public because War of the Worlds was made with a Disney brand, even if it was lead by the Warner half of the Department. So in the eyes of your lay movie goer, War of the Worlds is a Disney film and the House of Mouse just made a serious war film that is a complete contrast to all other Disney films and they love it.
Makes me think that Epcot is going to have a lot more of a Science Fiction and Futurism focus that will go well beyond the 80s with it being the Sci-Fi Disney Park that also has a wing dedicated to global cultures. Really hope it does because I really like EPCOT's Retrofuture stuff.
Yeah that's all true for internal politics, but it doesn't mean jack to the general public because War of the Worlds was made with a Disney brand, even if it was lead by the Warner half of the Department. So in the eyes of your lay movie goer, War of the Worlds is a Disney film and the House of Mouse just made a serious war film that is a complete contrast to all other Disney films and they love it.
Makes me think that Epcot is going to have a lot more of a Science Fiction and Futurism focus that will go well beyond the 80s with it being the Sci-Fi Disney Park that also has a wing dedicated to global cultures. Really hope it does because I really like EPCOT's Retrofuture stuff.
Well I am still not coming back, but I will say this:
Bruce: We're not a factory of movies, we are not just going to work our directors to the bone to make massive blockbusters.
Mike: Sorry, but almost everyone here is under budget and ahead of schedule besides Steve, who just needs to have some fun stuff closer to home.
Bruce (Looks at everyone): Wait you all agreed to this?
Every one of the Directors: Yeah, we really like the freedom you guys give us. If we have to make one movie a year just to get that kinda freedom, then we'll do it.
So in regards to the Mr. Rogers prompt, I've been thinking that perhaps we should go with this:
[] Talk about how to deal with Anger and Fear and how you can strive to become a better version of yourself.
My main idea for it is a combination of what Rogers originally wanted of us, showing it's okay to look different and strive to be a better version of yourself and dealing with fear and anger as I think those are two very big flaws of Bruce that as a father he would strive to work on and would want to set an example for kids so that if Bruce O'Brian deals with these types of things then it's not bad to have these kinds of feelings and you can always become the best you. Plus, a huge part of Bruce's motivation for going on the show and probably expressing this stuff is to set a good example for Mary so she won't inherent Bruce's flaws and grow up to be a good person.
My main issue is how to frame it within the story because the show always had some sort of framing device for special guests to come and share their stories and help drive forward the morals. I'm guessing based on the prompt the episode is about becoming a self-improvement and dealing with flaws. My best idea is maybe show Bruce practicing martial arts through Jeet Kune Do and showing how Bruce Lee's lifestyle helped set him on a proper path. Would be a funny image of teaching Mr. Rogers Kung Fu though I don't know if that would fly with PBS. Perhaps a more pre-school friendly method is Bruce practicing Tai Chi and meditation since it's less violent and focuses greatly on health and fits well with Mr. Roger's wholesome vibes, plus it helped him and Carrie. What do you guys think?
Well I am still not coming back, but I will say this:
Bruce: We're not a factory of movies, we are not just going to work our directors to the bone to make massive blockbusters.
Mike: Sorry, but almost everyone here is under budget and ahead of schedule besides Steve, who just needs to have some fun stuff closer to home.
Bruce (Looks at everyone): Wait you all agreed to this?
Every one of the Directors: Yeah, we really like the freedom you guys give us. If we have to make one movie a year just to get that kinda freedom, then we'll do it.
So if I'm reading this right, the reason why we haven't dealt with film selection is because our Directors are doing the films they want to do this year so there isn't really a need for assignments and we just have to look at their progress? Although I guess we still need to assign budgets. Or is that and the new scripts going to be a separate update? Absolutely no pressure to update soon, just curious about how that was dealt with or is going to be dealt with.
So if I'm reading this right, the reason why we haven't dealt with film selection is because our Directors are doing the films they want to do this year so there isn't really a need for assignments and we just have to look at their progress? Although I guess we still need to assign budgets. Or is that and the new scripts going to be a separate update? Absolutely no pressure to update soon, just curious about how that was dealt with or is going to be dealt with.
Black Hole Directed by: Gary Nelson
Produced by: Ron Miller
Distribution: Walt Disney Productions
Starring: Maximilian Schell, Anthony Perkins, Robert Forster, Joseph Bottoms, Yvette Mimieux, Ernest Borgnine, Tom McLoughlin, Roddy McDowall and Slim Pickens.
Domestic Profit: $21,961,073
International Profits: $55,912,073
You don't know what you were expecting to be honest. When you heard that Disney was trying to make their own Star Wars-like movie you'd actually burst out laughing so loud that you'd startled both Mike and George during the meeting. But how could you not! All these studios can't seem to realize that Star Wars is not something you can imitate. It's not a formula, it's not a cheating strategy to success; it's an original story that managed to be successful thanks to the work and planning of one of the most visionary directors that ever existed, and to try and ape it is an exercise in futility.
Then you heard how they'd reworked the story to make it more of a horror than a Science Fiction tale and you got worried. Whoever was behind this had wisened up and was trying something different and unique, something that could very well succeed if properly handled. You'd already been surprised with the advent of the resurging animation department in Disney, that they could very well deliver a new and interesting Live Action film would show the entire company to be in the up and up.
Well...it seems you had nothing to worry about, or at least not completely.
Alright, to be honest, Black Hole is actually not that bad of a movie; It is fairly well-paced, touches on some interesting issues, and while the fact that they actually decided to not go the Sci Fi route and go for the full horror experience might have hampered them a bit due to it still being a Disney movie, it also managed to entice many of the audience and reviewers who wanted something different form the usually family friendly corporation.
Not like that will aid them during the next film, but for now, the story is quite interesting...
It centers around a small spaceship (the Palomino) and her crew who are charting the deepest depths of space in the search for new life. Early on, they come across a giant Black Hole and notice a long-lost ship (the Cygnus) which seems to be parked right by it. The ship appears to be empty until closer inspection reveals it to be full of robots, humanoids made up of the old crew, and a mad scientist type of guy in charge of it all. He plans to take his ship through the Black Hole to see what wonders are beyond it. Needless to say, most of the Palomino's crew can see that the guy has a few loose screws and try to escape before he can take them with him. An intense, if not very interesting, fight happens, and they actually move through the Black Hole, showing that there is actually something there before the movie ends.
You find yourself conflicted here; on the one hand It has great sets and model work which makes the giant space craft, where the majority of the action takes place, an evocative setting. The special effects are just magnificent and thought provoking (and of course they are, ILM worked on them). And the visuals themselves give life to nearly every part of the movie, and its atmosphere as a whole; they ultimately are used also to set up the strange and ambiguous ending which involves visions of Hell and an alternate universe. Pretty daring for Disney, they actually seem serious on their horror experiment on the whole, what with the rumors of what John Carpenter may be cooking up for future distribution. In a way, this could be seen as a canary in the coal mine situation, putting it forth in order to see what the public's reaction is, and whether to continue with their route.
Well, if that's what they had planned...then they failed successfully. Audiences did go to see the movie, yet that's where the entire situation turns...weird. on the one hand, you have the moralists that are raking Disney on coals for actually daring to put a Horror movie, and betraying their trust in the family friendly brand, then you have the critics who are praising the movie to the stars and through the Black Hole itself, though most of that praise comes from the visuals and atmosphere (You're welcome Disney!), and then you have the audience who seemed to just go to the movies because said moral agitators started going apeshit, just to find a movie that, well, alright seemed okay, but aside from impressive effects and a horror atmosphere, did not have anything else to go with it.
Yeah...the movie is a bit like that. It's not a bad movie, but neither is it a good one that will shatter all expectations. From what you've heard, Disney itself is not sure whether to continue with this kind of experiments or just abandon it all and go back to the old and tried formula of family friendly movies and comedies. Ron Miller himself has shown uncharacteristic support and leadership on pushing forward, and is only a tenuous alliance with Roy Disney that is keeping the more conservative elements (led by "Card" Walker) from taking over the Board once more and "righting the ship" as it were.
As for yourself, you have no thoughts one way or another. You went to see the film, and like many others, you only felt some degree of enjoyment. Like one of those things you just see and think "that's nice" before moving on. It at least made its budget back, and gained some profit from what you've heard; it's reception internationally being more than enough, with great success in Latin America, though not so much in Europe and Britain. France seems to love it though, requesting repeat showings again and again.
At the very least you got paid for the effects, now you just have to wait and see whether this will affect Disney in any significant way in the future. You don't hold much hope for Live Action, not after seeing what they could do with War of the Worlds. Then again, if they try to cut the budget even more after that masterpiece then frankly, they deserve what's coming for them.
Very interesting outcome. It seems that even when the deck is stacked in its favor that Black Hole still somehow emerges as a failure of sorts. I guess you could say this is the Avatar effect, everyone likes the film it has gorgeous visuals but it completely leaves their mind the next day and no one talks about it ever again besides saying that no one ever talks about it.
Honestly on its own Black Hole is a pretty decent success. If we assume that the profits are only 70% of the total gross then it likely made more than $100 million which in return for a budget of $20 million is a very respectable figure that at the very least ensured this venture is a financial success for Disney and nothing truly was lost. It seems like the biggest issue is that Disney leadership was hoping this would be a mega millions blockbuster that if not near Star Wars' performance than it could at least get into the top 10 or sit comfortably in hundreds of millions. Even a conservative like Walker has to see that on its own this was a strong outing for Disney which combined with War of the Worlds at the very least established it as a peer in Science-Fiction to Lucasfilms. Plus if they have a Black Hole ride at Epcot it could make the movie well worth it with hundreds of millions in revenue over a lifetime of park attendance. I guess from there it depends on how it does at the Oscars, and if it wins several awards there then at least it can culturally be a major achievement.
Going forward my primary guess for how the studios react is that they'll see that copying Star Wars isn't going to be a magic ticket to super success and for now just hold back on further investment and wait to see how their copies are doing along with their other ventures before continuing the next step. Such a performance in comparison to War of the Worlds drops points for Touchstone, but it's not a major wound and at the very least it can still point that moving towards mature stories is a path of success for Disney. From here everything just depends on Halloween.
I can also imagine some grinding in the Disney boardroom that the main reason Black Hole was even able to make a profit was because ILM worked on the film and made it come alive with design and SFX. At least it assures Alan that Columbia is getting their money's worth for the ILM Batman contract.
Starting to develop a pitch will keep it only at that 50 quality at the start. That 50 is from the house of ideas, and that is what you will have at all scripts at all times. if the roll for developing is good enough, there will be a d100 quality roll added to it. Now that since Bruce is not part of the writer's room, nor is he actually skilled as a scriptwriter, he will not have any bonuses.
at a certain point in the development of the script, I use the Writing skill that whoever writes the script (In this instance) Bruce, to see if he can develop it further, and give it another d100 to quality, or if it is impossible with that level of skill.
At a certain script quality, Bruce's Writing skill will be used to see if it can be developed further. It is below 50, will not allow him to do that, and taking that action again will not develop the script with a d100.
I changed the way I develop pitches with Bruce due to the House of Ideas granting that kind of boost.
Makes me think that Epcot is going to have a lot more of a Science Fiction and Futurism focus that will go well beyond the 80s with it being the Sci-Fi Disney Park that also has a wing dedicated to global cultures. Really hope it does because I really like EPCOT's Retrofuture stuff.
Honestly, that would go a long way towards making Disney better. Disney Florida, anyway. Seriously, EPCOT was the only remotely engaging thing while I was there with my family for the first time a couple years back(we had never been before. First time in Florida too. A land of death and misery. Seriously, FUCK the Florida heat. That place is unfit for human life. I'm just a poor northern youngling, I'm not built for that environment 😭) and even that was boring. Seriously, as a PSA to anyone reading this comment, don't bother going to Disney, just go to Universal Orlando instead. Trust me, you'll enjoy the experience far more. More rides, better rides, better food, lovely staff, less entitlement from customers because you don't have all the Disney diva parents or adult children, more rides, lines aren't as long, lovely disability services, did I mention more rides? Better too. Overall, you just get so much more bang for your buck, which you also don't spend as much with Universal as you do at Disney(seriously, it's so expensive for fuck all 😭😫). It really is a much better use of your time to go to Universal than Disney, especially if you're older because Universal is an actual park for adults, while Disney is for children first and foremost. Although, I can't imagine I would have ever actually liked the Disney park as a child over any other park. Even my local(it's all relative ) Six Flags and Canobie Lake Park is better than Disney. Fucking Water Country is better than Disney. There's just so much more to find at Universal. Plus, they're going to be adding in the Nintendo World stuff in a couple years,
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My best idea is maybe show Bruce practicing martial arts through Jeet Kune Do and showing how Bruce Lee's lifestyle helped set him on a proper path. Would be a funny image of teaching Mr. Rogers Kung Fu though I don't know if that would fly with PBS. Perhaps a more pre-school friendly method is Bruce practicing Tai Chi and meditation since it's less violent and focuses greatly on health and fits well with Mr. Roger's wholesome vibes, plus it helped him and Carrie. What do you guys think?
Should probably make it less specific. As in, more focused on a general "mindfulness," exercise, and other ways to channel or temper those feelings of anger or fear. Just to avoid any controversy that foreign martial arts could possibly(I'm not sure how, but people will always find a way to take offense)elicit. Mr Rogers doesn't need that kind of heat. And besides, meditation and things like that don't work for everyone. I know that I fucking hate it and find it phenomenally useless in my own life, but it does amazing things for other people.
If Halloween does great then Disney might just believe that Space movies aren't their jam.
...jam.
Oh my God what is this Timelines Space Jams going to look like?
If Halloween does great then Disney might just believe that Space movies aren't their jam.
...jam.
Oh my God what is this Timelines Space Jams going to look like?
