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Dragon Ball: After the End

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[X] Seal him in your own head. You will be his prison and his warden, and see what benefits you can gain from having a dragon chained in your body (x1.25, from, "ambitious." Middling harshness, Dazarel is as restricted as the inanimate object version but has you on hand for conversation and interesting experiences, renders him completely harmless, may or may not allow Kakara to exploit him for power).
 
Versharl said:
You know, I was initially fine with either of the two options winning but I really don't like the way the anti-headpet people have been arguing their case. The argument about the socialisation of Dazarel and ensuring that the information he possesses doesn't fall into the wrong hands are also fairly strong arguments pro-headpet.
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While I favor chibi, I can't disagree with your assessment of a lot of the anti-headpet arguments.
Chibi wins for me since I think it makes him a more versatile storytelling tool. Stuck in our head all he can really do is offer commentary/act as a shoulder devil, with us acting as the arbiter of when he can communicate externally. With an independent body he can interact with other characters/environment.

Admittedly, the chibi form does sort of push him towards a comic relief role, as my previous post suggests.
 
[X] Seal him in your own head. You will be his prison and his warden, and see what benefits you can gain from having a dragon chained in your body (x1.25, from, "ambitious." Middling harshness, Dazarel is as restricted as the inanimate object version but has you on hand for conversation and interesting experiences, renders him completely harmless, may or may not allow Kakara to exploit him for power).

Kakara has a good headspace
 
As for my reasons on not wanting the self seal.

Simple, I don't trust SV NOT to take anything he might encourage us to do.

"But Corin, We're smarter than that!"

Ha. Good Joke. All it would take was some clever wording on his part, and I feel confident in saying that a not Insignificant portion of the voterbase would go along with it.

SV makes some pretty blatant mistakes on the best of days. I've made some of those mistakes. We don't need something in our heads that tries to influence us.

And quite frankly, I find Kaiser form from it's description to be INFINITELY more trouble than it's worth. Even if this doesn't grant access to it, the mere fact that people want it despite it explicitly mind-warping the person who uses it makes me Confused beyond description.

A loss of self and who you once were is one of the ost terrifying things I can think of.
 
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59 vs 56.25. This be close.
Adhoc vote count started by Gore17 on Mar 2, 2018 at 9:36 AM, finished with 476 posts and 101 votes.
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Random thought: Our proposed research project for transforming into a USSJ for an instant when we hit an enemy/are being hit by an enemy would make pretty good practice for doing the same for instantaneously transforming into Super Saiyan God as a Saiyan God, which I think they had to do for a while due to stamina concerns.
 
Gore17 said:
That depends on what kills Kakara. It's not the most likely outcome.
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I mean, if someone is willing to kill the Gokun Heir over it then we'd probably have to clash with them eventually.
SITB said:
Why does refusing to be rehabilitated while possessing an actual body is a thing and refusing to be rehabilitated while being inside Kakara's head isn't? It's not like being forced to see Kakara's life is actually going to endear her to him while he is stuck without a physical body and most sensations. I mean, you can cite Stockholm Syndrome, but relying on psychological vulnerability of a space dragon is kinda questionable (besides my instinctual rejection of willing to fuck with him psychologically for the 'greater good')

And even if he does refuse to be rehabilitated, him being stuck in his chibi form renders him powerless. He can totally choose to continue being an asshole, he simply wouldn't be able to actually leverage that into deeds.
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Simple:
-Chibi form
--Ability to refuse interaction. He's space capable, so he's fully capable of avoiding Saiyan contact even if it's just by going into the wilderness somewhere and refusing interaction
--Ability to interact with problem persons. E.g. Dandeer, Garenhulder dissidents + some sabotage, which then leads to physical imprisonment on top. None of which is good for rehabilitation because we know it just takes the right words in the right ears.

Under the Kakara Seal, he cannot choose to refuse interaction. He must interact, constantly, with the most diplomatic person on the planet for an indefinite period of time. He is only allowed to interact with other people on our terms. He can attempt to sway Kakara of course, with words, but thats not a bad thing either, because personality traits cannot improve without being tested. He cannot gaslight or annoy Kakara because she has the mute button if he abuses the privilege of communications.
As long as Kakara walks the talk, and he's POSSIBLE to rehabilitate at all...water wears away stone.
 
[X] Seal him in your own head. You will be his prison and his warden, and see what benefits you can gain from having a dragon chained in your body (x1.25, from, "ambitious." Middling harshness, Dazarel is as restricted as the inanimate object version but has you on hand for conversation and interesting experiences, renders him completely harmless, may or may not allow Kakara to exploit him for power).

Because I don't trust the Dragon to not somehow cause trouble if he is allowed control over his own body and if we're not letting him have control then we might as well make sure he has a good warden looking out for him.
 
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Andres110 said:
How is it less risky? In chibi form, all he has to do is find a person willing and able to undo the seal and bingo presto he's free to do whatever. If he's inside Kakara, he will not be able to search for allies and anyone who decides to free him would have to get through Kakara first.
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Unless I'm mistaken, if anyone was able to free him in chibi form, then him being freed would not be our biggest problem, given the whole "backed by spirit saiyan power" thing.

That said, I think I'm changing my vote. Partially because some of the pro-headspace!dragon arguments have convinced me, partly because best chance to possibly show him that "all are one", and partly because... oh, how to put this... oh wait, someone already said it better than I ever could:

Versharl said:
You know, I was initially fine with either of the two options winning but I really don't like the way the anti-headpet people have been arguing their case. The argument about the socialisation of Dazarel and ensuring that the information he possesses doesn't fall into the wrong hands are also fairly strong arguments pro-headpet.
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[ ] Seal him in your own head. You will be his prison and his warden, and see what benefits you can gain from having a dragon chained in your body (x1.25, from, "ambitious." Middling harshness, Dazarel is as restricted as the inanimate object version but has you on hand for conversation and interesting experiences, renders him completely harmless, may or may not allow Kakara to exploit him for power).

Edit: as of 23:12 EST, I am officially done with this vote. Either way I don't really mind, and good lord did it catch fire in places. Anyone coming back to check or whyever, see ya next chapter.
 
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PoptartProdigy said:
[ ] Seal him in your own head. You will be his prison and his warden, and see what benefits you can gain from having a dragon chained in your body (x1.25, from, "ambitious." Middling harshness, Dazarel is as restricted as the inanimate object version but has you on hand for conversation and interesting experiences, renders him completely harmless, may or may not allow Kakara to exploit him for power).
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I can't be the only one who sees the blatant use of brainwashing technique here? I'd rather convince him without isolating him socially with his only contact being Kakara whom is quite the good diplomancer.

Whether this is actually brainwashing is (very) debatable, but it's still somewhat disappointing seeing Kakara use that type of tactic.
 
Don't need to be too bright. We got the whole Saiyans are not human thing which would be trivial to use in spite
Not that it's likely, but it is possible.
Thriceboiled said:
Saying he's space capable is a bit much, the best he's going to manage is sulking in low orbit
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Which is well...enough to refuse interaction. I mean yeah he can't get anywhere, but he can make anyone trying to talk to him spend unreasonable amounts of time looking and then keep pursuing him. A captive audience meanwhile has no choice :)

Either way, you can't have it all. Headsealing is basically imposing Stockholm(assuming he has near-human psychology) and using it to make sure we don't NEED to kill him later on. True Pacifists have difficulties with dedicated hostility unless willing to use psychology to change the minds of others. You need to apply coercion in some form to break the result.
 
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Honestly the risk of someone breaking the seal is the same if he is Chibi or in us in fact slightly less if in us because it would probably be harder to notice that he is in us instead of there is the dragon flying around and the chibi is safer for them to fuck with because they don't have to get near us to fuck with it.
 
Thriceboiled said:
People are acting like he's going to start politically scheming if we let him be a chibi but he honestly doesn't seem super bright.
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I mean, he doesn't really have to be smart at all to manage to make our lives more difficult. As long as he retains the ability to speak all it'd take would be him getting the opportunity to say something we don't want the humans to know to a human. Like, just off the top of my head:

1) Oh yea they knew I was coming well in advance
a) And they didn't tell you a damn thing.
2) This girl and her family? Yea they were never human at all, they're a bunch of space monkeys hiding out on your planet
a) Also they have this Enemy who would totally blow up your planet to get to them
b) They weren't going to tell you about him either
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Gore17 on Mar 2, 2018 at 10:38 AM, finished with 487 posts and 102 votes.
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Also hey Dandeer Kakara has been talking to your son inside the seal and plans to break him out or to anyone really
 
dragonx99 said:
I mean, he doesn't really have to be smart at all to manage to make our lives more difficult. As long as he retains the ability to speak all it'd take would be him getting the opportunity to say something we don't want the humans to know to a human. Like, just off the top of my head:

1) Oh yea they knew I was coming well in advance
a) And they didn't tell you a damn thing.
2) This girl and her family? Yea they were never human at all, they're a bunch of space monkeys hiding out on your planet
a) Also they have this Enemy who would totally blow up your planet to get to them
b) They weren't going to tell you about him either
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We can restrict him to hanging about in saiyan only zones and hanging with us and Maya until he's earned some trust, once thats happened he can hang with the misfits in general and once he's proved not to be a complete fuck up we can let him interact with humans while someone is there, we don't have to just boot him out into the wilderness you know?

Goi said:
Also hey Dandeer Kakara has been talking to your son inside the seal and plans to break him out or to anyone really
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Why would he know this?
 
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Bakkasama said:
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Actually, @PoptartProdigy if we can control the seal at will, doesn't that mean that Dazzarel could be released if someone mind control us somehow?

Considering we suspected there were mind controled saiyans in the prisoner murder attempt, I am starting yo regret we haven't studied magic yet to know if that is possible.
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If somebody is motivated to put themselves at ground zero to the release of a genocidal dragon...they probably don't need the dragon's help in wrecking your shit.
Andres110 said:
How is it less risky? In chibi form, all he has to do is find a person willing and able to undo the seal and bingo presto he's free to do whatever. If he's inside Kakara, he will not be able to search for allies and anyone who decides to free him would have to get through Kakara first.
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It's the, "able," part that's the issue. While the spell being cast is simple, that just means the 10,000-odd sorcerers present only need one person to set it up, the other 9,999 to amp it up, and the Genki Dama to supercharge it. Anybody hoping to undo it, authorized or not, is going to need to be just that good, which is...unlikely on the level of gravity becoming a repulsive force right now; or they need to be powerful enough to burn through it. Which is difficult, because Genki Dama.

In the head dragon option, the only thing that needs to happen to release the seal is for Kakara to want it hard enough.
Tarantio said:
Question for the QM:
Does Kakara knows how the sayan prison we saved work, the security measures and how good at reahabilitation is the prison staff?

If we chibi the dragon (option that seem to be winning, yay!!) nothing say we cannot place him there for most of the time if the prison work as it should.
We take him out some of the time to try to rehabilitate him to society and leave him to wardens, psychologists, and caseworkers the rest of the time. It wouldn't even be that much more risky since we are doing the same for the scouts and they are being targeted by someone and our dad is aware there was a security problem there in some time now.

So if the persons who work there do good work, are now loyal and the security is tight enough it would mean we can leave his rehabilitation almost exclusively to them instead of having him follow us around all the time.
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The prison uses warded cells to constrain its inhabitants while keeping all other spaces clear, so that staff retain the ability to sense throughout the prison. Security measures include expert warriors throughout the prison, and internal barriers that use magic to seal themselves if a cell is breached.

Rehabilitation-wise...that's more of an issue. Therapy is not a very respected practice, although Berra has been trying to work on that. In general, the Exiles are at the, "lock 'em up, let 'em cool their heels," approach to sentencing, when they don't go for, "death penalty."
 
Thriceboiled said:
We can restrict him to hanging about in saiyan only zones and hanging with us and Maya until he's earned some trust, once thats happened he can hang with the misfits in general and once he's proved not to be a complete fuck up we can let him interact with humans while someone is there, we don't have to just boot him out into the wilderness you know?
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Oh I'm sure we're not going to just boot him out, I just don't trust that a dedicated cat will be incapable of managing to get somewhere they're not supposed to even with people who can sense ki running around. Non-sapient cats are too good at finding trouble like that, I can only imagine what one with human+ intelligence could do.
 
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[X] Seal him in a less imposing physical body, with his powers sealed as well (somewhat harsh, renders him almost completely harmless while still giving him physical freedom. Implement chibi Dazarel).
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[X] Seal him in your own head. You will be his prison and his warden, and see what benefits you can gain from having a dragon chained in your body (x1.25, from, "ambitious." Middling harshness, Dazarel is as restricted as the inanimate object version but has you on hand for conversation and interesting experiences, renders him completely harmless, may or may not allow Kakara to exploit him for power).
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[X] Seal him into an inanimate object. Sorcerers will be able to get him visitation, so he won't be completely alone, but he will be completely disabled (harshest, completely strips any ability to affect the world aside from talking to willing, un-captive visitors).
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Simon_Jester

[X] Seal him into an actual house cat, because you think it's funny.
-[X] With control of the body (middling harshness, Dazarel is restricted to hissing at things and scratching them. Means you could physically carry him during your day-to-day if you wanted without having to explain him to Garenhulders. Sacrifice a poor kitty).
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Darkfire

[X] Seal his powers away. Dazarel will still be a mountain-sized, flying, fire-breathing dragon with the ability to survive the depths of space, but he will no longer have abnormal ki and psychic abilities (least harsh, renders him within your abilities to handle if he gets out of line).
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Terrabrand

[X] Seal his powers away, and include an additional reversible punishment option of sealing him into a smaller body as needed.
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Terrabrand

[X] Do not pursue a magical solution.
-[X] Kill him. (x0.1)
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Parthu

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Task: ASK

[X][ASK] Why are there so very few Vegetan sorcerors?
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Simon_Jester

Total No. of Voters: 102

One hundred and two voters?!

Where the bloody hell have you lot been hiding? :o
 
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