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Does Kakara knows how the sayan prison we saved work, the security measures and how good at reahabilitation is the prison staff?

If we chibi the dragon (option that seem to be winning, yay!!) nothing say we cannot place him there for most of the time if the prison work as it should.
We take him out some of the time to try to rehabilitate him to society and leave him to wardens, psychologists, and caseworkers the rest of the time. It wouldn't even be that much more risky since we are doing the same for the scouts and they are being targeted by someone and our dad is aware there was a security problem there in some time now.

So if the persons who work there do good work, are now loyal and the security is tight enough it would mean we can leave his rehabilitation almost exclusively to them instead of having him follow us around all the time.
 
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We take him out some of the time to try to rehabilitate him to society and leave him to wardens, psychologists, and caseworkers the rest of the time.
To be fair, the Exiles don't actually have psychologists or (in the normal sense) caseworkers. Their society is basically feudal/tribal in that your social support structure is your House, not an organized body with its own psychiatrists.

Then again, it's not like we're a psychiatrist or caseworker either, we're just a ridiculously busy adolescent with a rare gift for social skills.

I don't see why it would?
I'm skeptical of it myself. [shrugs]
 
[X] Seal him in a less imposing physical body, with his powers sealed as well (somewhat harsh, renders him almost completely harmless while still giving him physical freedom. Implement chibi Dazarel).
 
The probability, in 1870, that within the next century, our solar system would suddenly become geocentric and forcing all our astronomers to rethink their models that way was effectively zero.

The probability, in 1870, that within the next century, we would find out that time and space are interrelated quantities, that rays of light bank-shot around the Sun on curved trajectories, and that the planet Mercury can make a complete circle around the Sun while tracing out only 359.99997 degrees instead of 360, was effectively one.

The average 1870 astronomer would have considered "there are exactly 360 degrees in any circle, no more and no less, as was shown by Euclid and the Babylonians" to be just about as certain a proposition as "the Earth orbits the Sun," and both propositions to be about as certain as "light travels in a straight line."

Then the general theory of relativity happened.

The reason I bring this up here is that we're in unknown territory in terms of the amounts of power being thrown around and the capabilities being sealed, as well as Kakara personally having a high likelihood of encountering similarly unknown phenomena in the future. Relativity doesn't have readily measurable effects when you drop an apple out of a tree, but has (barely) measurable effects on a planet orbiting the Sun closely. And even more measurable effects when you talk about, say, black holes*. Extreme conditions are the conditions most likely to show us that we didn't quite know everything we thought we knew.
I actually thought of an argument about the probability of the Kakara Seal failing. I think it's actually much more secure than the other Sealing options. Yes, there is a probability of failure like with all things, but from the Sorcerors explanation we can at least be confident against all conventional enemies.

Against unconventional enemies the only response would be to know that they are coming. Which Kakara can do because she's a Seer and can See the future. If he's sealed inside us, we'll automatically and easily look for events where he'd be unsealed. We know the Sight works better with things that are more connected to us metaphorically, and that we can easily get past things that block other Seers. This wouldn't be as feasible with other Seal types.

Plus, the other Seals have a problem with actually releasing him after his confinement is over, whereas in our personal Seal we can do that at will.

This brings up another idea. We have the equivalent of a nuke strapped to us. As long as we aren't killed in an instant, the threat of us releasing the dragon exists. Which forces people, especially other saiyin to actually have to talk to us.

EDIT: Though if we don't convert him to our side, there is a small chance of him gaining powers from us. Like our Sight, which we know can be passed between different races.
 
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[X] Seal him in a less imposing physical body, with his powers sealed as well (somewhat harsh, renders him almost completely harmless while still giving him physical freedom. Implement chibi Dazarel).
 
Question for the QM:
Does Kakara knows how the sayan prison we saved work, the security measures and how good at reahabilitation is the prison staff?

If we chibi the dragon (option that seem to be winning, yay!!) nothing say we cannot place him there for most of the time if the prison work as it should.
We take him out some of the time to try to rehabilitate him to society and leave him to wardens, psychologists, and caseworkers the rest of the time. It wouldn't even be that much more risky since we are doing the same for the scouts and they are being targeted by someone and our dad is aware there was a security problem there in some time now.

So if the persons who work there do good work, are now loyal and the security is tight enough it would mean we can leave his rehabilitation almost exclusively to them instead of having him follow us around all the time.
I don't think they've actually figured out the security flaws and whether the other guards can be trusted yet.
 
I don't think they've actually figured out the security flaws and whether the other guards can be trusted yet.
Oh it was months ago I through they did something for it, lets hope PopartProdigy can give us a response on their progress on that front.

To be fair, the Exiles don't actually have psychologists or (in the normal sense) caseworkers. Their society is basically feudal/tribal in that your social support structure is your House, not an organized body with its own psychiatrists.

Then again, it's not like we're a psychiatrist or caseworker either, we're just a ridiculously busy adolescent with a rare gift for social skills.
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I don't think we (the players) actualy know if there are psychiatrists or caseworker between the exiles. We are a tribal society, but we are also a secret society with people working and studing in the gar-something-or-other society ( I'm terrible with remembering names). So there is a not zero chance that we actually have some of them. That's why I'm asking if we know how it work and the staff experience.
 
Argument in favor of chibi-dazarel:

Kakara: Dazarel, what did you do to the couch?
Chibi-Dazarel: REVENGE!

Kakara: Dazarel, did you eat my homework?
Chibi-Dazarel: REVENGE!

Kakara: Mom, I can't find my shoes. Have you seen them?
Chibi-Dazarel: REVENGE!
 
Argument in favor of chibi-dazarel:

Kakara: Dazarel, what did you do to the couch?
Chibi-Dazarel: REVENGE!

Kakara: Dazarel, did you eat my homework?
Chibi-Dazarel: REVENGE!

Kakara: Mom, I can't find my shoes. Have you seen them?
Chibi-Dazarel: REVENGE!

If I wasn't already voting for it, this totally would have caused me to vote for chibi-Daz.
 
[X] Seal him in your own head. You will be his prison and his warden, and see what benefits you can gain from having a dragon chained in your body (x1.25, from, "ambitious." Middling harshness, Dazarel is as restricted as the inanimate object version but has you on hand for conversation and interesting experiences, renders him completely harmless, may or may not allow Kakara to exploit him for power).

You know, I was initially fine with either of the two options winning but I really don't like the way the anti-headpet people have been arguing their case. The argument about the socialisation of Dazarel and ensuring that the information he possesses doesn't fall into the wrong hands are also fairly strong arguments pro-headpet.
 
I don't think we (the players) actualy know if there are psychiatrists or caseworker between the exiles. We are a tribal society, but we are also a secret society with people working and studing in the gar-something-or-other society ( I'm terrible with remembering names). So there is a not zero chance that we actually have some of them. That's why I'm asking if we know how it work and the staff experience.
There is exactly three, and they're amateurs(aka, inexperienced, not untrained). This has been asked and brought up before. Mental Health practitioners are looked down upon in Exile society, and it's only Berra's extensive efforts we even have those.
 
Oh it was months ago I through they did something for it, lets hope PopartProdigy can give us a response on their progress on that front.


I don't think we (the players) actualy know if there are psychiatrists or caseworker between the exiles. We are a tribal society, but we are also a secret society with people working and studing in the gar-something-or-other society ( I'm terrible with remembering names). So there is a not zero chance that we actually have some of them. That's why I'm asking if we know how it work and the staff experience.
Actually, weaskedbefore if there are. IIRC, Poptart told us there are around 3 psychologist in the entire exile population. It is not a very respected job

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Actually, weaskedbefore if there are. IIRC, Poptart told us there are around 3 psychologist in the entire exile population. It is not a very respected job
There is exactly three, and they're amateurs(aka, inexperienced, not untrained). This has been asked and brought up before. Mental Health practitioners are looked down upon in Exile society, and it's only Berra's extensive efforts we even have those.
Good to know! Thank you for the answer.
Still even amtuers are better than a pre-adolescent no matter how wise she is. So we should ask if we can get at least one of those to work on the dragon when we don't have time to deal with him and we are not letting him simply stay in jail to reflect.
Edit: if we can get some assurance that the jail sistem even work nowadays. Obviously.
 
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There is exactly three, and they're amateurs(aka, inexperienced, not untrained). This has been asked and brought up before. Mental Health practitioners are looked down upon in Exile society, and it's only Berra's extensive efforts we even have those.

o7 Berra
best dad
although he is still under suspicion for supporting Sealing and centralizing the Clan
 
[X] Seal him in a less imposing physical body, with his powers sealed as well (somewhat harsh, renders him almost completely harmless while still giving him physical freedom. Implement chibi Dazarel).
 
o7 Berra
best dad
although he is still under suspicion for supporting Sealing and centralizing the Clan
Centralizing the clan is a good thing though? After all, it benefits us :D. Seriusly, it should make it easier to make the changes we want to our society.

Still, while I think both options regarding sealing Dazzarel have their pros and cons, I want to point out, again, that there is a non-zero chance the Dazzarel got info about the conspiracy when he read our mind and could tell people if he is in a chibi body. Frankly, I find it unlikely given what we know of how mind reading works and the fact that it hasn't taunted us with it yet, but if we are going to consider the odds of an enemy with powers we don't know showing up, we should consider that one too.

On another note, Dandeer leaving in a huff might not be as strange as some people think. Raditz did say that she was unsuited to leadership, she did cause quite a bit of chaos with her regency, she seems unable to watch her mouth when her emotions are high and the only reason she was in charge of the sorcerers was Berra supporting her when she tried to pull rank. I could see her going away in our moment of triumph.
 
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