Rowknan
Roar
- Location
- The Unknown
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Ah right. Well I guess in that case we won't be able to unseal him until we get our later forms late game.
Dragon Ball: After the End
Very late game.
redzonejoe
Vaguely Pastafarian
- Location
- Canada
I think the group suggesting that the chibi will be assassinated is a bit off the mark. All we have to do is mention the original Prince Vageta himself, a fearsome enemy who intended to kill Goku and the others, but was spared and later became one of earth's fiercest champions and founded one of our two royal houses.
Like... 'Yammar, you exist because of a similar act of mercy my ancestor showed yours. Do not interfere.'
Not to mention Piccolo or hell, even Yamcha first appeared as an enemy. Turning enemies to friends is a critical part of our history.
Like... 'Yammar, you exist because of a similar act of mercy my ancestor showed yours. Do not interfere.'
Not to mention Piccolo or hell, even Yamcha first appeared as an enemy. Turning enemies to friends is a critical part of our history.
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Rowknan
Roar
- Location
- The Unknown
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Pity that.Very late game.
If we turn him into a chibi we can dress him in lots of pretty outfits!
- Location
- Australia
Our ancestors are the same. Kakara is descended from Vegeta and Yammar is descended from Goku. Also there are many who think Goku was dumb for sparing Vegeta, given the sheer amount of badness Vegeta caused later in life. (Such as Cell and Buu.)
redzonejoe
Vaguely Pastafarian
- Location
- Canada
And Yammar would point to ones like Freeza, Cell and Kid Buu. Not to mention the numerous lesser enemies that were killed.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
You do not have control over it, and the sorcerers are supremely reluctant to introduce the complication and risk unforeseen consequences. Which does mean removing it could be a problem, yes.
- Location
- Dual citizen of SV&SB
@PoptartProdigy , I don't suppose that this trait could give vote weighing against sealing somebody inside another person or being? Everything about the sealing sickens and horrifies us; I'm not certain why we had a bonus to sealing somebody inside us in the first place.
It's a vote to do to the dragon what we're working to free jaffur from.
redzonejoe
Vaguely Pastafarian
- Location
- Canada
My argument isn't that every enemy should be spared, though Kakara will likely feel that way.
I'm just saying that there's really no need to spend political capital on assassinating a defanged foe, when our culture has a history of such foes becoming steadfast allies.
Like maybe it'll be a (very low dc) speech check? But i doubt it'll come to that.
K, but that's still missing the point.
Buu became friendly after talking to Hercule. (Later became Uub).
Android 18 married Krillan.
Tien was an assassin.
Killing all of their enemies would have doomed the Z-fighters. This one can at least be rendered harmless.
Yeah, that solidifies "inside us" for me.
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
That trait is from before we knew Jaffur was aware. If it interferred with the sealing of Dazz, it would have last vote. The answer was: Kakara objected to tge sealing because overwritting a personality was like killing
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Mate, I answered this earlier. I suppose you might have missed it.
Kakara's principled objection to the Sealing is that she viewed it as murder. She objected to Dandeer overwriting her son's personality. What Dandeer characterized as a medical treatment, Kakara characterized as killing.
Now, she is still outraged. A lot of that is ethical inertia, but even if she really stopped to consider it, she'd still be in favor given that Jaffur is (in this particular case) an innocent subjected to a predictable rhythm of solitary confinement and screaming, explosive fights with his grief-stricken twin, followed by temporary mind wipes.
Sealing Dazarel in some manner is an exotic form of imprisonment (and, practically, the only real option outside of death or talking him down in the next thirty minutes), and thus fails to trip the same issues for Kakara.
- Location
- Dual citizen of SV&SB
I wasn't asking sealing in general, but specifically sealing him inside a different persons body.
But if you answered before, my mistake, sorry.
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
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Actually, @PoptartProdigy if we can control the seal at will, doesn't that mean that Dazzarel could be released if someone mind control us somehow?
Considering we suspected there were mind controled saiyans in the prisoner murder attempt, I am starting yo regret we haven't studied magic yet to know if that is possible.
Actually, @PoptartProdigy if we can control the seal at will, doesn't that mean that Dazzarel could be released if someone mind control us somehow?
Considering we suspected there were mind controled saiyans in the prisoner murder attempt, I am starting yo regret we haven't studied magic yet to know if that is possible.
[X] Seal him in a less imposing physical body, with his powers sealed as well (somewhat harsh, renders him almost completely harmless while still giving him physical freedom. Implement chibi Dazarel).
Just think Chibi Dragon is funny, and I'd like him to interact with more people than just Kakara.
Just think Chibi Dragon is funny, and I'd like him to interact with more people than just Kakara.
redzonejoe
Vaguely Pastafarian
- Location
- Canada
Inserted tally
49 to 48.75
Next vote is 50
First to 50 wins?
49 to 48.75
Next vote is 50
First to 50 wins?
Mind Delve and learning magic are definitely on the "must have" list now.
Also, anyone concerned about later freeing Dazarel from whatever seal we put on him, it might be a good idea to switch to "inside Kakara", as we're going to have difficulty releasing him if we chibi-fy him.
With the recent answers, you're more likely to get that with "inside Kakara".
And nobody is dead. Check out Vegeta's origins. Or Android 18.
For a people whose games include beating the crap out of each other, and who allowed an eight year old torture herself for a year in earshot of adults in order to desensitize her tail, I think you overestimate exactly how pissed they are going to be at it.
Especially if Kakara says so.
The Sealing is supposed to handle the hazard part.
And frankly, the lizard isn't stupid. It isn't going to create havoc for the sake of havoc, not when non-lethal sanctions are on the table.
Considering how little he likes the idea of being sealed, I think might be incentives for him.
The argument about socialization still holds true. And a situation where things have gone to shit badly enough you want to unseal said dragon is a situation where you want to be damn sure that it places the same value on your family and friends that you do, which is easier to do if other people can interact with it without Kakara's involvement.
And OOC, there are good reasons not to have to juggle the dragon in every scene, or come up with convoluted explanations of it not paying attention or being asleep.
He likes it better than dying. And I doubt he wants to join the scouts in their prison.
Having to negotiate a world where he isn't the biggest, baddest thing around should be good for him.
The Fourth Monado
S U B A R A S H I I
- Location
- Away
just
set the seal to 'you can;t see out of it or communicate out of it in any way'
there
done
[X] Seal him in a less imposing physical body, with his powers sealed as well (somewhat harsh, renders him almost completely harmless while still giving him physical freedom. Implement chibi Dazarel).
The real reason to seal Dazarel inside Kakra's body is for power, and it's a real shitty reason to reduce another person for your own personal powerup in the guise of 'reforming' him. It is a pretty naked ambition power grabbing in the coat of mercy; and it's kinda of a shit way to push Kakara's characterization while being gauche as hell. Relying on sealed monster to empower you? When dragon ball had repeatedly shown that training is what gives people the edge? Particularly when Kakara herself won because she relied on a technique based on understanding rather than raw power.
Also if sealing him inside Kakara's head will give power with no hidden backsides, when is Kakara is going to actually train/use that power? There is already complaints about all the actions that Kakara need to do without adding another 2 (one to train that power and one to actually talk to Dazarel).
The real reason to seal Dazarel inside Kakra's body is for power, and it's a real shitty reason to reduce another person for your own personal powerup in the guise of 'reforming' him. It is a pretty naked ambition power grabbing in the coat of mercy; and it's kinda of a shit way to push Kakara's characterization while being gauche as hell. Relying on sealed monster to empower you? When dragon ball had repeatedly shown that training is what gives people the edge? Particularly when Kakara herself won because she relied on a technique based on understanding rather than raw power.
Also if sealing him inside Kakara's head will give power with no hidden backsides, when is Kakara is going to actually train/use that power? There is already complaints about all the actions that Kakara need to do without adding another 2 (one to train that power and one to actually talk to Dazarel).
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
False;
We did not do it in earshot of adults.