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So! I know people have been bandying about the amount by which Kakara powered up, which was based on a quick and dirty back of the envelope calc on my part. But I have little else to do at the moment, so I went into slightly more detail, and it turns out that the power-up was a good deal more impressive that the number being shared.

For those uninterested in the precise quantity of biggatons at play: "lots." Take the spirit bomb that killed Buu and have a population of saiyan warriors with an average power level of 1.5 million adding oomph to it. Unless this dragon's esoteric abilities are potent to the point of this whole event chain being an elaborate murder attempt on my part, the question you are handling here is not, "can Kakara win this?" it's, "how would Kakara like to resolve this situation?" If that is as far as your interest runs, that is perfectly fine, because that's as relevant as the question is getting. When I was first asked what the power up looked like, my response was to pick up my phone and try and calculate the answer. My phone could not display the required numbers. My answer was, "The scouter exploded. Does that answer your question?"

That's as specific as we need to get to follow along with current events, and the text will be going into about that level of detail. "Berra, what's her power level?!" "Enough."

For those keenly interested in the precise quantity of biggatons...

The number currently being bandied about is, "over 300 billion," which is indeed based on my initial estimate of 311,750,000,000, or 311.75 billion. That said, I almost immediately realized that I was lowballing it; the result of a bad estimate on the saiyan youth population's effect on average power levels. I got a better one and recalculated.

Surely there are a whole mess of factors I am not considering, but the final figure is 435,505,167,000, rounded to the nearest thousand (it's actually a few hundred higher, but it felt weird nickle-and-diming the Misfit's contribution like that when everybody else got nice round numbers, and it really doesn't matter in this case). 435.505167 billion, or to truly truncate it, 435.5 billion. Of course, as discussed, this is not one big block of power level, but rather every single power level in the solar system acting in otherwise-impossible concert, producing an effect identical to that massive figure without feeling like that massive figure.

Complicating matters somewhat further is the fact that I just now realized that this only comprises the conscious, willing contributions of the sapient beings in the system. So, quick re-calc. Pre-donations this was on par with a Freeza Saga Genki Dama, which was thought credibly threatening to 50% power Freeza, but obviously could not in fact kill him once he powered up to resist it. Call it equivalent to 75% power Freeza because quick and dirty is the name of the game today, and we're bandying millions on a hundreds-of-billions figure. 90,000,000; 90 million. Thus, the total composite power level of Spirit Saiyan Kakara is 435,595,167,000; 435.595167; 435.6 billion. Enough to amp up the tenths place of the hyper-reduced form of that number by one. :rofl:

Truly, a form whose biggatons shall remain meaningful and decisive contributors for a long time to come...as long as you stay on Garenhuld.

EDIT: For fuck's sake, the adult Exile population's average power level is 2 million, not 1.5, I keep making this mistake.

The number of biggatons are in fact drastically higher still.
 
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> 436 billion PL

Well okay then.

Still. How on Garenhuld do we make this goddamn lizard stand down?

I mean, we can punch it around until it gives up, but what if it does not?


And no, I am not willing to let it go away: it destroyed multiple planets already, we cannot allow it to destroy any more just because we got queasy.
 
So we can hold the Dragon down safety well it is sealed?

How about projecting into it's mind?
 
Can we force it to grant us a wish? Because if we can we could wish for it to spend the rest of its existence helping people.

Edit: This assumes every dragon can grant wishes.
 
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Okay, final figures (for tonight, I'm tired, I'll see if I forgot something in the morning). Provoked by me realizing that I (again) mistook the Exile's average adult power level.

565,345,167,000. 565.345167 billion. 565.4 billion, rounding from the outermost place in. A big bloody number.
So we can hold the Dragon down safety well it is sealed?

How about projecting into it's mind?
You have absolutely no doubts regarding your ability to hold this thing down for as long as you hold this power.

You have absolutely no idea how or even if this power translates to the ability to navigate a psychic's mind without fear.
Can we force it to grant us a wish? Because if we can we could wish for it to spend the rest of its existence helping people.
If it is in fact a wish-granting dragon, yes. Kais know it hasn't seemed much like them before, but then again you don't know that it doesn't grant wishes.
 
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So...not that she'd enjoy cooperating with an idea coming from Kakara, but Dandeer has already demonstrated being able to enforce a modified Masque on a vastly superior being (Lord Vegeta.) Why not just have something similar done to the dragon, and make it a dog or an iguana or something similar, with no memories of it's past life, should it not stand down?

Tho, ethically speaking, I'm kinda fuzzy on the difference between that and killing someone.
 
Can we use telepathy to transmit what we felt when we realized everyone is connected to try and make it understand? I think we could also transmit impressions with it and sinceit is a ki technique and we have lots we should be able to brute force aconnection.

I also agree we can't just let it go but that is less about other planets dying and more about it potentially telling people about the saiyans.

Edit: @fictionfan ...what.
 
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"how would Kakara like to resolve this situation?"
This is the question of the day I think. I know I've been hung up on thinking of a How, getting bogged down in specifics, like should we try and IT him or Seal him or whatever. But the specifics of the how aren't really important here and to quote a very evil Lich.
In any battle, there's always a level of force against which no tactics can succeed.
We have passed that threshold here, its just a matter of what we want the end result to be. Some people are advocating just killing Dazarel, which I just don't see happening, its the ruthlessly practical thing to do, but its not really the Kakara thing.

So I say we treat this thing like a spar, fight it, talk to it, try and understand it see if it even can be reasoned with or if he like Cell can only be destroyed. If we can convince it to accept some form of Sealing, weather into a person, or Chibi-Dragon, or simply to be sealed into slumber for the next thousand years, turn him into a mountain range or something like that. That's what I've come up with so far anyway.

Tho, ethically speaking, I'm kinda fuzzy on the difference between that and killing someone.
To Kakara, as established by our horror about Jaffur's situation, that is the same as killing it, arguably worse.
 
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@PoptartProdigy, will Kakara get some kind of trait or permanent boost from rolling nat 100 on the willpower check?
If we do, it's likely to be related to the Spirit Saiyan - but let's wait until after our moment of triumph to bug him about getting more, yeah? We know we haven't got the traits from this event yet, given that there's no way we pulled this off and didn't get a reputation.

Can we use telepathy to transmit what we felt when we realized everyone is connected to try and make it understand? I think we could also transmit impressions with it and sinceit is a ki technique and we have lots we should be able to brute force aconnection.

I also agree we can't just let it go but that is less about other planets dying and more about it potentially telling people about the saiyans.

Edit: @fictionfan ...what.

This is pretty much the only way I'd feel comfortable with not killing it, if this worked. This thing literally goes around and eats planets full of people. If we don't stop it here, if we just let it go, then it'll leave and never come back - and it'll go murder countless other billions, for which we'd be responsible. Yes, Batman should have killed the Joker after the first few escapes and murder sprees.

And that's before taking into account that it's read our minds, knows we're Saiyans, and would hold a literally monstrous grudge against it.

I don't think that we want it to try a spirit bomb.
Actually, given the whole "showing other people makes them unable to do the trick" thing, it'd be the best way to prevent exactly that.
 
So...not that she'd enjoy cooperating with an idea coming from Kakara, but Dandeer has already demonstrated being able to enforce a modified Masque on a vastly superior being (Lord Vegeta.) Why not just have something similar done to the dragon, and make it a dog or an iguana or something similar, with no memories of it's past life, should it not stand down?

Tho, ethically speaking, I'm kinda fuzzy on the difference between that and killing someone.
The no memory thing is something she added to the normal masque so it would continue without risk of breaking if I remember it correctly, and to have a normal father and child. I think it could be altered so he have the memories but won't risk breaking the seal. So no moral problem and we can prison him like the criminal he is.
I would want to talk to him to accept the sealing and prison thing first as Artanis Prime said through. Less risky and more chanche of rehabilitation that way.
 
Also just a random musing, but remember when we called out for help we named Dazarel "The Unknown" and that caused our poor farmer friend to have a moment of horrible existential terror?

Well how do you defeat the "The Unknown"? You can't ignore it, you can't destroy it, the only way to combat the unknown is to understand it, to change it from unknown into known. Sorry just something that popped into my head.
 
So subdue it, talk to it asking why he does this and bombing his mind with the feelings from All is One to try and make him respect life and that every life is sacred as opposed to how he feels now, tgat others are insignificantin comparison?
 
Hows its healing capacity and Kakara's view on maiming it anyway?

Current leading idea I like is to slam into its mind with pure Unity after pinning it down and use some diplomacy, but I don't know how long this form lasts either.
 
bombing his mind with the feelings from All is One to try and make him respect life and that every life is sacred as opposed to how he feels now, tgat others are insignificantin comparison?
That doesn't seem like it would work, both because trying to force an idea on someone like that sounds inherently prone to failure and especially so because he's psychic.
 
If we could seal it in a form where it retains it's memories and feelings, but with a severely reduced power level and without access to it's PSI abilities, I'd go for that.

The thing is the Seal didn't work right on Jaffur, who's knowledge of sorcery at the time was barebones at best. The dragon has just as much of an advantage in power level as Jaffur did with Super Saiyan over those who would seal it and a significantly greater ability with magic. I'm up for holding him down and investigating the possibility, I'm just worried it won't pan out (and we have no idea how long we can hold this form for).
I'm paranoid about using IT to get off the planet now.
I thought we were taking energy from the solar system as well? If nothing else staying in near-Garenhuld orbit should be fine.
 
[X] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
-[X] Then talk to him see if you make him stand down. See if sharing the knowledge and sensation that All is One can convince him onto a better path.
--[X] If he refuses, see if you can seal him inside yourself, becoming both prison and warden.

...I want to, when we dismiss the form, return the borrowed energy to the world, accompanied by that sensation/realisation. Would that be a write-in for this vote, or afterwards?
 
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