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A few other details I would change:
What Simon said; it's harder to keep your story straight the more changes you make. And remember, these are our friends, not randos off the street. We are going to be interacting with them, assuming we can keep them alive, for a while. They will have ample opportunity to note inconsistencies in our stories, especially since we've already demonstrated that we were living a double life for years.

You keep your fibbing to a minimum; there's a non-zero chance we might have to bring them deeper into the onion sooner or later, and the less unnecessary lies told, the easier that is.

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[X] Story time.
-[X] Tell them about Raditz
Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Feb 5, 2018 at 6:39 PM, finished with 105 posts and 20 votes.

  • [X] Story time.
    -[X] Tell them about Raditz
    [X][Ask] What are the sorcerers doing to prepare for the dragon?
    [X] Tell them about Raditz
    [X] Stick to the plan, but switch your focus to your other friends, when you teach. Sophie, Gemma, and Jenny have to be feeling left behind, and you've always spent less time with them than Maya.
    [X] Tell them about Hercule Satan
    [X] Story time.
    -[X] Tell them about Ma the Elder (Demon King Piccolo)
    [x]Tale of Demon king Piccolo.
    [X] Story time.

    -[X] Tell them about Raditz
    [X][Ask] What, in your opinion, is the single greatest threat to Saiyan society once we have handled the dragon and the invasion?
    [X][ASK] The Enemy doesn't count. A threat is something likely to cause damage or danger, the Enemy is guaranteed.
 
Storytime
Part One

"Okay, here's a story I know... but you have to promise not to share it. It's for my family and my closest friends, about one of my own ancestors."

Sophie, Gemma, and Jennifer nod solemnly. You take on a sing-song cadence you picked up from your mother, and lift a line from a few of the handful Earth stories you've ever heard that aren't a Goku story or a Z fighter story. You're pretty sure they got distorted in the early days of the Exiles, because parts of them sound kind of mixed up with some of the Goku stories. But you at least remember the opening lines well enough to repurpose them, and somehow it feels right...

"Sing, spirits, of the valor of Marsden, son of Bok, dark-haired and bright-eyed, who walked in the years before the oceans drank the lost land of Mu..."

Jennifer glares. "Did you decide to name the hero of your story after your family?"

Grr. "No, we're named after him." You cross your arms and frown. "This really happened, even if it was hundreds and hundreds of years ago."

"Now, Marsden was found as a baby in a shipwreck on the realm's shore, by his foster father-" you smile to yourself- "Jii. It was Jii who saw Marsden's potential and trained him in the ways of ki. Though this was ages ago, in the time before the immortals saw fit to teach the secrets of the greater powers to mortals. Even heroes were weaker then."

"Marsden had many adventures, beginning with his quest for the legendary-" you pause, suddenly thinking better of something you were about to say- "Eyes of the Snake, and rising to a climax when he saved the kingdom by slaying Ma the Elder, a terrible demon who had returned to the lands of mortals from the blackest depths of the Unknown Realms. The Younger Ma, the demon's vengeful son, rose to threaten the kingdom in turn, but Marsden bested him in a tournament of skill and prowess. He went on to marry his beloved, the Ox Princess, and have a healthy young son, whom he named Jii, after the kindly old man who raised him."

"Four years passed. The younger Ma had learned some honor when Marsden helped tend to his wounds after the tournament, and no longer threatened the land. Marsden grew complacent, and relaxed his training. How could anyone possibly defeat him, the greatest warrior in all of Mu?"

Sophie goggles. Jenny snorts. You shake your head. "Like I said, this was before the immortals revealed most of their secrets. And before anyone had ever heard of alien invasions, too!"

"Now, Marsden had gone to visit some of his friends from his adventures. He met with his best friend, a warrior named Dots. And his oldest friend, Bloom the... magician. They met at the home of the Turtle Man, the wise, ancient master who'd trained him after old Jii passed away."

"Wait, Turtle Man?"

"Are you saying he was a man, or a turtle?"

"A man with a pet turtle."

"Oh." Gemma looks satisfied, but Sophie looks slightly disappointed.

"Anyway, Marsden had taken his son to visit Turtle Man and his other friends. And as they were speaking, Marsden suddenly looked worried. Bloom, who had been with him since the beginning of his journeys, asked him, "What is it?" "

"Marsden pointed into the sky. "I sense something coming! Something bad!" "

"Six Dots gulped "I feel it now, too... It's not Ma, is it?" "

"Turtle Man frowned and said "No, but I smell death in the air..." He was worried, for in Mu, in those days, the power of flight was rare, and only the strongest could use it."

"The approaching figure landed. He was tall and strong, and clad in armor the likes of which Marsden had never seen. His black hair was long and unbound, in a huge mane down his back. He stood proudly, every line of his body radiating arrogance and evil might. And his power was greater than any creature Marsden had ever seen- be they man, beast, or devil. Then he spoke to Marsden. "You may not recognize me, but I recognize you, Karr! For I am your older brother, Radd!" "

"Marsden had never heard this name, and was confused. And Dots, who was very brave, if sometimes foolish, approached the stranger. He challenged Radd, standing as tall and proud as he could, asking him if he was confused, or insane, or drunk. And then Radd slapped Dots through a tree! And he laughed, as Dots groaned, stunned. He looked back at Marsden."

"The stranger smiled. "I fight for-" um... you stop to think. "-King Kevta, last prince of-" um... "Greenland- our people's native home! Though we are few, now that Greenland is sunk into the sea, we are strong! Now, you may have neglected your training, little brother, but no matter! Come and join me, so that we may conquer in the name of the Last King!" "

"Marsden frowned. "I've never heard of Kevta or Greenland, and I don't want to go around conquering other people's countries. I'm Marsden, and I live here! Now leave us alone!" Then he realized that Radd was looking at little Jii."

"The foreigner smiled and folded his arms. "I see that you've fathered a son, Karr. Perhaps we can train him up to fight for King Kevta, if you are afraid..." "

"Marsden was furious, and powered up, shouting "You're not taking my son anywhere!" Dots struggled to his feet and rushed to stand at Marsden's side. Marsden braced himself, and readied the powerful punches that had knocked down demons and monsters and armies in years before." Your friends' eyes are wide- expecting this to be where the fight starts. But that's not what happened, not the way you learned it.

"But Radd was too fast. He had more than twice as much power as his brother, and he did this-" you phase quickly, launching a knee strike into the empty air. "Marsden went flying backwards and up into the air, and landed with a crash, sprawled in pain! Though Bloom tried to stop him, Jii ran to his father's side, crying out "Daddy, Daddy!" And Radd swooped in and grabbed the little boy."

"Then Radd sneered at his brother. "Weakling! I am taking your son, and if you ever want to see him alive again, you have one day to choose to join us! When you do, you must kill one hundred Murian peasants, to prove your loyalty and worthiness to fight by our side! Otherwise, you will never see your son- my nephew- again!" With a cruel smile and an evil laugh, Radd flew away, carrying little Jii in his arms as the boy waved his hands and screamed."

"It took Marsden a minute before he could even stand up again, so painful had been the blow Karr landed. When he recovered, he glared out over the land and sea, in the direction Radd had flown away in. Dots was the first to speak. He said, "We'll help you get him back!" "

"Now, Dots and Turtle Man were both strong, and had fought in some of the same tournaments as Marsden when he was younger. But they were nowhere near as powerful as Marsden was now, and not even a quarter as strong as Radd. "

"So Marsden said to his friend and his mentor, "No, don't come with me! He's much too strong! Stay here! Don't risk your lives; the only one strong enough to stand even a chance against him is me!" "

"Then Turtle Man pointed into the sky and said "You... or Young Ma." And when Marsden looked up, he sensed the energy of his old rival immediately. He braced himself, as the long-fanged, clawed, green demon touched down beside Turtle Man's home, expecting Ma to take advantage and attack."

"But instead of firing a blast or charging, Ma spoke. "The stranger came to me when I was meditating in the desert, mistaking my energy for yours. He challenged me, and I hit him full force with a blast- but it only singed his hair." Ma growled. "Then he flew off. He must have been looking for you, I thought. He's- very strong." "

"Marsden clenched his fists. "He's got my son." Ma simply nodded, and Marsden looked at the demon carefully. "Maybe together, we can beat him." And Ma nodded again, and took off into the sky. For the younger Ma was of the race of demons, and knew a few of the secrets of the immortals from his father, the elder Ma. Marsden, who had studied under an immortal for only a short time, couldn't fly very far, or fast- but he could. And so they flew off, in the direction they sensed that Radd had gone."

"So Dots and Turtle Man were troubled. They thought about following Marsden's advice to stay home. They thought, and they thought, and they made their decision. Since they couldn't fly, they started running as fast as they could after their friend."
 
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Hm, don't think I can get the second chapter done tonight after all. Tired. Maybe a little groundwork? I'll try for tomorrow evening. S'fun. :)
 
beginning with his quest for the legendary Orbs of the Serpent,
Is this part wise?

I also lament that Roshi was relegated to Turtle Man. I mean, Vegeta being Kevta I can accept even if I don't know where it came from since King Sarada is too on the nose, but Turtle Man sounds a bit silly, even though I can see why he was named like that so that the girls interrupted.

Though I want to said, I liked the end of the segment.
 
"Kevta" is the result of taking Vegeta, putting the sounds in a blender, and applying made-up-on-spot transformation rules. His name is about as much of an infohazard as Goku's, so better if any names of his known to Garenhulders bear NO resemblance whatsoever to the real one.

"Turtle Man," well, my best defense is that given how goofy a lot of Dragonball names are, Kakara probably doesn't even realize that it sounds undignified. Note that by the same token, Bulma gets a promotion to a name that isn't underwear-based. :p

Come to think of it, that's the part I hadn't done an edit of since I was in a decaffeinated haze this morning. I'm dumb enough to slip it in, Kakara isn't. One moment.
 
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See, that's the sort of infosec hazards we should be avoiding as a matter of best practices, given the importance of the masquerade.
Seriously, maintaining the masquerade is one of our highest priorities.
It is more important than our friends. A lot more important than our friends.

Here is an example:
One of our friends decides to name an attack after the stories we've been telling. Lets say they rename their version of the kamehameha "Turtle Man Wave" or something.
An alien witnesses the attack, survives and manages to limp off.
While being debriefed, the alien mentions the attack. The phrase "Turtle Man/Sage" is flagged in their database for its similarity to Goku's teacher.
The Enemy's malware in the alien's systems alerts it to the flag.
In response, the Enemy dispatches an agent to investigate.

A remote possibility? Yes.
But as the Scion of Goku, it is something we have to consider.

Ox Princess is just as bad. Goku's wife was the daughter of the Ox-King. That is something easily detected.

I petition @Simon_Jester to change the "Turtle Man" to something like "The Hermit" and "Ox Princess" to almost anything else.

EDIT: And decouple Piccolo from both the name Ma (which he was known under) and Demon King Piccolo. Just, give them completely different names and don't even suggest the connection.

If you want to help keep the stories internally consistent?
Don't. Have Kakara say that the stories contradict themselves pretty frequently. Have her hang a lampshade on how Marsden's enemy from one story is his friend in another, or how traits shift between people sometimes.
Happens in real world mythology all the freaking time.

Sometimes, The Kindly Hermit that raised Marsden is the same one that later taught him.
Sometimes they're different.
Like how Loki is sometimes Odin's blood-brother and sometimes his actual brother (and sometimes his son, if we want to imagine a future scholar trying to fit Marvel Thor in with Norse mythology)
Or how sometimes Loki has a mother and other times he was born when a lightning bolt hit a tree.
 
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Kame Senin means Turtle Sage.
I petition @Simon_Jester to change Turtle Man to Turtle Sage.
Talking to 12 year olds.
Dignity is hardly a major issue, and might actually be a detractor.
I petition @Simon_Jester to change the "Turtle Man" to something like "The Hermit" and "Ox Princess" to almost anything else.
Now you're being silly.
If we are the point where we have to fight off an alien invasion and they manage to escape back to Civilization, children's tales are the least of our worries.
Especially since Turtle Man in Garenhuldian sounds very different from Turtle Man in English, or whatever alien language it's translated to.

Let alone the issues with linguistic drift.
 
Now you're being silly.
If we are the point where we have to fight off an alien invasion and they manage to escape back to Civilization, children's tales are the least of our worries.
Especially since Turtle Man in Garenhuldian sounds very different from Turtle Man in English, or whatever alien language it's translated to.

Let alone the issues with linguistic drift.

I'm really, really, really not.
We're about to fight an alien invasion.
One of our friends naming one of their techniques after something from the stories we're telling, especially if those stories are connected to the technique? Entirely possible, and not the only vector of information propagation.
Some of those aliens escaping? Possible.
That alien having a recording of the fight? Possible.
The use of the translated phrase "Turtle Man" in conjunction with a particular technique raising a flag? Possible.
That flag warranting further investigation? Possible.

Is this line of thinking a bit paranoid? Yes.
Is that a bad thing? NO.
Paranoia is our duty. The introduction of aliens means that the Masquerade is coming into contact with an intelligence community of unknown scope and capabilities. One that could, in theory, have Seers on its payroll.
Imagine one of them getting a vision of us telling the story.
We don't get to take chances with the Masquerade.

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With regards to the aliens limping back to civilization after getting their asses kicked:
That isn't something we can guarantee won't happen. As such, we don't take needless risks with the Masquerade.
Regardless of linquistic drift or translation, Goku was known to have been taught by a man who was strongly associated with turtles.
 
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I'm really, really, really not.
Yes, you really, REALLY are.
This is a story that's several hundred or thousand years old, and has been translated from English/Japanese/whatever to Garenhuldian and then localized to fit the local ecology and culture.

It will bear no close resemblance to the history of Earth than a generic fairytale than thousands of others in this galaxy full of people and ki-users.
Seriously, go back and look at the history of the Exiles on the front page, specifically the Dark Age:
And most tragically, piece after piece of the culture of Earth broke away under the constant, smothering presence of Garenhulder culture. The Exiles ate in Garenhuld's culture. They slept in that culture. They lived every day in that culture. Their language drifted away, and then their mannerisms, their beliefs, and their customs. They became more of a radical subset of Garenhuld culture than anything reminiscent of Earth -- a people who lacked the instinctive revulsion of innovation that Garenhulders hold, but certainly had little of dead Earth in them.

It was a Dark Age, one that nobody even knew of until the families finally reorganized. It is today recognized as the greatest tragedy of the Exile.

But it isn't. Today, the Exiles have forgotten even the existence of some techniques. Some technologies are not remembered at all, having been lost and never recorded. And the Exiles have no way of knowing that their culture has shifted so radically -- because when, if ever, would any of them have written it down? As far as they know, they still maintain the cultural traditions of Earth.

No, the greatest tragedy of the Exile's Dark Age is that they don't even know how much they've lost.

Even on Earth, linguistic drift changes languages beyond recognition; try reading Chaucer in the original English, for example.
The idea that a tale, switched from English to Garenhuldian is going to be recognizable is not worth worrying about.
Not when the Saiyans almost lost their entire heritage, to the point they don't know how much they lost.
 
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@thamuzz now you are being paranoid. Garenhulders have a fuckton of legends as does pretty much every planet and every warrior names their attacks after something different. Plus we have seen that not only sentient species but a lot of others have their own equivalents across the universe. If that kind of thing were enough to trigger the enemy seaching, he would spend a lot of time chasing after false positives. If that kind of thing triggered alien civilizations, there would be saiyan sightings pretty much anywhere in the universe. Plus the kind of information that you are afraid might trigger said response is ridiculously unlikely to be known because a) it is insignificant in comparison to what people would search about saiyans b) the sight is ridiculously rare and c) the sight works by assosiation with things and circurmstances related to the seer in question so the less related to saiyans the seer, the less likely they would have to have seen them. Not to mention that the sight uses their own stamina and if you spent it all in searching for the most ridiculous details (like a name piccolo used twice) then they wouldn't be able to use it for anything else.

Besides, I would certainly be less worried about the fact that we tell them children tales which they are unlikely to tell to any alien or use to name an attack when they have their own legends than I would be about the fact they know we can sense Ki, use Multiform and IT or that our warriors are likely to use Z fighters techniques even if they don't shout their names. Like, seriously, if OpSec was as tenious as you make it seems, I am sorry to tell you but we are already fucked even if we don't tell them anything. The mere fact that we teach them to use ki like we do is more likely to cause issues than any pre-Raditz thing we tell them as long as we change the names a little bit and we don't give precise descriptions.

Paranoia is our duty. The introduction of aliens means that the Masquerade is coming into contact with an intelligence community of unknown scope and capabilities. One that could, in theory, have Seers on its payroll.
Imagine one of them getting a vision of us telling the story.
We don't get to take chances with the Masquerade.
Given that the sight searches for relevant information, it is more likely to show a time we are unmasqued than that.
 
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The existence of Seers would seem to cut down on the amount of conspiracies that can exist without the Seers being part of them. Maybe when Kakara completes her training she will get her Illuminati club card.
 
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The existence of Seers would seem to cut down on the amount of conspiracies that can exist without the Seers being part of them. Maybe when Kakara completes her training she will get her Illuminati club card.
Sorcery can explicitly interfere with the Sight, among other things. Seers do not infallibly bust conspiracies by existing.
 
Sorcery can explicitly interfere with the Sight, among other things. Seers do not infallibly bust conspiracies by existing.

There's also an anonymous numbered account where 'donations' to the Seer's Annual Freeza Day Party can be sent. For a bunch of people who live in the middle of nowhere and grump about anyone who distrubs them, they throw expensive parties. Well-funded by Conspiracies that know better than to mess with them.
 
To be fair, most seers spend too much of their enegy making sure nobody discovers their own conspiracies to use their power finding other people's conspiracies.
 
My working hypothesis is that the Seers also spend a lot of time trying to subtly prevent any individual normal saiyan from getting too disgruntled and blowing up the planet. This would be relatively easy for them to do except that Seers are so grumpy that their ability to win friends and influence people suffers.

With regards to the aliens limping back to civilization after getting their asses kicked:
That isn't something we can guarantee won't happen. As such, we don't take needless risks with the Masquerade.
Regardless of linquistic drift or translation, Goku was known to have been taught by a man who was strongly associated with turtles.
And a notional seer working for the aliens (who presumably isn't doing a good job or Tamar would have had a seer remotely scry on Garenhuld or at least figure out if his scouting expedition was going to run into danger) would then go "okay, little kids talking and training and OH CRAP do those two have power levels of two million?

They would not, to put it mildly, be focusing on Karen telling the girls a story.

Honestly, we'd be more likely to get reports of "SAIYANS ON GARENHULD" from someone seeing how powerful Maya is as a little girl and assuming she must be a secret saiyan hybrid with her tail cropped, than we are because of this story. This story that only outs us if you happen to be exhaustively familiar with the details of events only known personally to half a dozen people all of whom died 300 years ago with Earth, or even earlier, and which was of no real significance to the larger galaxy except insofar as it set in motion a series of later events that ARE more widely known.
 
On the matter of infosec... we haven't used the kamehameha in the open, right? Because a ki wave with a unique charging style, color*, and stance that was the closest thing the Z-fighters as a unit had to a signature technique actually might count as a hazard on that front...

*well, almost unique. Very few ki techniques use blue from what I can remember.

EDIT: Other than on the nuke. We used it on that, but I think that case was safe enough.
 
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Now that is something to consider.

Especially since the Kamehameha is probably known by a large fraction of all Vegetans and literally every Gokun with a soul, and it's a legitimately powerful, effective attack that people would have incentives to use.
 
Honestly, we'd be more likely to get reports of "SAIYANS ON GARENHULD" from someone seeing how powerful Maya is as a little girl and assuming she must be a secret saiyan hybrid with her tail cropped, than we are because of this story.
Just Maya? Yeah, she was an outlier in that she reached high three digits PL with substandard training after she unlocked ki as a child. However, while her growth has been extraordinary, so has been the one from the rest of the misfits. Maya went up to the 70k range after a year of training which was freaking impressive for a human. Gemma reached the 40k and Jennie and Sophie the 50K though, in arguably less time.

I would suspect that this is actually a thing about Garenhulder humans and it was just that Maya was one of the first to discover it on her own but exiles have married Garenhulders before who presumably learned ki so if that were the case they would know so by now.
 
Just Maya? Yeah, she was an outlier in that she reached high three digits PL with substandard training after she unlocked ki as a child. However, while her growth has been extraordinary, so has been the one from the rest of the misfits. Maya went up to the 70k range after a year of training which was freaking impressive for a human. Gemma reached the 40k and Jennie and Sophie the 50K though, in arguably less time.

I would suspect that this is actually a thing about Garenhulder humans and it was just that Maya was one of the first to discover it on her own but exiles have married Garenhulders before who presumably learned ki so if that were the case they would know so by now.
I wonder if the Exiles are the reason for the Garenhulder humans having such an abnormal capacity for Ki use. After all, for a good portion of time after arrival, they only bred with humans, and it's not out of the realm of possibility that the genes may have... spread out as it were. 300 years of genetic drift could lead to pockets of people that are almost entirely genetically human, but with a very high affinity for Ki use.
 
I wonder if the Exiles are the reason for the Garenhulder humans having such an abnormal capacity for Ki use. After all, for a good portion of time after arrival, they only bred with humans, and it's not out of the realm of possibility that the genes may have... spread out as it were. 300 years of genetic drift could lead to pockets of people that are almost entirely genetically human, but with a very high affinity for Ki use.
Not how Saiyan genetics works here. Any partial Saiyans are functionally full Saiyans, period.
 
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