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I'd appreciate the effort of a more serious vote, or a lower-threshold opportunity to make common sense moves. There was definitely a "blink and you'll miss it" element to this write-in for me.

One thing that's bugged me about the quest format for the past year is the extent to which the vote structure can impose artificial stupidity on characters. Yes, in many many ways the votes make sense as very strict limits on a quest protagonist's actions. In a fight you can only react in a limited number of ways. You can only be in one place at a time (usually). Your time is limited, your resources are limited.

...

But the nature of the vote format, especially when combined with strict requirements for write-ins, does a lot to neutralize and cripple a player's prudence or curiosity. One of the main ways those traits express themselves is that a prudent or curious character will perform small commonsense actions and ask simple questions, consuming little time but hopefully gaining knowledge or preparing against a threat.

When the vote structure acts to quash any "also, make a cursory effort to determine if our arch-nemesis is nvolved in this random event" reactions, the effect is that it's very hard for the quest protagonist to take sensible precautions against threats. Such that they come across as being blithely indifferent to problems that in reality they never had much of a chance to come to grips with.

I feel this is related to the reasons why we still don't know what's up with Endivan taking down a super-saiyan despite people having been interested in that for multiple years of in-game time and despite it literally involving one conversation between Kakara and her father... a father she is on good terms with and talks to regularly. I know that conversation is planned 'for later,' but if this were, say, a tabletop roleplaying game where you can just have the character ask things without having to convince twenty people to pick a specific write-in vote, we'd have found out long ago.
 
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There might be no mind magic, but if it is easy to check we would feel really stupid if it turned out to be and we didn't check.
 
Wonderful! Would you mind making a large post - possibly with a temporary threadmark - to let the people who left be alerted there's a vote on, or would you prefer I just tagged all the voters to let them know there's basically a second vote happening? I'm not quite sure about the protocol for effectively mass tagging people.

EDIT: I gotta go to bed soon-ish, so if this gets no response also soon-ish I'll just tag everyone.
I've actually seen the mods hand out warnings for that, so I'll just make a big post.

HELLO, EVERYBODY.

Certain posters would like you to consider a write-in to have Kakara specifically recommend that the Lawkeepers check for mental influences on the prison attackers, the aim of this vote being to try to see if Dandeer is behind the inconsistencies in behavior observed by the attackers. Kakara is smart enough not to say that out loud and phrase the suggestion in more general terms, fear not. This will not affect the main vote of the previous update -- that is already locked and in-progress.

This won't actually be featured in the upcoming update -- that'll feature only the tournament. However, I will follow up with another post detailing the end of Kakara's involvement in the investigation later (she doesn't have the time to oversee it to its conclusion, what with the dragon), and that will contain the suggestion, should it pass.

[ ] Yes.
[ ] No.

In general, don't expect me to hand down votes like this, in the future. My general policy going forward is that if you introduce an off-topic vote and it fails to gain traction, I'm just going to rule it in or out based on whether or not it secures 50% participation from the voter base. I've mostly done that in the past. However, I've not to date formalized that, so I figure you can have this for this one last time.

EDIT: Well, jumped the gun a little there, bunnies, but okay. In the future, just try to avoid that. Apparently, the mods mind.
 
I've actually seen the mods hand out warnings for that, so I'll just make a big post.

HELLO, EVERYBODY.

Certain posters would like you to consider a write-in to have Kakara specifically recommend that the Lawkeepers check for mental influences on the prison attackers, the aim of this vote being to try to see if Dandeer is behind the inconsistencies in behavior observed by the attackers. Kakara is smart enough not to say that out loud and phrase the suggestion in more general terms, fear not. This will not affect the main vote of the previous update -- that is already locked and in-progress.

This won't actually be featured in the upcoming update -- that'll feature only the tournament. However, I will follow up with another post detailing the end of Kakara's involvement in the investigation later (she doesn't have the time to oversee it to its conclusion, what with the dragon), and that will contain the suggestion, should it pass.

[ ] Yes.
[ ] No.

In general, don't expect me to hand down votes like this, in the future. My general policy going forward is that if you introduce an off-topic vote and it fails to gain traction, I'm just going to rule it in or out based on whether or not it secures 50% participation from the voter base. I've mostly done that in the past. However, I've not to date formalized that, so I figure you can have this for this one last time.

EDIT: Well, jumped the gun a little there, bunnies, but okay. In the future, just try to avoid that. Apparently, the mods mind.
Whoops, deleted said mass-tagging. It's 5:20 in the morning and I didn't want to just leave for like 8 hours in case your answer was "go ahead and tag them and stop bothering me" :oops:

[X] Yes

[X] Suggest that the rebels be examined for mental effects
[X] Yes.
Apparently the format is "[X] Yes" for this vote, cause I totally jumped the gun. Sorry!
 
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Whoops, deleted said mass-tagging. It's 5:20 in the morning and I didn't want to just leave for like 8 hours in case your answer was "go ahead and tag them and stop bothering me" :oops:

[X] Suggest that the rebels be examined for mental effects
[X] Yes
The notifications will already be out, but deleting the tags should save you. ;) I understand.
 
[X] Yes.

@PoptartProdigy Maybe consider using the votes between [higher of 12 hours before the end of a vote (to prevent sneaking one in) and the time of the vote] and the end of the voting cycle for whether an extraneous vote like this passes. So if you had this come in 18 hours into a voting cycle that lasted 36 hours, and 33% of voters voted for it in total -- but 66% of those after 18 hours did, it would pass?
 
[X] Yes.

@PoptartProdigy Maybe consider using the votes between [higher of 12 hours before the end of a vote (to prevent sneaking one in) and the time of the vote] and the end of the voting cycle for whether an extraneous vote like this passes. So if you had this come in 18 hours into a voting cycle that lasted 36 hours, and 33% of voters voted for it in total -- but 66% of those after 18 hours did, it would pass?
that is too easy to abuse
 
[X] Yes.

@PoptartProdigy Maybe consider using the votes between [higher of 12 hours before the end of a vote (to prevent sneaking one in) and the time of the vote] and the end of the voting cycle for whether an extraneous vote like this passes. So if you had this come in 18 hours into a voting cycle that lasted 36 hours, and 33% of voters voted for it in total -- but 66% of those after 18 hours did, it would pass?
I could, but that seems like a bit more work than I'm prepared to take on for this matter. Frankly, I have only slightly more than zero investment in the matter at hand, and investing myself to that degree in something I have no desire in which to become invested seems like a grand way to burn myself out.
 
@PoptartProdigy :

Hm.

You could look at write-in votes that don't interfere with the spirit of the main vote, consume significant resources, or have obvious downsides... And treat them as sort of an extension of your stance on having player commentary 'bleed through' into Kakara's thoughts and phrasing.

So a write-in that would actually exclude one or more of your curated options, or takes the place of them, or that would have a significant opportunity cost, might well have a 50% cutoff threshold. But a lower cutoff threshold might be sufficient for a "harmless" idea to bleed through and get at least a very small amount of time and attention from Kakara, even without exhaustive counting of how many of the votes not including the write-in did or did not mean to exclude the write-in.
 
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