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Dragon Ball: After the End

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We will want to talk about more stuff after, but first we should focus on Jaffur's mental health.

A topic we are going to want to talk about are his plans after the seal is broken.
 
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fictionfan said:
We will want to talk about more stuff after, but first we should focus on Jaffur's mental health.

A topic we are going to want to talk about are his plans after the seal is broken.
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I'd be a bit wary of that subject because it may involve Jaffur launching off into angry revenge fantasies. I'm not sure of that, but I'd like to sound him out and get a sense for his tone and personality after all this time, before moving on.
 
Simon_Jester said:
I'd be a bit wary of that subject because it may involve Jaffur launching off into angry revenge fantasies. I'm not sure of that, but I'd like to sound him out and get a sense for his tone and personality after all this time, before moving on.
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If he is having revenge fantasies that is something we are going to want to know about. Dandeer's entire justification for the sealing is that it is a medical procedure for insanity. We want Jaffur to not act crazy when he gets out so we can more easily neutralize Dandeer's support.
 
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fictionfan said:
If he is having revenge fantasies that is something we are going to want to know about. Dandeer's entire justification for the sealing is that it is a medical procedure for insanity. We want Jaffur to not act crazy when he gets out so we can more easily neutralize Dandeer's support.
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To be fair, we can pass that off as an entirely different kind of crazy caused by being locked in his own head for several years.
 
[X] Decline a spar (You're a beginner at Mind Delving, and your teacher warned you against doing anything without more training).
[X] Chat (Tease him about wanting to fight us)
[X] Initiate Vegetan Social Protocol Seven


This is the last vote I copied minus the hug option. I've been convinced that Protocol Seven is currently superior to hug, and that I should have a protest vote to fight.
Adhoc vote count started by Blonddude42 on Sep 1, 2017 at 8:26 PM, finished with 16982 posts and 37 votes.
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Blonddude42 said:
This is the last vote I copied minus the hug option. I've been convinced that Protocol Seven is currently superior to hug, and that I should have a protest vote to fight.
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Superior? I have no idea. Maybe. But I think hug is more in-character.

Edit: plus, it is first real contact he had in literal years. It would be good for it to be warm rather than coldly formal.
 
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Voting 'No Hug' would lock out the chance of hugs ever. I won't do that.

But it may be better to go with familiar ground for him, using the proper protocols.

Ergo...

[X] Chat (Current unsealing plan)
[x] Initiate Vegetan Social Protocol Seven
[X] Have a spar.
-[X] Tell him about your current power limits.
-[X] Also mention you have a trick you want to try and this is the best place for it. (Golden Oazaru)

We can (and will) try to hug him later.
 
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"Okay, this is risky at the best of times, and for you it is super-duper dangerous. I want to make it absolutely clear that you do not know what you are doing yet. You're going in to talk because that's part of the plan, and that is the only thing you are remotely qualified to attempt. Promise?"

"LET'S FIGHT!"​
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That is not what happened.
 
fictionfan said:
If he is having revenge fantasies that is something we are going to want to know about..
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Yes, but I want that to NOT be one of our top priorities in this conversation- one of our lower priorities, rather, because I can see it getting ugly and Kakara having to break the conversation off or otherwise do something that may interfere with our chance to do other things.

Let's save the ticking bombs for last, after we've gotten other business out of the way.
 
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That is not what happened.
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PoptartProdigy said:
"Mind Projection is meant to be a difficult art, years in the preparation, decades before true mastery. I have never known a Seer to do it deliberately in fewer than seven years. You have done it in two. But it is dangerous regardless, especially considering where you're going. So first...center."

You peer inwards, focusing in on the ball of light that you know as your ki. You anchor yourself to it in an exercise you've done a million times, and then cast away all thought, all emotion.

"Good. Now, this is going to be risky, so I want you to remember to leave if there's a problem. Get in, and make sure you don't startle him. And make sure to come back."
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She's on an extremely rushed training schedule. In any other times she would need years more of fundamental training before even beginning the seven years of training she'd need before she'd even be allowed to attempt it, and decades more before trying something as experimental as projecting into a spell inside a Super-Saiyan sorcerer's mind.

Transforming, fighting, throwing around million-ki blasts, heck, even just touching anything in here is criminally reckless.
 
Lailoken said:
She's on an extremely rushed training schedule. In any other times she would need years more of fundamental training before even beginning the seven years of training she'd need before she'd even be allowed to attempt it, and decades more before trying something as experimental as projecting into a spell inside a Super-Saiyan sorcerer's mind.

Transforming, fighting, throwing around million-ki blasts, heck, even just touching anything in here is criminally reckless.
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Not rushed or reckless. Fast, efficient, gifted, and possibly being supported by divine forces. Jii-chan isn't a fan of the Sealing, either. And he might be able to work in subtle ways.

In any case, possibly due to being SSJ, we are a PHENOMENALLY gifted Seer. We had our vision of The Enemy sooner than any on record. We were able to leave our body on our first shade training (which wasn't expected for several sessions), we have been consistently having strong visions. We Mind Projected into this supposedly-dangerous place (yes, probably 'really dangerous') BY ACCIDENT.

Sensei basically just told us, "If you die in the MatrixCanada you die for real. Remember you're really weak (for you) as a shade. Don't go crazy and get murdered."
 
Lailoken said:
The GM clarified the situation in response to player comment. That it is a theoretical possibility doesn't imply that it's a good idea to nearly the degree that the only IC guru explicitly and repeatedly saying, "Hey, this really dangerous", implies that it's a bad one.
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Quest suggested limiting ourselves to our shade's BASE power level. No transformations. Then Poptart was the one who suggested Golden Oozaru in terms that were obviously going to attract attention: "This is probably the only place you can use it at 'maximum' power," to paraphrase.

If transformations in this mindspace are as bad an idea as you make them out to be, then Poptart just massively trolled us.

I don't buy it. I think you're overinterpreting the warnings we've received, and exaggerating low-order risks.
 
KaintukeeBob said:
Not rushed or reckless. Fast, efficient, gifted, and possibly being supported by divine forces. Jii-chan isn't a fan of the Sealing, either. And he might be able to work in subtle ways.

In any case, possibly due to being SSJ, we are a PHENOMENALLY gifted Seer. We had our vision of The Enemy sooner than any on record. We were able to leave our body on our first shade training (which wasn't expected for several sessions), we have been consistently having strong visions. We Mind Projected into this supposedly-dangerous place (yes, probably 'really dangerous') BY ACCIDENT.

Sensei basically just told us, "If you die in the MatrixCanada you die for real. Remember you're really weak (for you) as a shade. Don't go crazy and get murdered."
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GMs are evil and exist to make players cry. If I were in charge, my response to that reasoning would be the teacher scooping up the mess in a bucket and saying, "I told you so", because IC conduct is the only thing that matters and once you've told somebody that they're attempting something which is dangerous for people with decades more skill it's not unreasonable to stop accounting for the possibilty that they're going to immediately transform and start throwing planet-busters around just for fun.
 
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Lailoken said:
GMs are evil and exist to make players cry. If I were in charge, my response to that reasoning would be the teacher scooping up the mess in a bucket and saying, "I told you so", because once you've told somebody that they're attempting something which is dangerous for people with decades is skill it's not unreasonable to stop accounting for the possibilty that they're going to immediately transform and start throwing planet-busters around just for fun.
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Remind me never to play one of your quests, if you're in the habit of having allied NPCs ask us to do suicidally stupid things, things we know they genuinely want, such that they will be disappointed if we decline, then actively going out of your way to suggest in inviting tones a way to make it maximally suicidal.

Because that's basically what you're saying Poptart just did.

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It's like, yes, a good QM will let players do stupid things.

But deliberately trolling your players like that is just plain terrible DMing, because it kills games. And because the only viable player strategy to avoid the trolling is constant paranoia and constant missed opportunities and disrupted plans, due to constant McClellan-esque jumping at shadows.

It's very tiresome having to run around worrying about the menace of the enemy's Quaker guns all the time.
 
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Simon_Jester said:
Remind me never to play one of your quests, if you're in the habit of having allied NPCs ask us to do suicidally stupid things, things we know they genuinely want, such that they will be disappointed if we decline, then actively going out of your way to suggest in inviting tones a way to make it maximally suicidal.

Because that's basically what you're saying Poptart just did.
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It can probably be assumed to be survivable if the player does what the NPC expected them to do when they assented. That is, get in, do the job, get out the moment anything looks concerning. The NPC most definitely did not expect her to get in there and start transforming to better throw planet-busters at her contact for fun. Even if it is safe, she isn't anything like qualified to actually know that. Do you really think he wouldn't be horrified to learn she did this on her own initiative? Do you really think he won't consider it gross misconduct and cause him to doubt her judgement when deciding whether to trust her with slack in the future? This is like letting the kid borrow the car for a night and finding out he entered a demolition derby on a dare.
 
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KaintukeeBob said:
Vote is closed now anyway. Wonder what won.

Here's hoping we get to golden monkey his ass.
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To be fair, even if he hasn't increased his power level at all, he can handle the shade of Golden Monkey Kakara well enough.

But it'll be an interesting challenge.

Also, um. Well, let's just say that as far as I can tell, any super-saiyan who knows that the Golden Oozaru form is possible, can get the form, just by going super-saiyan when in oozaru form. So for all practical purposes we're teaching Jaffur the transformation.

Could be a nice quid pro quo for getting him to give us a few points on Jaffur Style.

Lailoken said:
It can probably be assumed to be survivable of the player does what the NPC expected them to do when they assented. That is, get in, do the job, get out the moment anything looks concerning. The NPC most definitely did not expect her to get in there and start transforming to better throw planet-busters at her contact for fun.
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The NPC I'm talking about is Jaffur, not Sensei.
 
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