Lunaryon?
Please differentiate between what other people know or think they know about the Sealing, and what the quest voterbase thinks we knw about the Sealing. Otherwise, there is literally no point in even trying to speculate "what are other people thinking" because you won't understand what they think if you don't acknowledge the differences in what they know.
You have a very good point here, the problem is that the way that I see things it doesn't add up.
Even working from just the things that Berra knows it makes absolutely no sense to me.
Berra doesn't know that the Sealing puts Lord Vegeta and Scion Jaffur's psychiatric problems 'out of sight.' As far as he knows, it's the equivalent of providing a schizophrenic person with medication that controls their schizophrenia. The madness isn't just "lurking out of sight," it is for all practical purposes gone.
Does this mean whatever bad things caused the madness "didn't happen?" No, obviously not. But it does take a terrible problem and turn it into a 'managed' problem. That's a significant change.
...Ahh...
But that is exactly what Schizophrenic meds do...
The madness
IS just lurking out of sight. That is why they require visiting a therapist and a doctor often in addition to the medicine.
Much like the situation with the Sealing, you cannot expect a single thing to be able to completely handle a complex problem, especially when the established method of dealing with it is to remove it and then not follow up with actual healing and further preventive care in order to make sure that there is no relapse or further development
You think you know that. I'm not sure it's true, and even if it is, Berra doesn't know everything we know about the Seal.
He doesn't know Jaffur is 'locked in' and in mental contact with the Jaron persona. He thinks that Jaron IS Jaffur, in the same sense that Karen IS Kakara... only that Jaron has been magically compelled to forget there is any Jaffur to transform back into, whereas Karen knows and remembers her life as Kakara.
Regardless of whether or not Jaffur is locked in and conscious or if he wasn't
Regardless if his father does or does not have the same thing going on with him
This IS NOT Treatment. They are not trying to understand the source of the problem and treat from the ground up.
Furthermore, the statement of Jaron being Jaffur only he doesn't know that Jaffur exists is...
By removing and altering the memories of the patient he has altered the mental state and consciousness of Jaffur to the point where his identity has been compromised. He no longer knows who Jaffur is, so he cannot BE Jaffur, regardless of the biology that identity is the thing that has been placed in danger here and the act of excising memories in such a way is little more than a fancy untraceable murder because the body continues to move breath and act.
I will admit that this is something that I have a very hard time distinguishing my own actions and thoughts about from a character, but this is perceived as death of personality, and I know that this is my own personal biases and neuroses getting hit here, but that leaves Berra either intentionally hiding the effects of Trauma by trying to pretend that they never happened, or he is actively taking part in the murder of an identity.
I think this is a gross oversimplification of what Berra is doing and thinking. The point is that Berra's motive is obvious: repair the damage caused by the Sundering.
Step One of that is to somehow subdue, control, and remove from the picture the madness of Lord Vegeta. The Sealing accomplished that.
Step Two is to heal the worst wounds caused by Lord Vegeta's malice. The Sealing has, so far as Berra knows, accomplished that, by acting as a form of psychiatric medication to control Jaffur's violently unstable personality and permit him to lead a normal life. Berra's lack of knowledge is biting his assessment of this step of the plan hard, but if you're asking "what is he thinking" that is your answer, and it would be a good idea to try to see the situation from his point of view.
In any case, Step Three of the plan is to somehow bring about order among the Vegetans. Berra doesn't know how to do that yet. We don't know what plans he has. It's entirely possible that he hopes to simply proclaim himself king of saiyans and have done with it, and I for one think he's well suited for that post. But in any case, he's clearly still working on Step Three.
However, he would never have gotten into a position to even think about Step Three if not for Steps One and Two, which rely on the Sealing.
Except even without the knowledge of what is happening to Jaffur, that doesn't work.
And if it does work that brings my freak out about the sealing far above what it is now.
Madness has to do with how the neural action in the brain functions, synapses firing when they shouldn't and data percolating and firing off when it shouldn't or not firing off when it should.
Removing the memories would not cause this problem to go away. You would have to be completely overwriting the very way that the synapses fire off, so beyond the act of simply killing off an identity, you have completely altered the way that the brain is functioning - and magic or not THAT IS BAD, the brain may be a wonderfully resilient machine, but it is also terrifyingly fragile, and if Dandeer has decided to actively suppress the madness, that would mean that she would need to be actively monitering the brain of her husband and continually making adjustments to the very way that he thinks, which would leave her husband little more than a puppet that she is tugging at the strings of, and that is not something that a healthy relationship can be built off of.
That's really not counting the fact that the relationship was rather obviously unhealthy before, but that fact is not particularly relevant to my argument here.
Step one has been accomplished, yes
Step Two has not, and that is the issue. No healing has been done, instead the issue has been ignored in place of making everything look okay. And that is a major part of my issue here.
Everyone is saying that he has moved on to step three, but he would have to have no knowledge of psychology, psychiatry, physiology, sociology or a number of other fields to not know that simply removing the memories doesn't fix the problem.
Berra has been shown to be smarter than this.
He has to know that mental health is more complex than this solution.
That's what you think.Berra thinks it erases memories and removes their effects on the subject's personality, at least to such an extent as to effectively neutralize any major trauma.
Berra doesn't think he's "just hiding the cracked cup" to protect his ego. You do, because you don't agree with him about how the Seal works and what it does. To him, it's the equivalent of medicating someone's depression or anxiety disorder or violent episodes so that they stop becoming a threat to others.
I mean, aside from that the only way to "fix" Jaffur and Vegeta's problems would be to kill them, because if they were crazy before, they'd still be crazy now, under any plan except one that involves Sealing away their memories of the relevant abuse.
You are right though. Pretty much through your entire post that I was not seeing things through the lens of Berra's point of view...
My problem with his point of view is that he has taken a horribly complex and even indistinct problem and applied a simple solution.
No, that's the opposite of what I'm saying, and kind of insulting in my opinion.
Berra is trying to fix this. Not 'hide,' I honestly don't understand where you get that from. Fix the problem. The trouble is, how do you 'fix' the equally-powered reigning monarch of a rival nation equal in size to your own? How do you 'fix' the problem of abused child whose learned behaviors involve a lot of violence and obsession, and who is already the sixth strongest being on the planet, and who is able to defeat the first-strongest being on the planet given prep time because he's so reckless and ruthless he'll go Kaio-ken x10 to beat you?
Given the limits of the tools available, Berra may genuinely not have been able to think of any options for doing this that are obviously better than the Sealing. Not if he was sufficiently misled about Jaffur's personality, or about other factors.
I... I know that he is trying to fix things. But the Seal even the statement of what it is supposed to accomplish doesn't actually address the problems that it is supposed to solve and instead would really only wreck havoc on the brain chemistry of whoever it is placed on.
Unless there is active maintenance and real time alterations to the way that the brain functions it cannot fix any kind of madness or insanity.
I will admit that a decent portion of my rant should have been pointed at Dandeer, but I still stand by the fact that I do not see any way that Berra can let this stand if he has even the most basic understanding of how people and/or insanity works, because the sealing does not even address the problems at hand.
Also, I'm sorry for implying that about your stance on Berra.
