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Actually, I thinks this is wrong (the age difference, not the fact that they were sleeping with each other). We see Marron during the Boo arc, and she looks about 2-4 years old. At the 28th budokai, ten years later where Goku fights Uub, she'd therefore be about 12-14 years old. Meanwhile, Uub looked..about ten (not really sure)? He shouldn't be ten years older than Marron, at least.

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Actually, now that I think properly about it, Uub has to be 2-4 younger than Marron, given that Marron was alive when Boo was killed and reincarnated into Uub.

Why was Uub so focused on the god route, anyways? Pan and Piccolo archieved god level strength through sheer training, didn't they?

..Poor humans, hopefully they've been able to make some actual progress in the afterlife.

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Didn't see your post about updating, sorry!

Don't worry about it!

In order:

...aaaaaaaaand that's why I mock Toriyama's worldbuilding. They're of an age, then, roughly.

He tried sheer training. It didn't work. He theorized it might be because Saiyans knew their god form was a thing and he couldn't be sure, so he didn't have a target to shoot for. And Piccolo would only say that the way he managed it wouldn't work for anybody else.

Yeah, they had a frustrating time of it.

And now...sleepy time.

Do you need a-

I can handle it myself, this time!

Night, all.
 
Is it possible to go Ultra Super Saiyan after hitting Full Power Super Saiyan for more power or does FPSS completely obsolete it?
 
..Okay. This completely changes my opinion on Dandeer. She trapped her son in his own mind and created another person to take his place? That's fucking monstrous. Now we probably have to go to Namek in order to unseal Jaffur without killing Jaron (as he'll need an actual body, and I don't think the Senzu sorcerer is able to do that). Goddamnit. Hopefully we'll at least be able to make Jaffur the dominant personality without killing Jaron.
Is it possible to go Ultra Super Saiyan after hitting Full Power Super Saiyan for more power or does FPSS completely obsolete it?
Yup, it'll give them power at the level of an SSJ2, but they'll still be incredibly slow and have low stamina.
That said, a FPSSJ who tried to bulk up would simply go USSJ, doubling their 750 million boost and arriving at a total transformed power of 1.875 billion, but with all of the crushing endurance and speed penalties of the bulked up forms. So if you've got a really big blast that needs charging, and absolutely nothing else, it's the superior form. Thus, under the right circumstances and used by the right person, USSJ is stronger in terms of brute force, yes.
 
Well, fuck. Ok, so:

1-Jaffur is insane. It seems like anime logic applies though, so interacting with Jaron might help him like Gohan helped Piccolo. That might be the only reedeming quality of the situation.

2- Jaron is a real boy. I don't think that Jaffur being aware was intended but I did suspect the whole point was to let the memories of his experiences as Jaron help him if he was unsealed. It might be best if we took a while to undo this.

3-Hopefully, they can share the body latter. Jaron when masked, Jaffur when saiyan. Very anime-like.

4- Their sister is four, right? That means she is too young to have had her mask undone for the first time. Does that mean she also believes herself human?
 
Also, given that the next vote is probably the next turn...

List of things I want and do not want to do next turn:

Things I absolutely want to do, probably wouldn't vote for a plan that doesn't include them:

Spend time with the Misfits:
This doesn't help Kakara archieve any of her goals, but it'd prevent her from tramatized/mentally damaged.
..I also find Kakara's interactions with them adorable.

Learn how to peer into people's dreams, to talk to them, and, if possible, to bring multiple people into the same dream:
Jaffur's trapped in his own find, so interacting with him will probably do a lot for his mental health.

Things I'd like to do:
Learn the ki blocking trick:
This sounds really useful in combat, especially combined with Kakara's Instant Transmission and her excellent Hand-To-Hand Combat and Ki Sensing skills.

Learn the multi-form technique:
I doubt Kakara would get a penalty to learn this, and though it might not be that good in combat, it sounds like it'd be useful for multi-tasking/being in two places at once/creating alibis.

Learn Mind Delve or a Seer equivalent:
Again, this is an useful non-combat technique, and being a Seer and a prodigy in Ki Manipulation Kakara'd likely have an easy time learning it.

Improve Ki Control:
I'd rather not learn any styles until we know the secret behind Jaffur's, and having higher Ki Control could likely be useful either way.

Investigate one or both of the Clans:
If we want to get allies in unsealing Jaffur, getting information about the political situation sounds like a good idea.

Meet with the Senzus:
If we want to unseal Jaffur without killing off Jaron, we'll need to talk with a sorcerer. Only problem is that the Senzus might not care about killing off Jaron, but I doubt they can get him unsealed without our help, so that'd be a moot point.

Train Instant Transmission and/or Solar Flare:
They're useful, we don't have a penalty to training them and it'll prevent our combat abilities from atrophying.

Thing I'd rather not do:
Train Oozaru:
It meshes horribly with the ki blocking trick and Instant Transmission.

Thing I absolutely don't want to do:
Meet with Yammar Vegeta:
With the relevation that Jaron's an actual person, and also the information about what exactly he did to House Talt, I'd really not meet him. Not only is he a sadistic monster who deserves to die and who I'd really not have influencing either Kakara or Jaffur, he'd also happily kill off Jaron if it meant unsealing Jaffur, even if Jaffur wouldn't want it at that point.

Does anyone else have any ideas/opinions for what to do next turn?
 
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Eh I don't want SSJ4, would much rather get Super Saiyan Blue, Kakara seems like the 'aesthetically pleasing, technical fighter' while Jaffur is the 'primal power incarnate' from the brief glimpse from their fight scenes.
 
Eh I don't want SSJ4, would much rather get Super Saiyan Blue, Kakara seems like the 'aesthetically pleasing, technical fighter' while Jaffur is the 'primal power incarnate' from the brief glimpse from their fight scenes.

I think it would be neat to subvert that expectation. Have the girl be the SSJ4 and Jaffur reach Godhood. Although admittedly, if we do get SSJ4 Jaffur is going to want to get it too.
 
Uh, hey, just wondering here, if Jaffur gets a viewport of his human form's sight, couldn't we communicate with him?
I mean, it probably won't be worth anything, especially since it would alert Dandeer the instant Jaron tells her about it, but still.
 
. . . my vote wasn't intended to replace my vote, just to supplement.

And I absolutely want to spend time with the Misfits. Let's teach them some martial arts, so we can get more comfortable with our Masque.

It'll be fun! And they can protect themselves from bullies (and, after a year or two, bullets).
 
Now the only thing we need to do is create our own style, teach it to our new friends, and open up a dojo. :D
 
[X] ...things that are.

Those Without and Within
You drift on currents of motion.

The world is constantly changing, and thus to understand the world as it is, is to understand how it is changing. In knowing where it's going, you may learn where it is. And thus, to those who See, you learn not to aim for what is, but what will be, very soon. Not outright gazing into the future, but searching for the bow waves of events as they churn forward.

At least, that's what Sensei tells you. You're fairly certain that the present looks like an churning sea of really cloudy pee and vomit, and smells just as terrible. While you're submerged in it. Or maybe it's crude oil? Spoiled milk!

It's gross, and you're at a loss for words to describe it. So there.
Well that's delightfully disgusting.

You can sort of see how one could learn to pick out events as they're happening, but you haven't the faintest clue of how to start. What kind of stuff would even be important to you?

...big things? Maybe? Eeeeeeeeeeh...

...sure, why not.

You reach out and grab onto something cradled in the middle of a really big splash of whatever-the-ick-this-is, and it tugs you into its wake.
Seer powers require training and time, news at 11.


"GgggggoooooooooooooooodddddddddddDDDDAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTT!"

You sigh in recognition. Oh, hello, Jaffur WAITAMINUTE-

You snap your eyes open, and sure enough, there the other Scion is, transformed and raging.

"Jaffur!" you yell, stepping forward.

He doesn't react and Oh, right.

You settle down and watch the vision.

Jaffur has stopped swearing into the sky and is now simply screaming in fury, his aura raging around him. You take the time to look around, because where even are you?

Jaffur is Sealed. So...this must be...inside his mind?

...Jaffur's mind is boring.

It's a blank white expanse occasionally broken up by blank white rocks that look more like weird sculptures than anything else. Did he like the stories about the Hyperbolic Time Chamber or something? This is a little overboard.

Jaffur finally runs out of scream. "Stupid fool," he mutters, falling to his knees. "Stupid fool." He looks up at the sky, for some reason. "Told you better than that. You should have known..."

You find yourself stepping away at the mutterings. That doesn't sound right.

"Stupid fool, stupid fool..."

Your shoulder brushes against a rock-

Jaffur's eyes snap over-

"Who's there?"

"Jaffur?"

His hand comes up full of ki-

You clutch at the rock in sudden fear and-
Poor guy.
* * *

Gone.

* * *
Jaffur.

It is a quiet name, drifting through your mind.

You do not remember when your mother first told you that you were once, in the womb, a twin. Apparently, it happens often -- an embryo splits, briefly becoming twins, and then reforms.

Ever since, you have played a game of imagining your little -- naturally, as you would obviously have come first -- brother.

You named him Jaffur, though you're not sure why.
Wait a sec-
* * *​

To be Jaffur Vegeta is to be many things.

Insane, indisputably so. And that is rather at the forefront of things at the moment.

You are more, however.

You are trapped, caged. Worse, you are aware. Typically, when the Masque is active, the Saiyan sleeps, and vice-versa. Not so here. It would have been easy, that way, and being Sealed is no easy thing.
....Really.
Insanity was probably a "seed" before but made exponentially worse by...well, by everything.
But this also makes me think Lord Vegeta Vegeta of Clan Vegeta (hehe) is probably asleep inside his mask.
...Which is kind of fine with me? The dude's just...yeah.

* * *​

Jaffur would look exactly the same as you, of course. Twins do that. But he would do all the things you couldn't do, because then it would be like one person doing all of the things.

You are, of course, only eight -- almost nine! Such sentences still make sense, at your age.

But when you think of Jaffur, you think of a strong, brave boy who never has to worry about bullies or Dad being gone for hours on end.

You think you'd be quite lucky, to be Jaffur.

* * *​

This is, roughly, what it's like to be Jaffur Vegeta right now.

screamingragingcryingfrothingatthemouthillkillyouillkillthemillkillallofthemmotherwhyfatherwhywereyousoweakyouwereminetokillmineminemineandnowyouresealedtooillfindawayoutandburnyoualltoashyouredeaddeadDEAD

* * *​

Jaffur would, before anything else, be somebody who would always listen to you and had a kind ear ready.

Of course, he would also stand ready to carry out your orders at all times. You were, after all, the older brother.

You had not decided whether or not the two of you would share a room. On the one hand, companionship! On the other...eh.

Goodness knew that Delilah was obnoxious enough when she had a nightmare, what would somebody who lived in your room be like?
This is...kind of sweet, actually. I'm starting to like Jaron.

* * *​

Jaffur is, in all things, precise. Measured. He values speed and efficiency, because he likes it when things are tidy.

"I'LL RIP YOU APART AND PEE ON WHAT'S LEFT! I'LL SERVE YOU TO YOURSELF IN MAC AND CHEESE!"

And then, there is family.
....Uh.

* * *​

It is, in truth, little different from having an imaginary friend. Somebody to think up and talk to when you really needed some support.

Somebody nobody else saw, or heard.

Somebody who you occasionally dreamed of.

* * *​

Jaffur abruptly stops, looking at the person in his domain. "Who are you?"

The little human boy perks up. "Jaffur?"

Sanity returns, however briefly. "Seriously, who are you? How are you even in here?"

"I thought you didn't exist!"

Jaffur frowns. "Okay, are we talking past each other? I feel like we are."

The boy stands up from where he was sitting. "Whoa, you talk like you're crazy-smart. Y'know, we're eight. Nobody expects that from us." A smile spiders its way across the boy's face. "Then again, adults are terribly boring about things like vocabulary, aren't they?"

Jaffur slowly smirks back. "At their best," he says.

"Heh, I know, right?"

Jaffur shakes his head. "Seriously, though, who are you? I didn't think anybody could make it in here."

The boy's face falls. "Oh." Then he shakes his head. "I'm your older brother!" He holds out a hand. "Jaron."

Jaffur stiffens, everything focusing down to a few narrow points about how if he puts his foot on Jaron's chest and tugs he'll rip the boy's arm off and kill him and then be free free free-

-but if it were that easy, mother wouldn't deserve the title of Master Sorceress. No, this is just a dream. Just one of Jaron's dreams.

Jaffur sighs bitterly and turns away. "Go away, Jaron. This isn't a good time."

Jaron stares after his retreating brother for a moment and then darts forward, grabbing his arm. "Nah, it's a great time! C'mon, let's go play hide-and-seek!"

"I- wha- get off me!" splutters Jaffur, pulling free.

"Nah. Now, you've got to find me, okay! Count to twenty. No cheating!"

Jaffur stares at this madman who is apparently his Seal, aghast. Well, that's just lovely. He rolls his eyes. "You know what? Sure. Go ahead." He turns away. "One. Two. Three."

He can follow Jaron's scuffling with contemptuous ease. Not that he'll be bothering with this whole farce, but it's something.

And then, the scuffling stops. "O- oh. Hey, Thomas."

Jaffur glances over and- WHAT.

Jaron stands before a stereotypically-inflated boy their age with a leering smile that is literally wider than his face. Jaffur grunts in annoyance as the...thing...grunts something that presumably translates to language. Jaron stumbles back, caught in dream logic.

"N- no," he says, fetching up against a wall that rises behind his back. "Stay away, I don't have anything for you. Leave me alone." His breath comes faster and faster. "Please? Don't...Jaffur? Jaffur, HELP-!"

"Focus Ray."

A thin beam of golden light cores the sack of shit's skull, and Jaffur lowers his arm, scowling. He shakes his head as if trying to clear it. Then his eyes fall on Jaron and he growls, stalking over. "The hell was that?!" he demands, pulling the other boy around. "You brought a nightmare here? What's wrong with y- ack!"

Jaron flings his arms around Jaffur's neck. "Thank you!"

Jaffur shoves him away. "Get off me! What were you thinking, just standing there? Push back!"

"But he's bigger than me!" Jaron smiles. "Plus, I knew you'd come help me."

Jaffur gives him a bewildered glare. "That's no excuse! I live here, moron, I can't come with you back into the outside world! What are you going to do when the real version of that guy shows up?"

Jaron shrugs. "Run away?"

Jaffur seethes for a moment. "Never. Let me. Hear you say that again. What happens if he's faster? What if you're on ground that he knows and you don't? What happens when there's nowhere left to run?"

Jaron shrugs. "I...don't know."

Jaffur steps up close. "You. Fight. Back." He shakes his head, stepping away.

Jaron looks at him as he walks off. "I mean, you'll protect me when I'm here, right?"

"No!"

Jaron looks at the corpse, swiftly dissolving back into the substance of dreams. "Well...?"

"That was just reflex! Don't make anything of it."

Jaron watches, and shrugs. "Well, okay. I'm going to wake up now. Maybe I'll remember this when I do."

Jaffur snorts.

Jaron waves. "Well...bye! I'll see if I can remember about fighting back."

Jaffur doesn't answer.

Jaron shrugs and dissolves. Jaffur sighs, relaxing. Finally, some peace and-

You okay, sweetie?

His eyes snap open and he looks up at the sky.

As if projected on a great screen, Jaron's point of view is lit up on that sky. And he's looking up at his mother.

Jaffur hisses, his bones creaking where his fingers dig into them.

"I'm alright, Mom. Just had a dream."

What about?

"Something about Thomas. I had somebody there who helped save me! I was trapped and called out, and then there was this light like, 'WHOOOOOOOOSH!' and BANG! And Thomas was gone."

O- oh. That's a bit violent, don't you think?

"Maybe. I felt safe, though. It was nice."


Jaffur sits back as the conversation continues, thoroughly nonplussed. His grip loosens and his posture relaxes. His face even untwists from its usual scowl. With a certain amount of attention, one might observe the corners turning upward in a sad smile.

* * *​

This is how it feels to be Jaffur Vegeta right now.

Wistful.

He settles in, and watches his brother talk about the hero who saved him.
...Okay.

NEW PRIORITY: Jaffur and Jaron must be saved.

Also, I honestly think this is an unintended side effect of what Dandeer did to Jaffur. I keep
* * *

Back.

* * *
You do not gasp your way back into the waking world. You simply...open your eyes.

Jaffur. He's...alive? Buried. But...awake, somehow.

He knew you were there, for just a second, when you touched that rock -- and what was that, anyway?

And...Jaron.

Jaron Somerlad...is a real person.

You don't know what to think about this.

Downstairs, a bell tolls as the clock ticks over and the year turns.

You do not sleep that night.

* * *
Seers are weird.

I am crashing out, and the only reason I could write this much is because I wrote much of it shortly after the "Prelude" update and most of this was a matter of editing. The Year 2 turn options will be up tomorrow! Feel free to discuss among yourselves what you've learned just now and what in general you'd like to accomplish for the year. As a reminder, I'm still accepting ideas from write-ins, so if you really want something, bring it up in the discussion and I'll see about making it an option if it's not one already (if not, I'll tell you why).

I hoe you enjoy this one!
This is all quite interesting.

Eh I don't want SSJ4, would much rather get Super Saiyan Blue, Kakara seems like the 'aesthetically pleasing, technical fighter' while Jaffur is the 'primal power incarnate' from the brief glimpse from their fight scenes.


I think it would be neat to subvert that expectation. Have the girl be the SSJ4 and Jaffur reach Godhood. Although admittedly, if we do get SSJ4 Jaffur is going to want to get it too.
This also sounds interesting.

Why not combine them.
Yes, a point I've made repeatedly! Thanks for getting on-board! :D
 
Combining them probably isn't possible, though, even if Super Saiyan 4 actually exists. I mean, I don't think anyone's seen a Super Saiyan Blue 2 or 3.
Super saiyan 2 and 3 are overclocking of the super saiyan form. Super Saiyan 4 is something completely different. It combines the great ape forms boost and hardniess with the boost of the super saiyan form into a human sized being. You should be able to use god ki while in super saiyan 4.
 
Though I wonder : does SSJ4 even exists here? I mean, DB Super replaced GT in the continuity, so technically, neither Goku nor Vegeta ever reached it. I know the QM stated that he might use the "non-stupid" elements from GT, but that doesn't imply SSJ4 is a thing.
 
Though I wonder : does SSJ4 even exists here? I mean, DB Super replaced GT in the continuity, so technically, neither Goku nor Vegeta ever reached it. I know the QM stated that he might use the "non-stupid" elements from GT, but that doesn't imply SSJ4 is a thing.
GT is officially an alternate time line.

I always found SSJ4 to make a ton of sense.
 
Though I wonder : does SSJ4 even exists here? I mean, DB Super replaced GT in the continuity, so technically, neither Goku nor Vegeta ever reached it. I know the QM stated that he might use the "non-stupid" elements from GT, but that doesn't imply SSJ4 is a thing.
@PoptartProdigy has been intentionally cagey about what happened beyond the Buu saga. The answer to "does SSJ4 exist" has been a resounding "maybe".
 
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