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The aliens seem subservient to the leader. We don't know his PL but presumably, it should be somewhere between 1.5 and 10 millon (Maya's max PL and ship's max cloathing capablilities). Now, the scouts had to be among the strongests and the max we saw was 500k. Keira had 300k.

So, presumably, if we beat the leader hard enough, the rest of the fleet should surrender. Given the number of saiyans there are, we can make our soldiers fight somewhere between 300 and 500k PL and still crush most of the fleet. Since we don't know how many fighters they have, set their initial PL at less than a 100k and make them power to 500k in numbers depending of the opposition.

Meanwhile, we can either send Brandon kick the leader's ass with a will power push taking him to 10M (should be enough since he has Goku level skill fighting) or we can train team fighting and send Maya, Karen and Brandon, with possible guest appearance of grandma. I rather we sent Brandon alone though.

On the upside, the guy is human so I doubt he is hiding a transformation. And since Maya is "freakishly strong) then we ain't dealing with her level of bullshit with Tammar.
 
For masquerade purposes it would be best if we could get Maya strong enough to beat the leader. Dad has been preparing her as an attention magnet.
 
fictionfan said:
For masquerade purposes it would be best if we could get Maya strong enough to beat the leader. Dad has been preparing her as an attention magnet.
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She might get strong enough PL wise but there is no way she would be skilled enough for that in this timeframe.

I know it was said Berra was Goku come again but that is only regarding his fighting skills. He is not the type to pull a Cell Games Switch Out.
 
Bakkasama said:
She might get strong enough PL wise but there is no way she would be skilled enough for that in this timeframe.
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At a certain level of power level skill no longer matters.

@PoptartProdigy : We want/need to really bring Maya's power level. However I don't think she is going to make full progress if Kakara lags behind too much. Dad has been showing his power level as 1 million. Does his plan allow for Kakara to go beyond that?
 
fictionfan said:
At a certain level of power level skill no longer matters.

@PoptartProdigy : We want/need to really bring Maya's power level. However I don't think she is going to make full progress if Kakara lags behind too much. Dad has been showing his power level as 1 million. Does his plan allow for Kakara to go beyond that?
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Sure is. Given...other factors...that plan was about to go out the window shortly anyway.
 
fictionfan said:
At a certain level of power level skill no longer matters.

@PoptartProdigy : We want/need to really bring Maya's power level. However I don't think she is going to make full progress if Kakara lags behind too much. Dad has been showing his power level as 1 million. Does his plan allow for Kakara to go beyond that?
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That was when Maya was going to be the face of ki users. Right now Brandon is taking that place.

He probably will still want Maya to be the strongest for when we venture back to space as the original plan but he will likely remain the strongest for a few years still until Maya is old enough not to be influenced by Garenhulders.
 
So how long until we get the actions for year 5? We have been talking about them for a long time.
 
So... Exactly how much potential does Maya have? Could she eventually surpass us if we run out of super saiyan forms?
 
Just for the record, we did get the scout leader into secure custody, right? Because Tamar's going to be really surprised if he turns out to be totally unharmed.

Also, this vision suggests that the alien army's average power levels aren't much different from what we saw among the scouts. Tamar is definitely an outlier in that he seems confident of his ability to handle Maya (power level 780-1500 thousand, depending on what they saw of her peak) and 'Brandon Marsden' (power level one million when last we checked). The question is, HOW powerful is he?

The armor successfully masks Tamar's ki. Again, we know the scout ship itself has a ki-masking limit, as I recall around ten million. It is highly unlikely that their armor is better at masking ki than their spaceship is... although come to think of it possible. The ship could be designed as a 'shelter,' a place where ki users can safely take their armor off without being detected, but NOT a place where they can power up to their maximum levels and still avoid detection.

Furthermore, Tamar may not be fully powered up in this vision, so I suppose we can't use this to say "his power level must be somewhere between two and ten million."

Alex pears said:
Well... so far he doesn't seem as bad Freza or anything...

I mean he's got some loyalty to subordinates and didn't kill that staffer out of hand so that already makes him more moral than most DBZ villeins.
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That's... a pretty low bar. :p

Aranfan said:
I thought Dad's masque name was Bruce?
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If Superman calls you on the phone and says he's negotiating on behalf of hundreds of thousands of lesser supermen and superwomen, and he says his name is "Brandon," you damn well call him Brandon. :D

PoptartProdigy said:
They have ki dampening cells. They sure as shit ain't mobile, though.
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Could they be built into a box the size of, say, a semi trailer? Or something of about that volume? Because if so, they're "mobile" in the sense that we could fly around carrying them, assuming they only damp ki inside themselves, not outside.

Gore17 said:
The downside is that hostiles aliens underestimate and attack in the first place. This is a place where he who can kick the most ass, rules.

In the future, we're going to have to increase the PL we show to the galaxy. It doesn't have to be amazing, we're in the space boonies, it just has to be enough that we don't appear a soft target.
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I'm not so sure. Us having no reputation meant it took centuries for anyone to even think of finding us, and even then they only found us because they were scouting this whole sector of the galaxy looking for someone weak to pick on. If we had a known galaxy-wide reputation as "weak," people would be more likely to attack us, not less. If we had a galaxy-wide reputation as "relatively strong," people would be curious and try to recruit us.

If we can somehow make this army 'vanish without a trace,' so that no one in the larger galaxy knows where they have gone or what happened to them, that would be GREAT. It may well not be possible, especially without mass murder, but I'd rather avoid or minimize the degree to which we even have a galactic reputation of any kind.

PoptartProdigy said:
Folks, you take @The Fourth Monado way too seriously. He enjoys teasing you, remember? He's promised me not to reveal spoilers in my quest. You can rest easy.
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@PoptartProdigy , if The Fourth Monado made any such promises to you, he has already broken them.

Because telling people that their good-faith attempts to deduce and speculate about what's going on in the game world are, to paraphrase, 'ahahaha wrong!" is itself a form of spoiler. It can be a highly obnoxious form of spoiler when it's done heavily enough, too. Because my choices now that I've been 'ahahaha wronged' are twofold, and neither branch is a good outcome.

One option is to completely ignore that The Fourth Monado even posted, in which case I should just block him and have done with it, because he does this a lot.

The other option is to recognize that my entire line of speculation and reasoning, despite being assembled in good faith based on the information available to me, is utterly wrong, and I can't replace it with a new hypothesis, because it's wrong for reasons I'm not allowed to know about. All I can do is make up new hypotheses at random, groping blindly in darkness. And I do this knowing that any and all of my hypotheses are probably wrong, and that there's someone out there who's just laughing at me for even trying. That I'll get no positive feedback for being right, and there's a high chance of negative feedback for being wrong.

This latter scenario is discouraging and makes me want to pack up my bags and leave, because it makes me feel disrespected.

Pure blobs of cackling negation may not seem like spoilers... but they are.

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Now, there ARE legitimate uses for this kind of leaked "your current speculation is baseless or wrong" communications from QM to player. You just recently did a good job using it to prevent the playerbase from baselessly panicking, or to direct their speculation along more productive lines. A good example of this was when you stepped in to tell us that Dandeer didn't cast a mind control spell on Berra just before the Sealing, because we were starting to freak out and come up with highly dubious contingency plans where we speculated that practically the whole world had been brainwashed by Dandeer's omniscient mind control.

[No I'm not saying "everyone panicked," I'm saying the collective tone of the thread as a whole was tilting in the direction of panic.]

But doing it to control panic or restore order when the thread discussion starts going off the deep end... is not the same as just delivering a zero-content "ahahaha no" whenever someone puts a lot of time and effort into a speculative theory that's wrong because of something they couldn't have known about.

One is moderation, the other is heckling. My point is that I'm getting damn tired of being heckled.
 
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Simon_Jester said:
Could they be built into a box the size of, say, a semi trailer? Or something of about that volume? Because if so, they're "mobile" in the sense that we could fly around carrying them, assuming they only damp ki inside themselves, not outside.
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That is feasible, yes. The trailers themselves would not exactly be feasible capture tools, but they would work as mobile detention centers.
 
Simon_Jester said:
I'm not so sure. Us having no reputation meant it took centuries for anyone to even think of finding us, and even then they only found us because they were scouting this whole sector of the galaxy looking for someone weak to pick on. If we had a known galaxy-wide reputation as "weak," people would be more likely to attack us, not less. If we had a galaxy-wide reputation as "relatively strong," people would be curious and try to recruit us.

If we can somehow make this army 'vanish without a trace,' so that no one in the larger galaxy knows where they have gone or what happened to them, that would be GREAT. It may well not be possible, especially without mass murder, but I'd rather avoid or minimize the degree to which we even have a galactic reputation of any kind.
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You misunderstand. Not being noticed in the first place is/was desirable, yes, but appearing defenceless when the aliens did show up bit us in the ass. A reputation wasn't needed for that.

Nor was I saying we had to be "relatively strong". Being average for our region of space probably would have been enough. And I think you're overestimating the curiosity: as I said, we're in the space boonies. Most of the galaxy hears and knows nothing of regions closer then us, let alone our region of space, which is by all indications fairly calm.
PoptartProdigy said:
That is feasible, yes. The trailers themselves would not exactly be feasible capture tools, but they would work as mobile detention centers.
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Yeah, wasn't imagining them as capture tools, so much as something we could easily dump those captured in quickly, and hold them long enough to be transported to someplace more permanent.

Because instant transmissioning each and every fighter captured to a holding cell, splitting up the team and overworking the poor transport people is just bad form.

I mean, putting things together so you can transport them in one go is a basic method.

Restraints you could just slap on people would be awesome though.
 
Idea for Omake: The reaction of Brandon's co-workers at the garage when it comes out he is the leader of a secret society of supermen. Either that of the reaction of a random citizen, when he sees the news as says "Hey! That guy fixed my car the other day!"
 
Bakkasama said:
Idea for Omake: The reaction of Brandon's co-workers at the garage when it comes out he is the leader of a secret society of supermen. Either that of the reaction of a random citizen, when he sees the news as says "Hey! That guy fixed my car the other day!"
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Never could understand why he didn't have have any position of athority in the normal world. His skills should easily translate.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
Something snaps, and you lunge to your feet. "Do you know how many nukes I had to stop yesterday?! Ten! Ten! One of them was so new, it went up into space! Aramaia wanted revenge for the invasion so bad they invented a whole new way to kill a lot of people just to make sure it got through. Tastreya isn't big enough to have ten things to nuke! I had to stop them from murdering a country! And then I get back to school and the aliens show up! And then I try to talk to them but their stupid leader won't let me get them all, we have to fight, and this big secret my people have been keeping for centuries gets blown open in five minutes! And now I have to sit here and listen to you yelling at me about it! So no, Jenny, I'm not sorry. I didn't ask for this to come out this way. We were going to tell you later, when we could do this quietly! But now because of some stupid aliens, I have to deal with the whole world being afraid of me, and you too!"
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Goddammit. Thought we were gonna keep that on the down low for now.

And we learned absolutely nothing new with that vision. Future Sight next time guys.

Year 5 post hype.
 
fictionfan said:
Never could understand why he didn't have have any position of athority in the normal world. His skills should easily translate.
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What most consider work, he considers his weekend.

He loves his time at the shop.

Its the only time he gets to sit back, untuck his pants and not have the weight of the world on his shoulders, to just be a normal beer drinking hockey nut.
 
ChronOblivion said:
Goddammit. Thought we were gonna keep that on the down low for now.

And we learned absolutely nothing new with that vision. Future Sight next time guys.

Year 5 post hype.
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Don't count on it. Present sight will probably win. We expect them to arrive in year 5, and the result of the conflict will complete in year 5. That means we will be more likely to not see a fleet approach the planet if we see the present.
 
ChronOblivion said:
Goddammit. Thought we were gonna keep that on the down low for now.
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The nuclear exchange, realistically, and your involvement therein, is no longer a secret. The Tastreyans know their AA isn't that effective. So do the Aramaians. They were chalking it up to freak accident.

Then you happened. The secret is now in the open as far as you're concerned.
Marlin said:
Don't count on it. Present sight will probably win. We expect them to arrive in year 5, and the result of the conflict will complete in year 5. That means we will be more likely to not see a fleet approach the planet if we see the present.
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*Year 6
 
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