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Dragon Ball: After the End

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[X] "To be blunt? I was trying to figure out who was involved in teaching Jaffur a style that I had never heard or seen of before--and apparently nobody else had either. I'm not entirely sure why you have such a serious problem with this, it's not as though reverse engineering someone's techniques is unheard of."
 
[X] "To be blunt? I was trying to figure out who was involved in teaching Jaffur a style that I had never heard or seen of before--and apparently nobody else had either. I'm not entirely sure why you have such a serious problem with this, it's not as though reverse engineering someone's techniques is unheard of."
 
Alectai said:
[X] "To be blunt? I was trying to figure out who was involved in teaching Jaffur a style that I had never heard or seen of before--and apparently nobody else had either. I'm not entirely sure why you have such a serious problem with this, it's not as though reverse engineering someone's techniques is unheard of."
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Should the first "who" be a "what" or...? Basically having trouble parsing the second sentence.
 
[X] "To be blunt? I was trying to figure out who was involved in teaching Jaffur a style that I had never heard or seen of before--and apparently nobody else had either. I'm not entirely sure why you have such a serious problem with this, it's not as though reverse engineering someone's techniques is unheard of."

She seems to have spread her fear of her husband into anything too strongly associated with him, so if Jaffur's style is like his Father's, or was something his father helped him create, then she may associate the style itself with her family's monstrosity (as she sees it). As such, we shouldn't tell her we want to adopt it, but rather learn and record it. Maybe let her know of our sort of scholarly leanings, maybe build a rapport regarding lore. (Saiyan sorcery is still esoteric lore right?)

On the other hand? She could see Jaffur teaching us as a sign of his 'Penitence', his Vegeta esque redemption from genocidal space-monster to ally and God-ancestor. Therefore, she might be more open to restoring him and apologizing; possibly mollifying the religious and her clan.

(Speculation)
I sort of want to reassure her that we won't let her son or husband hurt her even if they are released, to help her calm down. Hopefully if she gets burned as a heretic, we can prevent her husband or son from being released before the events, and her husband forever. Maybe impose it as a sort of capital punishment. I mean, it's not like she's not living with their masques, so she can't distance herself from the memories or let them fade.
 
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[X] I spent a long time studying all the known styles, and by chance momentarily stumbled into the right mindset in that moment. His style seemed absurdly good and I wanted to know how he invented it.
 
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Alectai said:
Try to goad her into tripping, letting something slip, without saying that "Oh, X person taught it to me."
Since if she flips out because "AUUUGH CLAN SECRETS" then that means that she knows who taught him this super powerful, super lethal style, and that she doesn't want this being public knowledge.

She basically gave us an opening a mile wide to probe her with from her own neroses, escalating unecessarily before we're ready to act is folly. She might let something slip that she'd normally wouldn't while being all calm and composed. This is also not something that makes us directly look like we're conspiring against her (More than we already are anyway)
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I'm almost 100% sure she isn't flipping out because "AUUUGH CLAN SECRETS", but because she was sure she'd never have to see Jaffur's style or any of his other techniques after he got sealed. If someone did teach him the style, then she wouldn't be freaking out over him possibly being unsealed in order to teach us.

Furthermore, I really don't want to goad her or provoke her in any way. The entire point of this meeting is to get some sort of basis for a future working relationship with her and to make sure she isn't going to harass us because she thinks we might be plotting against her/plotting to unseal Jaffur. In her current unstable state, I'm not sure it'd take much to make her view us as an enemy, and we do not want that.

I'm also not sure what exactly you want her to let slip. If she has some sort of plan, she's certainly not going to let that slip.
 
Looking at the available styles, I can't help thinking that Trunks style would be best to help against the Enemy. Pragmatic and good against numerous stronger enemies screams SV to me.
 
Yajirobe style!

His sword actually worked. -probably because he knew how not to lose, break, or petrify it every five minutes.
 
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[X] "To be blunt? I was trying to figure out who was involved in teaching Jaffur a style that I had never heard or seen of before--and apparently nobody else had either. I'm not entirely sure why you have such a serious problem with this, it's not as though reverse engineering someone's techniques is unheard of."

My ideal situation is to seal Dandeer as punishment while keeping Lord Vegeta sealed as well with Jaffur the only one getting his freedom. Also I'd try to avoid pissing her off right after we patch things up with dad, and until we're sure she can be contained while we unseal Jaffur.
 
[X] I spent a long time studying all the known styles, and by chance momentarily stumbled into the right mindset in that moment. His style seemed absurdly good and I wanted to know how he invented it.

So, question. Does the weight voting caused by pacifist apply here?

Also, for the thread. Any ideas to offset the malus to learning fighting techniques and styles for when the baddies come about? Cause unless we make techniques and style full of non lethal options, it sounds like shooting us in the foot.
 
[X] "To be blunt? I was trying to figure out what was involved in teaching Jaffur a style that I had never heard or seen of before--and apparently nobody else had either. I'm not entirely sure why you have such a serious problem with this, it's not as though reverse engineering someone's techniques is unheard of."
 
Bakkasama said:
[X] I spent a long time studying all the known styles, and by chance momentarily stumbled into the right mindset in that moment. His style seemed absurdly good and I wanted to know how he invented it.

So, question. Does the weight voting caused by pacifist apply here?

Also, for the thread. Any ideas to offset the malus to learning fighting techniques and styles for when the baddies come about? Cause unless we make techniques and style full of non lethal options, it sounds like shooting us in the foot.
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Once I throw up a vote tally I'll see which options are, in all practicality, outright escalating to violence and weight against them. The ones that escalate, but not necessarily to violence, will be as usual. The ones that de-escalate benefit from the Pacifist bonus.

Lailoken said:
Wait, the Senzu completely disappeared off of the face of the planet- and aren't they the ones guarding the spaceship?
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Oh yes. Yes they are.
 
I kinda hope we'll be able to make a Pacifist Runner Style. One that focuses on dodging, talking people down, and in extremis non-lethal take downs.

Eventually.
 
As always, all of your traits apply to any given decision; use your heads when figuring out how the older ones apply, because I do not have the kind of time to list them all. ;) The reason I list out how Pacifist applies below is because it's new, and given that it weights votes, you need to know how that comes into it if you plan on voting tactically (which I don't have a problem with).

That said, as a free tip: bear in mind that traits can interact in sometimes-unclear ways. If you want to really pile on the bonuses, for instance, a really game-y strategy could be escalating to the point where the situation become tense, charged, and on the verge of collapse, and then defuse using the bonuses from both Pacifist and Decisive, which would also benefit from Oddball given how off from normal behavior that it. And, of course, Socializer will apply to any and all checks. This isn't a suggestion or me telling you what the "right" way is -- for instance, doing the above option treads perilously close to "Hot-Blooded," and forfeits any bonuses from "Level-Headed" entirely -- just pointing out that you have some indirect options, if you wish. Present tallies:

Vote tally:
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[X] I spent a long time studying all the known styles, and by chance momentarily stumbled into the right mindset in that moment. His style seemed absurdly good and I wanted to know how he invented it.
No. of votes: 5
Terrabrand, ChildishChimera, Nathaniel Wolff, Zuduke, Bakkasama

Attempts to de-escalate an obviously- if confusingly-charged situation, and thus benefits from the Pacifist trait. I make no comment on what precisely Lady Vegeta is thinking and if the above addresses that.

[X] I saw it and figured it out myself.
No. of votes: 2
Walkin' Man, ApocalypticFish

Blunt. Simple. Honest. Addresses her question. Gets the bonus.

[X] I figured it out myself. To honor the dead.
No. of votes: 5
Gamerlord, SailorOfMyVessel, veekie, Fastrike, dunk1010

Escalates, but not necessarily to violence and thus experiences no weighting. It's a hell of an escalation, though, so gets no particular pacifism bonuses.

[x] He didn't teach me. I've spent much of the year trying to figure it out myself. I'm not quite there yet, but I'm getting better at it.
No. of votes: 2
Aranfan, Kelirapc

Mechanically similar to the option up top, and again, I make no comment on if it matches her mindset.

[X] First. Let me be honest with you. I will always be honest with you. What you did last summer? It was a horrible, awful thing, no matter what you tell yourself, no matter your justification, you did a monstrous thing to your son, his screams haunt me. And I will never forgive you. Live with that. To answer the question asked. I figured it out myself. Can't get help from a dead boy. The walking corpse you call Jaron doesn't even know about ki. What would be the point?
No. of votes: 2
MrGazzer, Ct613hulu

Ultimate escalation option, which will almost certainly cause violence to break out, and thus is weighted at 0.5x. Thus, this option is at an effective one vote. That said, it's so spectacularly vicious in tone and diction that you'll get a moderate bonus to making her lose control. If that's what you're going for, bandwagon on this.

[X] I spent a long time studying all the known styles, and by chance momentarily stumbled into the right mindset in that moment. His style seemed absurdly good and I wanted to know how he invented it.
-[X] Tell her everything you found out about it.
No. of votes: 1
Bommelom

The sub-vote for sharing everything makes it separate from the one up top, but otherwise this is mechanically indistinct from the first option.

[X] To be blunt? I was trying to figure out what was involved in teaching Jaffur a style that I had never heard or seen of before--and apparently nobody else had either. I'm not entirely sure why you have such a serious problem with this, it's not as though reverse engineering someone's techniques is unheard of.
No. of votes: 7
Alectai, Derkan, KnightDisciple, Scotchtape27, Yorick's Skull, Kairos123, Icefyre

Our current front-runner. Given that you're speaking to an adult, you'll come off as impudent, so this does not receive the pacifism bonus due to the slight escalation. That said, it's not openly provocative, so no vote weighting applies.
Vote tally:
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[X] Skeptical. Worship...Jiichan? He's...he's Jiichan. That's just weird. Gods don't give hugs on-demand.
No. of votes: 15
dunk1010, Walkin' Man, Bommelom, KnightDisciple, jamie96969, Nathaniel Wolff, ApocalypticFish, ShadowAngelBeta, Jazzberry, Aranfan, Kairos123, ChildishChimera, Zuduke, adaer, KaintukeeBob

You can't reconcile a god and a Grandpa, and thus settle on Grandpa. Our current leader by a huge margin.

[X] Accepting. You have stood in the presence of Son Gohan in the very heart of the Otherworld and experienced the full might of his divine presence. You could do no less than feel at least a smidgen of worship.
No. of votes: 2
Terrabrand, Teen Spirit

You can't reconcile a god and a Grandpa, and thus settle on god.

[X] Disinterested. You're not really into religion, overall. It doesn't really matter to you when the real world's right there. As Jiichan said, deal with what's in front of you first. Hokey religions can come later.
No. of votes: 2
Kelirapc, veekie

You can't reconcile a god and a Grandpa, but who cares?

[X] Curious. You're not sure what you think yet, but you'd like to learn more.
No. of votes: 3
Thriceboiled, Icefyre, Lailoken

You can't reconcile a god and a Grandpa, but you want to try.

Questions?
 
[X] "To be blunt? I was trying to figure out what was involved in teaching Jaffur a style that I had never heard or seen of before--and apparently nobody else had either. I'm not entirely sure why you have such a serious problem with this, it's not as though reverse engineering someone's techniques is unheard of."

Eh, that seems better.

Also, change of vote.

[X] Curious. You're not sure what you think yet, but you'd like to learn more.

Since I don't really want skeptical winning.
 
[X] To be blunt? I was trying to figure out what was involved in teaching Jaffur a style that I had never heard or seen of before--and apparently nobody else had either. I'm not entirely sure why you have such a serious problem with this, it's not as though reverse engineering someone's techniques is unheard of.
[X] Curious. You're not sure what you think yet, but you'd like to learn more.

I had thought "Skeptical" would be in the "middle range" of attitudes, even with the "gods don't give hugs". Seeing as it's not, I'm switching to Curious. We're a child, we don't understand everything yet, but this doesn't lock us into immediate deific reverence.
 
[X] I spent a long time studying all the known styles, and by chance momentarily stumbled into the right mindset in that moment. His style seemed absurdly good and I wanted to know how he invented it.

[X] Skeptical. Worship...Jiichan? He's...he's Jiichan. That's just weird. Gods don't give hugs on-demand.
 
[X] To be blunt? I was trying to figure out what was involved in teaching Jaffur a style that I had never heard or seen of before--and apparently nobody else had either. I'm not entirely sure why you have such a serious problem with this, it's not as though reverse engineering someone's techniques is unheard of.
[X] Curious. You're not sure what you think yet, but you'd like to learn more.
 
Whelp, finding the Senzu just jumped a great deal in priority. I'm surprised nobody else has put that together and started flipping out. Can we trace Betarel? We're familiar with him and he is powerful.


Jaffur's style actually smells a bit like Kami. Considering that her aura was flaring blue when she failed, it may reflect a divine influence. Beerus was a downright surgical fighter. It's possible that Jaffur was a Seer or Mage himself.
 
[X] I developed an enhanced version of the Mind Delve technique that can access Jaron's latent, Sealed memories from about a mile away. I've been using it roughly monthly on him and his father. Despite remembering everything about using the style, I can barely scratch the surface. Your son was truly a prodigy in so many areas. It's sad that I'll never get the change to tell him so."

Let's just bounce the emotional rollercoaster all over the trampoline, talk ourselves up with a BIG LIE, and scramble her sense of "I know what's going on" worse than the metaphor at the start of this sentence.

Play up that Oddball trait, let some of our Hot-Bloodedness speak up, but Pacify the situation at the end.

Oh, and the above has a tiny bit of truth in it! So it's not a complete lie.

Oh, and to keep the tally prog happy:

[X] Skeptical. Worship...Jiichan? He's...he's Jiichan. That's just weird. Gods don't give hugs on-demand.
 
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