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Dragon Ball: After the End

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[X] Yes. (Willpower check with a DC of 60 to successfully make time. If you fail, lose a random action. The actions covered above are mandatory or were rolled as occurring at a higher priority than this, and thus are safe. Cookies for this roll must be declared in advance, as a part of your vote. This will keep you from being such an obtrusive loner, but you'll have to make a very low-difficulty Deceit check to not drop a hint that makes somebody suspicious)
 
[x] Yes. (Willpower check with a DC of 60 to successfully make time. If you fail, lose a random action. The actions covered above are mandatory or were rolled as occurring at a higher priority than this, and thus are safe. Cookies for this roll must be declared in advance, as a part of your vote. This will keep you from being such an obtrusive loner, but you'll have to make a very low-difficulty Deceit check to not drop a hint that makes somebody suspicious)
 
KaintukeeBob said:
With 'Yes' looking like it's winning out, how many cookies have been promised to it?
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One from dunk1010.

dunk1010 said:
[X] Yes. (Willpower check with a DC of 60 to successfully make time. If you fail, lose a random action. The actions covered above are mandatory or were rolled as occurring at a higher priority than this, and thus are safe. Cookies for this roll must be declared in advance, as a part of your vote. This will keep you from being such an obtrusive loner, but you'll have to make a very low-difficulty Deceit check to not drop a hint that makes somebody suspicious)
I will toss my cookie in this.
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[X] Yes. (Willpower check with a DC of 60 to successfully make time. If you fail, lose a random action. The actions covered above are mandatory or were rolled as occurring at a higher priority than this, and thus are safe. Cookies for this roll must be declared in advance, as a part of your vote. This will keep you from being such an obtrusive loner, but you'll have to make a very low-difficulty Deceit check to not drop a hint that makes somebody suspicious)
 
Bommelom said:
One from dunk1010.
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It'd be super good if you or @Macros or @Lailoken or @Execute/Dumbo or @SailorOfMyVessel could add another cookie or two.

That would give us a +45 or +55 to this check, instead of just a +35.

Each cookie adds +10 to the willpower check. We have a base of +25 (since this doesn't act against the Sealing or Lady Geet, unless we can spin 'Get to know humans' as a method for 'be able to approach Sealed!Jaffur without terrifying him'). We'd have a base 35 if we convinced ourselves that this would help with Unsealing Jaffur or getting revenge on Lady Geet.

In fact, I'm pretty sure she'd think that. It would be great to get some practice socializing with humans, so she can better talk to Human!Jaffur. Downright necessary, in fact! Yes, totally!
 
Oh Hades, my worst nightmare, people.

Spend cookies? I can't even bring myself to vote. I won a coupon for a free milkshake when I was five years old. I've probably still got it around here somewhere. I'm upset that the recent rules changes have demolished my opportunity to corner the cookie market.


The intervention mechanic seems a little arbitrary. It certainly makes sense to have surprises pop up, but why wouldn't she be able to at least chose which tasks to drop in favor of it?

@PoptartProdigy : would it be possible to take at third option where we don't even attempt to make time, but instead explicitly chose one of the actions to drop? It seems to split the difference. We could take a chance on getting everything by stretching thin, but if it doesn't work out it crashes out randomly. Alternatively, we could accept ahead of time that something needs to be sacrificed and choose what that something is by forgoing any attempt to stretch further and get everything.
 
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Execute/Dumbo said:
Hrm.
I'm feeling like I wanna write something badly.
OMAKE TIME!
Kakara had been avoiding Berra, that much was certain, he understood it, to some degree, she didn't know what had happened, and he could see where she took anger, but...
But something had been getting worse, she was more tired, less talkative, more... Angry, it was frightening, seeing someone so young growing up like that, he was scared for his daughter, as much as she seemed to shun him at every opportunity, she was still a child, and he knew that Kakara was a very driven girl, once she set her mind on something, she'd almost never give up on it, even to the point of insanity, he missed her oddball behavior and boundless energy, so, after much deliberation, he decided to meet with her, face-to-face.
The next day, he found her at the training arena, grimly firing blasts at the wall, she glanced over at her father on his entrance, of course she noticed him, she was always a prodigy at sensing energies, clearing his throat, he faced her, "Kakara."
"Dad."
"Kakara, I-I need to speak to you, can you please come down?"
The blasts of energy slow, and eventually stop altogether as she lowers herself down to the ground, facing her father dead on, nearly silent.
"Kakara, I can't say I'm sorry for what I did, but I can't let this keep going on, you're distancing yourself so much, and..."
Berra looked even older now, like his life was leaving him as he spoke.
"And I don't want to lose you like this."
Kakara just sighed, turning around and beginning to float upwards, "I don't expect you to apologise."
"Then what do you want, Kakara? You're so distant and tired and-and sad, why do you need to do this?"
Kakara whirls on her father, she doesn't even start yelling, just speaking in a deathly calm voice that very nearly unnerves Berra, "Why don't I need to do this? I can't let this go, I... I..."
She spins around again, shoulders shaking, "I need to get better, I'm just going to be doing this for a while longer."
"Kakara-"
"Please, just-"
She hisses in pain as a jolt of agony goes through her, she turns her head to see Berra, eyes widened, he hadn't meant to grab on to her tail, but in desperation, trying to keep her with him, he had clasped on to it.
But it wasn't just his accidental grab that had him staring, he saw her still standing, teeth clenched and hands tightly closed, certainly, but without falling, she had endured that pain.
"Kakara..."
"Please leave, dad."
She batted away his limp hand and floated back up, where she resumed blasting the far wall, Berra seemed to try and reach out to her, before his hand dropped to his side again, and walked away.
A bit small, but I found the mood strike me.
Also, Poptart, when you say 'a fraction of your normal power', how much power does Kakara have when in human form? A fraction of her power is still a bunch, after all.
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Small or no, I sure like it. *cookie get*

The particular fraction varies by person. Since Kakara is only Masqued when she has absolutely no choice, she has basically no affinity with her Masqued form, and can only get up to 20 million reliably. "Only."

Lailoken said:
Oh Hades, my worst nightmare, people.

Spend cookies? I can't even bring myself to vote. I won a coupon for a free milkshake when I was five years old. I've probably still got it around here somewhere. I'm upset that the recent rules changes have demolished my opportunity to corner the cookie market.


The intervention mechanic seems a little arbitrary. It certainly makes sense to have surprises pop up, but why wouldn't she be able to at least chose which tasks to drop in favor of it?

@PoptartProdigy : would it be possible to take at third option where we don't even attempt to make time, but instead explicitly chose one of the actions to drop? It seems to split the difference. We could take a chance on getting everything by stretching thin, but if it doesn't work out it crashes out randomly. Alternatively, we could accept ahead of time that something needs to be sacrificed and choose what that something is by forgoing any attempt to stretch further and get everything.
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I'll allow that write-in, yeah. Also, I've modified the cookie rules again. You're free to stockpile them, but I'm restricting them to only three used per roll.
 
[X] Yes. (Willpower check with a DC of 60 to successfully make time. If you fail, lose a random action. The actions covered above are mandatory or were rolled as occurring at a higher priority than this, and thus are safe. Cookies for this roll must be declared in advance, as a part of your vote. This will keep you from being such an obtrusive loner, but you'll have to make a very low-difficulty Deceit check to not drop a hint that makes somebody suspicious)
-[X] Drop Ozaru training

Ozaru training doesn't give us access to any allies, doesn't help us train better (as Gentle Soul might), doesn't gate anything/unlock other options (as Research Styles does and Seer/Sorcerer aptitude test might do)and can be taken next year without any problems (as opposed to meeting with Lady Vegeta). In addition, it isn't going to become useful in quite a while (as opposed to training Communications, which we're probably going to use all the time), given that turning into a giant monkey is pretty conspicious and could break the Masquerade, and since we've already successfully trained our tail, there's no chance of our combat skills atrophying. If we want to socialize with the humans, we can just drop it and do it next year (as long as we don't turn out to be a Sorcerer).
 
PoptartProdigy said:
Somebody could tear your tail clean off without bothering you overly much at this point. Also, you are slightly traumatized.

Ability Gained: Trained Tail.
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I want to hug just this part of the post.

PoptartProdigy said:
You jerk, surprised and already spinning to attack to interloper who snuck up on oh wait it's just a human.
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'to attack to interloper' I assume was meant to be 'the interloper'.


[X] Yes. (Willpower check with a DC of 60 to successfully make time. If you fail, lose a random action. The actions covered above are mandatory or were rolled as occurring at a higher priority than this, and thus are safe. Cookies for this roll must be declared in advance, as a part of your vote. This will keep you from being such an obtrusive loner, but you'll have to make a very low-difficulty Deceit check to not drop a hint that makes somebody suspicious)
 
PoptartProdigy said:
Since Kakara is only Masqued when she has absolutely no choice, she has basically no affinity with her Masqued form, and can only get up to 20 million reliably
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Only 20 million. That still puts her far and away as one of the strongest fighters in the galaxy at the time of Freeza's PTO. Like, I think only Freeza's 4th form would be able to stand up to that, especially if we're using Bringer of Death PL calcs. Like, End of Z Krillin and Tenshinhan could probably beat her, but I don't think any of the rest of the humans could.
 
Aranfan said:
Only 20 million. That still puts her far and away as one of the strongest fighters in the galaxy at the time of Freeza's PTO. Like, I think only Freeza's 4th form would be able to stand up to that, especially if we're using Bringer of Death PL calcs. Like, End of Z Krillin and Tenshinhan could probably beat her, but I don't think any of the rest of the humans could.
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Yep! Heck, BOD and most other sources generally agree on Freeza's power levels, so she'd be a better challenge for 4th form Freeza than the Goku of the time, discounting the Kaio-Ken. Mind you, it's still about a tenth of her real strength. To her, she feels frail.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
Yep! Heck, BOD and most other sources generally agree on Freeza's power levels, so she'd be a better challenge for 4th form Freeza than the Goku of the time, discounting the Kaio-Ken. Mind you, it's still about a tenth of her real strength. To her, she feels frail.
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Y'know, perspective really is an interesting thing, isn't it?
We're still absurdly more powerful than basically any non-super sayian in the world.
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Next year, could we have an option to train our Masque so we can use our full power in it? Or is that a pipe dream?
 
Execute/Dumbo said:
Y'know, perspective really is an interesting thing, isn't it?
We're still absurdly more powerful than basically any non-super sayian in the world.
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Next year, could we have an option to train our Masque so we can use our full power in it? Or is that a pipe dream?
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His framing would suggest we should be able to train it for a higher percent, if not full per se.

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PoptartProdigy said:
Since Kakara is only Masqued when she has absolutely no choice, she has basically no affinity with her Masqued form, and can only get up to 20 million reliably. "Only."
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This, specifically, I mean. Bolded for emphasis. But it's the whole sentence that matters.
 
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Terrabrand said:
His framing would suggest we should be able to train it for a higher percent, if not full per se.
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Now, boys, whoever said I was a man? ;) As for training, you can definitely train it higher. To full? You have no idea. Nobody's ever managed it before, but they've never really cared to try.

Execute/Dumbo said:
Hey, @PoptartProdigy, a few questions about the Masque, how long does it take to put on/take off, what does putting it on involve (Magic or just hiding our tail?) and what else is limited by it?
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It's magic, but not your magic. At birth, a Sorcerer swings by to put the enchantment on, and then you basically spend the first couple years of your life fully, involuntarily Masqued. Speculation is that Lady Vegeta used a modified version of the early kind of Masque to Seal Jaffur. Once children are responsible enough, in their parents' estimation, to keep the Masque on, they get full control over it. In general, switching out of your Masque is faster than the other way around, but only because most Saiyans, like Kakara, have a near-zero affinity for it. If you're comfortable as a human you'll switch to human faster and vice-versa, and the two aren't mutually exclusive. At the moment you can go Saiyan as quickly as you can go Super Saiyan, and going Human takes you about thirty seconds. As far as you know, nobody's ever hit full power while Masqued, but nobody's ever really bothered, either.

KaintukeeBob said:
And does it change appearance if we put it on while transformed into a SSJ?
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You don't know, because doing so is supposed to be impossible. You've tried switching while transformed; it doesn't work. Maybe it was different for Jaffur, since he was Sealed in, but for you switching has detransforming as step one. You physically cannot put on the Masque while a Super Saiyan. That said, you don't imagine it would change you very much; you're already a blue-eyed blonde. Maybe your hair would get messier?
 
Bommelom said:
Ozaru training doesn't give us access to any allies, doesn't help us train better (as Gentle Soul might), doesn't gate anything/unlock other options (as Research Styles does and Seer/Sorcerer aptitude test might do)and can be taken next year without any problems (as opposed to meeting with Lady Vegeta). In addition, it isn't going to become useful in quite a while (as opposed to training Communications, which we're probably going to use all the time), given that turning into a giant monkey is pretty conspicious and could break the Masquerade, and since we've already successfully trained our tail, there's no chance of our combat skills atrophying. If we want to socialize with the humans, we can just drop it and do it next year (as long as we don't turn out to be a Sorcerer).
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I'd actually contest this. There are a lot of assumptions here. We don't know if socializing will start taking up more time as it is wont to do. We also don't know if Ozaru training gates into anything or if it helps training in general. Consider how young Kakara is, and that nearly all the DBZ saiyans gave up their tail early. Out of all of them, only Vegeta had any familiarity with it, and he didn't have Super Saiyan, so we don't know how they interact here.

Although I'm confused why you think training our tail means combat skills won't atrophy. That seems pretty random.

I'm still voting yes, though. Mostly because of already established characterization.

[X] Yes. (Willpower check with a DC of 60 to successfully make time. If you fail, lose a random action. The actions covered above are mandatory or were rolled as occurring at a higher priority than this, and thus are safe. Cookies for this roll must be declared in advance, as a part of your vote. This will keep you from being such an obtrusive loner, but you'll have to make a very low-difficulty Deceit check to not drop a hint that makes somebody suspicious)
 
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Wait since we're a blue eyed blonde, is getting spikier hair the only thing that differentiates normal Kakara and Super Saiyan Kakara? Other than the power boost of course.
 
Kairos123 said:
I'd actually contest this. There are a lot of assumptions here. We don't know if socializing will start taking up more time as it is wont to do. We also don't know if Ozaru training gates into anything or if it helps training in general. Consider how young Kakara is, and that nearly all the DBZ saiyans gave up their tail early. Out of all of them, only Vegeta had any familiarity with it, and he didn't have Super Saiyan, so we don't know how they interact here.
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There's no reason for why Oozaru training should help with other training in general, and I don't think doing Oozaru training is going to do anything but unlock more Oozaru training for a long time.
PoptartProdigy said:
Many try. Few persevere. There are perhaps two hundred Saiyans capable of controlling the form. It's not that only a few can -- in theory, anybody can. But the training is...grueling. Also, given the power level system in play in this quest, Oozaru works slightly differently from the tenfold multiplier that is commonly interpreted by fans. Namely, it's less impressive, but can be developed.
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Besides, is there any other action you'd rather lose?
Kairos123 said:
Although I'm confused why you think training our tail means combat skills won't atrophy. That seems pretty random.
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Oh, that's because of the system. If we don't succeed on any training thing checks inside "A Warrior's Path", there's a chance of our skills atrophying. Both tail training and Oozaru training are part of the "A Warrior's Path" thing, and since we've succeeded on tail training, there's no chance of our combat skills atrophying.
 
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