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It doesn't have to be. An insult is an insult, and one given in such a politically unstable time will catch flak.
I don't think anyone but Berra or Lady Vegeta even knows that Dandeer wants to meet us. An insult that no one even knows about won't change anyone's opinions.
We don't have to conceal it, just go there. Since getting through the meeting without exploding that trait would help rather than harm. Point about Hot-Blooded, but again, we just need to sit through it. She might not be satisfied, but she will have said her piece. It was also possible that we got really lucky and she misconstrued our outrage at how it was done, or that it hurt him.
If she miscronstrued our outrage, then meeting her could could disabuse her of that notion.
I'm not saying that refusing to take it made the situation unrecoverable, but it certainly made things worse. It is a lost opportunity we'll have to work around now.
How so? I mean, we're eventually going to publicly oppose her anyways, and then we're definitely going to make her an enemy. Besides, I don't think she can publicly speak out against us or try to harass us in any way, as that'd damage her alliance with Berra.
 
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Hey! My plan has meeting Lady Brainwash... it's just that nobody voted for it.

That would be my point, yes. ;)

Also, @PoptartProdigy, is it possible to devote additional actions to mastering the Super Saiyan?

Edit: Also, how old is Kakara?

It's not possible to devote more, but given that even Gohan fully mastered it in a year it's unlikely you'll need to anyway.

She's a summer child, so she's still eight years old, but at the end of this year will be nine.
 
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How powerful is a mastered Super Saiyan (with max base power) anyways? Super Saiyan Goku vs Cell, Super Saiyan Gohan vs Cell, or?

375 million+750 million=1,125,000,000, or 1.125 Billion. I also hold to the theory that, since he momentarily broke through to Super Saiyan 2 while training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, Gohan was actually marginally stronger than Goku at the time of the Cell Games, and also not suffering diminishing returns nearly as badly as his father was as a result, since he'd broken the 375 million cap on base strength by transforming, however briefly -- which is why Goku tapped him in to face Cell.
 
It's not possible to devote more, but given that even Gohan fully mastered it in a year it's unlikely you'll need to anyway.
Wait is Gohan supposed to be terrible at mastering new forms and techniques? I thought he's pretty much a prodigy at literally everything, held down by his 100% civilian lifestyle and the fact that hybrid saiyans' battle/training instinct isn't as strong as a pure blooded saiyan. So shouldn't we pretty much take his success at mastering it in a year as something ordinary? I pretty much consider half saiyans mastering Super Saiyan forms in 1 year or less when trained by someone competent (Goku, Vegeta,Piccolo, Whis, etc) as something natural.
 
Crap, @PoptartProdigy , what did I miscount? I was sure I did a count out to 12 instead of 13...I'll go back and check it.

EDIT: Ah, crap. I miscounted Hand-to-Hand's cost.
 
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Wait is Gohan supposed to be terrible at mastering new forms and techniques? I thought he's pretty much a prodigy at literally everything, held down by his 100% civilian lifestyle and the fact that hybrid saiyans' battle/training instinct isn't as strong as a pure blooded saiyan. So shouldn't we pretty much take his success at mastering it in a year as something ordinary? I pretty much consider half saiyans mastering Super Saiyan forms in 1 year or less when trained by someone competent (Goku, Vegeta,Piccolo, Whis, etc) as something natural.

I was more using him as a contrast to his "genius at all things fighting" father. "Goku did it in a year. Once they knew the secret, Vegeta and Trunks did it in a year. Heck Gohan did it in a year, and he's such a slacker that he actually got weaker in between Cell and Buu despite becoming a grown-ass man in that time frame!" Gohan is a prodigy, but terminally lazy when it comes to training.

You're right, mastering the forms in like a year is perfectly natural.
 
I would suggest cutting the hand to hand training since we're already exceptional in that and it takes 2 actions. We can put the other action to meeting with Lady Vegeta or Setting the Record Straight.
We're only Exceptional at 1-on-1 fighting, actually, we're just Talented at ganging up on people and fighting multiple people at once.

..Of course, this is DBZ, so ganging up on people is never going to work anyways.
 
Well, I don't care if she realizes we strongly dislike her (not like we could have that from her), as long as neither her or our dad realizes we're actually planning to unseal Jaffur.

@KnightDisciple, I don't suppose I could persuade you to replace contacting our grandmother with contacting Yammar at this point? It's not that I think he's a better ally (preferably I'd contact both Yammar, our grandmother and the Senzus eventually), but I think he'd be more suspicious of us the later we try to to convince him of our actual role in Jaffur's Sealing. Meanwhile our grandmother's our grandmother (and the Senzus know what side we're on), so I doubt she'll react differently if we go to her a year later instead of right now.
No, I chose Apra very deliberately. I want to contact her first because I believe her being more inclined to trust and support us will help us then know and understand our position.

That said, I need to cut an action, and I'm more comfortable cutting hand to hand, so....hm.

@Aranfan , I'm not comfortable going to Lady Vegeta or Set The Record Straight right away. I'd really like to figure out some mental defenses first, to be honest.

Would you, and anyone else who voted my plan, be okay with me ditching Hand to Hand (to get below 12 Actions), and then using the 1 free action to instead meet with Yammar Vegeta?
My reasoning of "building up our base" still applies.

My only other idea is to swap HTH for Ki training (probably Ki Control rather than Ki Manipulation, because I'm a sucker for EFFICIENCY).
 
@Aranfan , I'm not comfortable going to Lady Vegeta or Set The Record Straight right away. I'd really like to figure out some mental defenses first, to be honest.
Lady Vegeta's asking to meet us this year, so if say no, I don't think she'll make the same offer next year. I also wouldn't worry about mental defenses. She could only get Jaffur with her Sealing spell while Berra was holding him down, and we should have enough willpower (we have 35 willpower against her) to resist any kind of spell she tries to cast on us long enought to beat her and any guards she might have into a pulp.

Not that I think she'd even try to cast anything on us. We're not a (political) threat to her, and it's not worth potentially getting Berra as an enemy.
 
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Also, @PoptartProdigy, how exactly are the aptitude tests done, and who can do them? And is there a record of everyone's aptitudes? Kinda wondering if it'd be possible and/or useful to take an "underground" aptitude test so Berra and/or Lady Vegeta wouldn't know the results.
 
Also, @PoptartProdigy, how exactly are the aptitude tests done, and who can do them? And is there a record of everyone's aptitudes? Kinda wondering if it'd be possible and/or useful to take an "underground" aptitude test so Berra and/or Lady Vegeta wouldn't know the results.

Aptitude tests are done by whatever Seer and Sorcerer you can grab off-hand. No real, official system. And you can get one secretly...if you can convince the particular individual who tests you to sit on it.
 
Here is my revised Plan. Rather than repost, I've edited the plan, if that's okay, @PoptartProdigy .

My changes:
-Dropped Hand to Hand because it's 2 actions! And we're pretty good at it already.
-I decided to listen to a couple folks and add the "Meet with Lady Vegeta" action.

If the various people who voted for me object to that item overall, please let me know and I'm open to changing it (assuming we don't get locked in beforehand).
 
Here is my revised Plan. Rather than repost, I've edited the plan, if that's okay, @PoptartProdigy .

My changes:
-Dropped Hand to Hand because it's 2 actions! And we're pretty good at it already.
-I decided to listen to a couple folks and add the "Meet with Lady Vegeta" action.

If the various people who voted for me object to that item overall, please let me know and I'm open to changing it (assuming we don't get locked in beforehand).

Looks good! I'll make sure to leave enough time to let people see it.

Seer aptitude tests are done by Seers and Sorcerer aptitude test are done by Sorcerers, right?

Yeah.
 
Wait is Gohan supposed to be terrible at mastering new forms and techniques? I thought he's pretty much a prodigy at literally everything, held down by his 100% civilian lifestyle and the fact that hybrid saiyans' battle/training instinct isn't as strong as a pure blooded saiyan. So shouldn't we pretty much take his success at mastering it in a year as something ordinary? I pretty much consider half saiyans mastering Super Saiyan forms in 1 year or less when trained by someone competent (Goku, Vegeta,Piccolo, Whis, etc) as something natural.

From what I recall, while Gohan had a lot of potential regarding power level and he was a really Smart kid, he was also terrible at fighting. Part of it was surely that he didn't like doing it but one would think that after so much time doing so he would get used to it. Though I am basing this on what I saw of him in comparison to other fighters instead of anything said in the manga so I could be wrong but, while every single fighters in the series had moments in which they strategize when fighting or pull amasing techniques, I can only think of two moments in which it might apply to Gohan and that is dubbious: When doing mental training with Krillin (which amounted to jump to Dodge and throw a makakensappo, which isn't really that much of a strategy) and those two times when he hid the dragonball from Vegeta on Namek and when thy tried to make a wish while Vegeta was sleeping, both of which are not really fighting. The time in which he showed the most skill at sstraight up fighting was probably when he tag teamed with Krilin against Guldo. Actually, scratch that. Best momento of strategic thinking while on battle that Gohan had was hitting the spirit bomb towards Vegeta when Krilin missed the saiyan with it when they first fought on earth.

Sad thing is, that Gohan has a very instictive grasp of Ki manipulation to the point he could both fly and throw ki blasts, at four and without training so he does has potential. He just seems to lack any kind of fighting instinct except when he gets angry, which is when he goes all attack. But he doesn't really think when he does that and can't really keep that pace and this is only counting the manga. In the anime they somehow make him worse by making half of the fights in which he has an advantage (against Cell when he first ascends and against Super Buu when he unlocks his mystic form) be composed of Gohan power walking and not even trying to kill the opponent! I mean, it worked against Cell since he made him spit 18, but I don't think he even hit Buu 10 times before the fight was turned around...

Gohan might be a Prodigy and one of the most powerful fighters of dragon ball but he is also one of the worst fighters of dragon ball. Which is fine since he doesn't like fighting and that is what makes him Gohan and creates a theme of building a better world for the next generation. He might have been saving the earth since he was 4, he might have traved to space and seen magic in action and he might have killed Cell. But his greatest accomplishment is probably being the first Z fighter to ever finish Highschool, since Yamcha dropped out on his final year to train with Roshi


Anyways, rant aside, can we still post plans? Because given that we are 8, I think it is better to build our power base before we start stepping into people's toes.

[x]Attend School (Mandatory): Time-consuming, tiring, and the part that you're most likely to be discovered doing. Unfortunately, you really have no choice. Current grades: trending A-. Effect: Attend school.
-[x] Maintain Grades (2 actions): You're good where you are. Let's just get the effort in to stick it out and then focus on other things. Effect: Maintain grades.

2/12 actions. If we slip in our grades, people will wonder why.

[x] Training (Mandatory, 2 actions): You have a responsibility to master the transformation you unlocked last summer. Dad's going to require you to train hard until you manage that. It might take a while, though.
-[x] Train Base Strength (Mandatory, counts as 1 of Training's 2 actions): You can hardly conceive of being at 375 million units. But if Dad has his way, you'll get there soon. Effect: Raise your base form's strength by conventional training.
-[x] Train Super Saiyan Strength (Mandatory, counts as 1 of Training's 2 actions): If 375 is a big number, try 750. By undergoing the specialist training required to become a Full-Power Super Saiyan, you just might hit it. Effect: Through rigorous meditation and endurance training, increase your Super Saiyan strength.

Mandatory and as long as dad is the strongest guy around, what he says, goes. If we want agency, we need to get on his league regarding power level. 4/12 Actions so far

[x] A Warrior's Path: being a warrior is about more than brute strength. Master the art of combat to gain your people's respect. Your mindset will hold you back, though.
-[x] Command Training (1 action): You will be expected to lead your Clan if war comes. You may as well be good at it. Effect: Learn the art of battlefield command. Gain "Leadership" skill and set your starting skill level. Your mindset won't impact you as badly here.
-[x] Train Your Tail (1 action): It frickin' hurts when somebody grabs that thing. Even Dad was helpless when Jaffur did it. You don't like that. Effect: Train to overcome and work past the sensitivity of your tail, removing a crippling weakness.
-[x] Train Oozaru (1 action): The Giant Ape form is rife with drawbacks, from a complete loss of sanity to a massive growth in size that makes you a huge, slow target. To boot, it doesn't even boost you as much as Super Saiyan at its meanest does. Still, you can't shake the feeling that there's potential there... Effect: once monthly, during the full moon, torture yourself with attempts to bring the Giant Ape form under your full control and to become comfortable in it. You feel like you'd do better with this than most other things in this category.

Command since we want to be a leader. Tail is a weakness we must get rid of. Ozaru I have already explained why it is important to master it in a previous post and if we do so, it better be while our PL is at a relatively weak 15millon.
7/12

[x] The Mysteries: You have always wondered about the strange abilities your people sometimes possess. Nobody expects either of a Scion, and after this summer you feel uncomfortable with sorcery in particular, but you could choose to study here...
-[x] Test for Seer/Magic Abilities (1 action): Do you even have these? Effect: Discover latent Seer or Sorcery abilities. You don't feel quite comfortable with magic after this summer, but you'd still like to know

To start working in the sealing. 8/12

[x] The Pulse of Life: You are a part of this society, and it's the people who make it tick.
-[x] Family First (1 action): Some things were said and done last summer between you and your Dad. He's not a superhero to you, not anymore, but he's still your father. You'd like to patch things up. Effect: Repair relationship with Dad.
-[x] A Meeting (1 action): Dad tells you that Lady Vegeta would like to speak with you in person about what happened last summer. Effect: Meet with Lady Vegeta and find out what she has to say.

The QM already warned us of the dangers of ignoring Lady Vegeta and do we want to be at odds with Dad? This will lower suspiscions. 10/12

[x] Personal: Sometimes, you just want to do things on your own time.
-[x] Contact House Senzu (1 action): House Senzu has withdrawn from society at large, but when last you met, you were allies. Perhaps if you find them...somehow...you can be again. Effect: Search for House Senzu.
-[x] Investigate Clan Goku (1 action): It would be rather easier to sound out your own Clan. Nobody would question that. Effect: At no risk, poll your Clan to find out the specifics of any tensions regarding Jaffur's Sealing.

First of all, the Senzu monopoly of the beans is troublesome. We need to figure out if they are planning to act because of the sealing, if we can ease tensions so that it doesn't devolve into civil war, if they can sound out clan vegeta for us, if they would support us in seeing how to get the sealing undone and if we can regain Access to the beans. They know we are opposed to what happened so we are in an unique position to work with them.
I am not sounding the older supers yet because I want to see if the normal saiyans would support action. Ideally, we could get support from the older veget to remove dandeer and great grandma can either help convince dad or remain neutral. But with tensions as high as they are, we need to sound the situation before making a move to change the status quo.
 
..Maybe we should wait to to test our Sorcery/Seer aptitude until we contact Apra/Yammar/the Senzus so we could get her/him/them to find someone who wouldn't spill the results (if positive) to our Dad or Lady Vegeta?
 
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