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Dragon Ball: After the End

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looking back at the sheet

I have to wonder why you all thought it was a good idea
PoptartProdigy said:
Pacifist [Foundational Trait]: After hard experiences and a great deal of thought, you have refined your earlier opinions on fighting and violence. Where once you avoided them out of simple distaste, you now do so out of moral obligation. They aren't unpleasant, they're wrong. You still need to learn how to live this way in a society filled with hot-blooded fighters, but you have your beliefs. You gain combat traits, abilities, and skills more slowly, and may encounter barriers to improvement that cannot be surpassed without exceptional pressure. You experience moderate vote weighting at all times against courses of action that result in violence. You gain a small bonus to any check that de-escalates a situation or peacefully resolves it. This may be developed further...
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to go against a Foundation Trait in your planning
 
Bakkasama said:
So making plans in which each action can stand separate instead of depending on the results of the previous ones?
I don't feel comfortable with that idea. He is our ally and father. That kind of thing should be done by proxies and deniable assets as it would lower our credibility otherwise.

Poor Jaron.:cry:

Bad enough it is that his father is never home, now his mom abandoned to go on vacation with his sister.
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Yeah, IC you're not sure why he's still around. He says his family is due back in like a week, but he doesn't say why he's home and they're not.

Deathbybunnies said:
Please, please don't start metagaming the planning process - if one side does, it every side has to do it and we all end up with more effort, more divisions and worse plans.
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It also incentivizes me to start punishing metagaming more stringently than I presently do (which is none). So, y'know, there's that.
 
The Fourth Monado said:
You know

looking back at the sheet

I have to wonder why you all thought it was a good idea

to go against a Foundation Trait in your planning
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Because we judged that doing so was simply a bad plan that would've endangered those we care about. I didn't want to power up to the point that the intimidation would work with Maya and the scouts there. In retrospect, we needed a better combat plan that was simpler, more resistant to failure, and carried more contingencies.
 
The Fourth Monado said:
You know

looking back at the sheet

I have to wonder why you all thought it was a good idea

to go against a Foundation Trait in your planning
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Because the situation couldn't have been more engineered against a diplomatic solution if Poptart tried. We had a time limit of literally 60 effective seconds, an effective power level limit, and were up against an enemy who we didn't have anything to offer, had no reason to do us any favours, and owed loyalty to a group that wanted to invade us. And at the same time, we're under an information blackout in that we need to give as little information as possible, and we also lacked a great deal of information about the current situation.

I don't know what else you could add to hamstring diplomacy. Maybe we could have been banned from using words containing the letter E?

EDIT: Also, you were one of the people who voted for this plan!
 
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I still say that Pacifist should have given us a bonus to punching this particular alien in the face, given that we were trying to punch him in the face for peace.

What do you mean, "KaintukeeBob doesn't understand pacifism?" Graveyards tend to be very peaceful.

Deathbybunnies said:
I don't know what else you could add to hamstring diplomacy. Maybe we could have been banned from using words containing the letter E?
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Also, just to point out: we have no reason to expect that this alien will be able to communicate in a way we understand. Sure, we anticipate it will understand us (given that we could understand the apparent commander in our vision) but diplomacy is difficult when we can't be sure that we can even understand the other side's words.
 
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PoptartProdigy said:
*clicks stopwatch* Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand fifteen pages. I was wondering how long it'd take. :lol
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...Really? It was so obvious that I didn't think we even needed to discuss it, but even more importantly, you've asked us to not talk about Kakara's sexual orientation until some time into the future. So it's something there's not a lot to talk about, unless we stray into forbidden discussion territory.
The Fourth Monado said:
You know

looking back at the sheet

I have to wonder why you all thought it was a good idea

to go against a Foundation Trait in your planning
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I have no idea why either. But people have their own idea what Pacifist means and how they want to develop it, and shouted me down, so...
Deathbybunnies said:
Because the situation couldn't have been more engineered against a diplomatic solution if Poptart tried. We had a time limit of literally 60 effective seconds, an effective power level limit, and were up against an enemy who we didn't have anything to offer, had no reason to do us any favours, and owed loyalty to a group that wanted to invade us. And at the same time, we're under an information blackout in that we need to give as little information as possible, and we also lacked a great deal of information about the current situation.

I don't know what else you could add to hamstring diplomacy. Maybe we could have been banned from using words containing the letter E?

EDIT: Also, you were one of the people who voted for this plan!
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90 seconds, as I've already told you! And we didn't have a PL limit, not really. Perhaps I should have gone 300,000 instead, but I wanted a safety net.

And we were against an enemy we certainly did have something to offer: not being at risk of dying.

And the information blackout is mostly in your head. We've already been discovered.

No, wait, better way to put all this: Lets go of your preconceived notions~ Wish there was a song about that I could put here. :/
 
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Gore17 said:
...Really? It was so obvious that I didn't think we even needed to discuss it, but even more importantly, you've asked us to not talk about Kakara's sexual orientation until some time into the future. So it's something there's not a lot to talk about, unless we stray into forbidden discussion territory.

I have no idea why either. But people have their own idea what Pacifist means and how they want to develop it, and shouted me down, so...

90 seconds, as I've already told you! And we didn't have a PL limit, not really. Perhaps I should have gone 300,000 instead, but I wanted a safety net.

And we were against an enemy we certainly did have something to offer: not being at risk of dying.

And the information blackout is mostly in your head. We've already been discovered.

No, wait, better way to put all this: Lets go of your preconceived notions~ Wish there was a song about that I could put here. :/
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Sorry, you're right, 90 seconds. I just have 60 stuck in my head - and I'll note that it's still a huge constraint.

The information they have at the moment is "some warriors with a PL of ~80,000." Any negotiations would have involved talking about our forces, would have been done whilst broadcasting everything said to the other Scouts (and possibly the ship) and would have been pretty much what we made up on the spot. Now we can take him to the Hall unconscious, stick him in a cell and decide ahead of time what we want to tell him, what we want from him, and what the best way to go about doing that is, with everyone who should be involved with such a decision present.
 
Aranfan said:
Didn't I already say I would spend the third cookie?
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Ah, you're right! You didn't donate two cookies.

Aranfan said:
Screw it. I'll go down to one cookie.
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You donated one. I presume you're instead doing three?

Gore17 said:
...Really? It was so obvious that I didn't think we even needed to discuss it, but even more importantly, you've asked us to not talk about Kakara's sexual orientation until some time into the future. So it's something there's not a lot to talk about, unless we stray into forbidden discussion territory.
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Don't have to discuss sexual orientation to talk about schoolyard crushes. Especially those not held by the PC. More to the point, there's more in that section to be focusing on than just Maya...
 
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