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Dragon Ball: After the End

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Deathbybunnies said:
It's anchoring ourselves to this lovely dream where we have friends and they like us and no one expects us to beat people up and there's no genocidal alien monsters hellbent on exterminating our entire race! :lol

...You know, this is a pretty dark setting.
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Deathbybunnies said:
It's anchoring ourselves to this lovely dream where we have friends and they like us and no one expects us to beat people up and there's no genocidal alien monsters hellbent on exterminating our entire race! :lol

...You know, this is a pretty dark setting.
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Isn't it wonderful? :evil:

Bakkasama said:
To be fair to Super, that has to do with the médium rather than with the plot.

The thing with super is that while the story is inspired by Toriyama, he is not the one who oversees its execution. You might have noticed but the time progression in the series is rather fast paced with several months going by from chapter to chapter. If they made the character designs of the children change according to the time progression a normal growth would have then the designs would change from chapter to chapter and some of the viewers would be left confused. This is specially true in the case of Pan and Maron but it also explains the issues with Mai. Her physichal age should be similar to that of Trunks since otherwise a 14 years old Trunks would be attracted to an 8 years old like body but if they made her, Goten, Trunks, Maron and Pan grow up at a normal rate that would make it harder to make the anime since they would have to keep coming up with slight variations of them



Personally, I have found that Reading Toriyama's other Works enrich the dragon ball experience.
For example, in the Jako manga it is when we learn that time travel is forbidden by Galaxy law under pain of planet level genocide. We also learn that earth has flying car because Dr. Brief studied Jako's spaceship and learned about gravity control technology which he presumably latr altered to make gravity chambers. We also see Bulma's sister, we have proof of Bulma's genius from a very Young age with her making a ray gun and there are interesting things like a scientist making a machine that more or less does the same as Hit's time leap.

Dr. Slump is similarly enlightening. With the amount of bullshit they get through you can pretty much explain any inconsistency in Dragon Ball as "it is somehow Arale's fault". For example, Norimaki made a time machine that, unlike Trunks', seems to affect the same timeline since Arale using it is the reason there are still dinosaurs on Earth but that doesn't break the setting since they also have working spaceships so it is not too out there that they learned of the Galaxy laws later referenced on Jako.

Another example is the Neko Majin Series. Obviously not counting the Neko Majin Z since that is a dragon ball parody but you can still use the explanations regarding Neko Majin and apply them to Korin since he is a clear picture of the species. Likewise, it is not too out there that Mr. Rabbit is an Usagi Majin, also present in the series.
I mean, you have to cherry pick among them but I made some research from a time I wanted to write a Dragon Ball fanfic and they serve rather well to expand the universe.
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I may take a later look -- they certainly seem interesting -- but no promises. I'm already sifting through a lot, and I have other projects.
 
Quest said:
Do we have to do research to increase our mask affinity, or can we just do it by being in it? Because training the Saiyin Masque will be remarkably easy, since all we have to do it train in it.
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I think we take a 10% penalty to training whilst in the Masque, at least until we level it up a little. So we should maybe research it next year, and then in subsequent years train in it?

EDIT: My bad, misread the skill description, it was talking about power levels. +1 for training in it whenever we can, I would have totally done that this year if I'd known we had it.
 
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PoptartProdigy said:
Trunks makes my head hurt. Future Trunks has a sane growth progression, but Kid Trunks does not. He barely changes from the Buu Saga to the start of Super! Maybe I can throw something together about how saiyans and hybrids alike hit their growth spurt as an evolutionary response to a physically threatening living environment, and otherwise at the end of the teenage years? Goku hits his after he encounters the wider world and especially after King Piccolo, Trunks sprouts like a beanpole at age thirteen --
something not remotely echoed by his present-day version in Super, who in the latest chapters is past fourteen and still looks no different than the Buu Saga
-- and according to the manga, which supercedes the anime on canonicity, Gohan at the time of the Cell Games was nine.
Meanwhile, present-day Trunks and Goten have experienced: Buu, and for less than two days before Goku killed him for them. And present-day Trunks and Goten are the ones who experience Goku-like rates of growth.
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That would explain why the Saiyans sent their children off to conquer worlds as infants - it would cause them to grow as quickly as possible.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
Much the same as any other medium. Characters and concepts from one can show up in the other. Given the nature of the RP in question, the characters crossing over are not necessarily the same characters in a literal sense, but down that rabbit hole lies madness. Honestly, at this point the crossover elements are mostly a shout-out to the RP; a bonus for the players thereof that most of the people here won't know to notice. If it ever deepens -- which, given the nature of the RP compared to the nature of this Quest, would be a difficult and delicate project -- it'll be quite some time in the future, and the beneficiary of some careful thought by @The Fourth Monado and I.
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As the player of Cynthia, her actions that effect the quest will be limited to the following: asking for licence to achieve and use SSJ and it's higher forms, giving her family a book on capsule manufacture, and showing up to fight The Enemy if and when it happens. Mostly she'll be busy in the City of Clocks.
 
Aranfan said:
As the player of Cynthia, her actions that effect the quest will be limited to the following: asking for licence to achieve and use SSJ and it's higher forms, giving her family a book on capsule manufacture, and showing up to fight The Enemy if and when it happens. Mostly she'll be busy in the City of Clocks.
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The SSJ and fighting The Enemy parts are more than I expected, to be honest.
 
[X] Friends
Almost certainly not the optimal choice. However, I want us to have fun with this the first time.

@PoptartProdigy How does astral projection mix with ki abilities? Can we use the Kamehameha/Solar Flare/other energy blasts while projecting? Can our multiform technique be used simultaneously, or do we have to be in a single body? Can we still use Instant Transmission? Is there any strange effect if we try to project while Super Saiyan?
 
fictionfan said:
We need to take that better living through ki action. There is nothing a bathroom can do for us that we shouldn't be able to do better with Ki.
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...I can see using Ki to, say, burn off dirt and whatnot if we're out "roughing it" and don't have the opportunity for an actual shower, but otherwise, unless we're using Ki to conjure up soap, water, cosmetics, a mirror, etc., no, it can't just replace a bathroom, and even if it could, that doesn't mean anyone would want to.
I mean, you can just go build an outhouse outside your home and use that instead of an actual toilet, and it'll totally save water bills! But will you?

Deathbybunnies said:
An intrinsic value from Kakara's perspective might be losing the Pacifist penalties to training combat skills while in the Saiyan Masque? Assuming it intensifies the natural Saiyan instinct to get into fights and become stronger? It would be pretty useless for any non-Pacifist Saiyans though.

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[X] Secrets
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Why would a Pacifist want to not think and feel and believe like a Pacifist? The whole Pacifist thing is about an inherent mentality, not, like a physical block, and so in my mind it would seem counter-intuitive to say "well I want to think less peacefully so I can even better train to kill people, I'm going to turn into a full-blooded Saiyan!". It seems like a strong case for cognitive dissonance, which wouldn't really be helpful (except I guess for the voters who want to completely strip away Pacifism from Kakara?).

[X] Opportunities
 
[X] Enemies
-[X] Like that one guy with the 100,000 power level. I've tasted his ki before, maybe it'll be easier to find now.
 
KnightDisciple said:
...I can see using Ki to, say, burn off dirt and whatnot if we're out "roughing it" and don't have the opportunity for an actual shower, but otherwise, unless we're using Ki to conjure up soap, water, cosmetics, a mirror, etc., no, it can't just replace a bathroom, and even if it could, that doesn't mean anyone would want to.
I mean, you can just go build an outhouse outside your home and use that instead of an actual toilet, and it'll totally save water bills! But will you?

Why would a Pacifist want to not think and feel and believe like a Pacifist? The whole Pacifist thing is about an inherent mentality, not, like a physical block, and so in my mind it would seem counter-intuitive to say "well I want to think less peacefully so I can even better train to kill people, I'm going to turn into a full-blooded Saiyan!". It seems like a strong case for cognitive dissonance, which wouldn't really be helpful (except I guess for the voters who want to completely strip away Pacifism from Kakara?).

[X] Opportunities
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I disagree. Disliking training enough that it affects our performance is clearly a flaw. If those feelings were strong enough that using a Masque to suppress them for the duration of training was a bad thing, they'd be strong enough we'd be outright refusing to train already. Kakara has already decided/committed to doing the training - thus, the moral decision it would be affecting has already been made. This is pretty much the equivalent of wearing a noseplug as a sanitation worker.

Aranfan said:
Grandama, dad, and us at the same time. She's asking for forgiveness, not permission.
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That still seems like a pretty major impact, not the minor shout-outs @PoptartProdigy was talking about. Is this the AU version of us you're asking?
 
KnightDisciple said:
Why would a Pacifist want to not think and feel and believe like a Pacifist?
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As a pacifist, we're reluctant to learn pure combat skills but intellectually we are aware that we'll need them and it's better to have and not use rather than the opposite.

I believe that the idea here is to reduce that reluctance to allow us to train those skills quickly rather than slogging through pure stubbornness.
 
KnightDisciple said:
...I can see using Ki to, say, burn off dirt and whatnot if we're out "roughing it" and don't have the opportunity for an actual shower, but otherwise, unless we're using Ki to conjure up soap, water, cosmetics, a mirror, etc., no, it can't just replace a bathroom, and even if it could, that doesn't mean anyone would want to.
I mean, you can just go build an outhouse outside your home and use that instead of an actual toilet, and it'll totally save water bills! But will you?
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I see no reason burning off all dirt and grime would be "roughing it" and if you can do that you don't need soap or water. Will admit that cosmetic are something tricky to do with ki, but I did not think Kakara really does that.

The outhouse companion is completely flawed so much so that I can't actually see any points of similarities with useing ki for it.
 
fictionfan said:
I see no reason burning off all dirt and grime would be "roughing it" and if you can do that you don't need soap or water. Will admit that cosmetic are something tricky to do with ki, but I did not think Kakara really does that.

The outhouse companion is completely flawed so much so that I can't actually see any points of similarities with useing ki for it.
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Burning off grime keeps you clean in a utilitarian sense but is not the same relaxing and invigorating experience an actual shower is.

I mean, in our diets day-to-day, we don't need a lot of things, but we still eat them because it's an enjoyable experience.

And Kakara's eleven years old. She probably doesn't use many cosmetics yet, but that may change. Probably will change at least a bit.

And the outhouse comparison's point is that an outhouse functions, and is even technically more water-efficient, but is not the preferred waste disposal method.
 
You know, being skilled in Multiform might be a benefit (give a boost to) Masque Research. You'd be able to intimately compare the differences between your regular form and your Masqued form, or variations on your Masqued form. With Telepathy, you could even examine differences in thinking. I suggest we mention both as subvotes if we ever do Research our Masque.
KnightDisciple said:
Burning off grime keeps you clean in a utilitarian sense but is not the same relaxing and invigorating experience an actual shower is.

I mean, in our diets day-to-day, we don't need a lot of things, but we still eat them because it's an enjoyable experience.

And Kakara's eleven years old. She probably doesn't use many cosmetics yet, but that may change. Probably will change at least a bit.

And the outhouse comparison's point is that an outhouse functions, and is even technically more water-efficient, but is not the preferred waste disposal method.
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I feel like you're overestimating how great showers are. If I could clean myself by flexing a muscle and never need have a shower again, I wouldn't. I'd spend the time doing other things.

Having said that, developing Ki Cleaning isn't really a priority.

EDIT: And this isn't the difference between nice-tasting food and bad-tasting food, it's the difference between average food and not having to eat. Sure you might do it sometimes, but it wouldn't be a thing you'd choose to do as regularly as we do now.
 
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Deathbybunnies said:
You know, being skilled in Multiform might be a benefit (give a boost to) Masque Research. You'd be able to intimately compare the differences between your regular form and your Masqued form, or variations on your Masqued form. With Telepathy, you could even examine differences in thinking. I suggest we mention both as subvotes if we ever do Research our Masque.

I feel like you're overestimating how great showers are. If I could clean myself by flexing a muscle and never need have a shower again, I wouldn't. I'd spend the time doing other things.

Having said that, developing Ki Cleaning isn't really a priority.
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Or maybe I'm speaking from my own personal experiences, and while there are days I'd take advantage of "flex to get clean", I'd still shower.

But fine, I'll drop the matter, seems like this is one of those "agree to disagree" moments.
 
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