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[] "Maybe."
-[] "He might get a little annoyed with me for not telling him about you sooner, which I won't regret by the way, But he'd never be angry at you for using your natural abilities.".

I'm so tempted by this one.

I'm also tempted by this:

[] "Maybe."
-[] "But if he isn't, he's going to learn not to be mean to my friends."

But I don't really see Kakara acting that way.

So I'm going to go with:

[X] "Yes."

and just pretend there's invisitext behind it that says, "probably. Maybe. YES, HE WILL BE NICE."

And none of you get to shatter my dreams. Except maybe @PoptartProdigy.
 
[] "Maybe."
-[] "He might get a little annoyed with me for not telling him about you sooner, which I won't regret by the way, But he'd never be angry at you for using your natural abilities.".

I'm so tempted by this one.

I'm also tempted by this:

[] "Maybe."
-[] "But if he isn't, he's going to learn not to be mean to my friends."

But I don't really see Kakara acting that way.

So I'm going to go with:

[X] "Yes."

and just pretend there's invisitext behind it that says, "probably. Maybe. YES, HE WILL BE NICE."

And none of you get to shatter my dreams. Except maybe @PoptartProdigy.
Om nom? ;)

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[X] "Yes."
No. of Votes: 13

[X] "Maybe."
-[X] "He might get a little annoyed with me for not telling him about you sooner, which I won't regret by the way, But he'd never be angry at you for using your natural abilities.".
No. of Votes: 3

[X] "No."
No. of Votes: 2

[X] "Maybe."
-[X] Elaborate that you believe he'd be act in what he believed to be the best, fairest way. That may not be what she would want/be happy with, and it'll close some paths her life could take. But it could also be exactly whats she wants and needs, and grants her opportunities she never would have had otherwise. But there's a high chance it'd happen anyway, and choosing to tell him now would mean that there's a better chance for a good outcome.
No. of Votes: 1

Total No. of Voters: 19

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Hum, no write-ins for yes means I am hesitant to vote for it despite being the most logical follow-up to the previous vote. Something like the one for maybe("He might get a little...") would be nice since even if he should manage not to screw this up for Maia he is going to have words with us and considering how close a friend Maia is she would take it personally. Though I suppose as long as Berra isn't too stupid in this regard we can downplay it to Maia or even hide it entirely.

[X] "Yes."
 
Hum, no write-ins for yes means I am hesitant to vote for it despite being the most logical follow-up to the previous vote. Something like the one for maybe("He might get a little...") would be nice since even if he should manage not to screw this up for Maia he is going to have words with us and considering how close a friend Maia is she would take it personally. Though I suppose as long as Berra isn't too stupid in this regard we can downplay it to Maia or even hide it entirely.
How about a "Don't worry, I'll be there with you." add on?
 
So he's someone we've known longer than anyone save our mother. As a Pacifist who espouses peace and is open-armed, if we can't trust and make peace with this man than we should give up now, because we'll be convincing no one else.
I think people are mistaking the question, which is not "do we trust Berra", and instead "are we sure he won't do anything."

You suspect Berra probably would try his best to turn this into a win-win situation for everyone, but being sure he would is another thing.

Though I would argue that you can never be completely sure about something, which you can see in the above line.
 
Though I would argue that you can never be completely sure about something, which you can see in the above line.
Yes, I suspect Berra probably would try his best to turn this into a win-win situation for everyone, and also that us, meaning Kakara would be there to make sure he does. Even in the unlikely chance that he goes against what we want completely... well, too bad. He has to listen to us. Remember how we acted with Yammar? Just the implication of how far we're going with this will force him to stop.

Finally, this isn't what we believe but rather what we tell Maya. Not getting her to join the Masquerade is a lose-lose situation for everyone, and at best an extremely uncomfortable situation for Maya that cuts her off from what makes her happy and will make her resentful of us. It also adds another variable we'll have to hide with Jaffur's situation soon coming to a head.

Making her join lets us get a win-win situation, and honestly I'm not going to put my head in the sand to avoid that just because of a chance that things might not go our way. And honestly, what do you expect Dad to do? Like, I don't see anything that he'll do in this situation that we wouldn't like.
 
[X] "Maybe."
-[X] "He might get a little annoyed with me for not telling him about you sooner, which I won't regret by the way, But he'd never be angry at you for using your natural abilities.".
 
Even in the unlikely chance that he goes against what we want completely... well, too bad. He has to listen to us. Remember how we acted with Yammar? Just the implication of how far we're going with this will force him to stop.
Neither us or Yammar were, at the time, a Lord/Lady. Berra, meanwhile, currently is, and has absolutely no requirement to listen to us.
Finally, this isn't what we believe but rather what we tell Maya. Not getting her to join the Masquerade is a lose-lose situation for everyone, and at best an extremely uncomfortable situation for Maya that cuts her off from what makes her happy and will make her resentful of us. It also adds another variable we'll have to hide with Jaffur's situation soon coming to a head.
We just need to convince her to do so. We don't need to lie to her about it.
Making her join lets us get a win-win situation, and honestly I'm not going to put my head in the sand to avoid that just because of a chance that things might not go our way.
You'll note my vote is for "Maybe", and has a write-in that tries to convince her, but doesn't hide there's likely to be consequences, though there'd also likely be consequences the other way.
And honestly, what do you expect Dad to do? Like, I don't see anything that he'll do in this situation that we wouldn't like.
Force her to stop training, because she's too much of a potential problem. Place her in a gilded cage that control hers life. Have Dandeer/another sorcerer erase her memories and place a restraint on her ability to use Ki. Flat-out kill her.

That's in most to least likely incidentally.

And then there's the possibility that, as someone who's laboured under the Garenhuld culture all her life, having this new world open up, only for all these new rules to restrict all the possibilities could very well result in a negative reaction. Or perhaps she reacts negatively to the Saiyan reveal, or even just fails to properly fit in because of her status as a human, exacerbated by the fact that she's really powerful and talented.
 
Neither us or Yammar were, at the time, a Lord/Lady. Berra, meanwhile, currently is, and has absolutely no requirement to listen to us.
Really? So he's not required to listen to his daughter, who he loves and is his heir while being the strongest being on the planet?
We just need to convince her to do so. We don't need to lie to her about it.
Nobody's lying. I think it's going to be fine, you don't.
Force her to stop training, because she's too much of a potential problem. Place her in a gilded cage that control hers life. Have Dandeer/another sorcerer erase her memories and place a restraint on her ability to use Ki. Flat-out kill her.
We're her Master. He'll have to go through us.

....He's not going to kill her. He's not going to kill a little girl who's done no wrong.:cool:


You're bringing a lot of bad stuff that can happen. I'm saying there is a lot of good stuff that is more likely, and any bad stuff we can deal with. Our argument is based on what we think is most likely, and our personal judgement on how dangerous an action is.

You aren't going to convince me, and I think vice versa is true. Shall we agree to disagree?
 
I think people are mistaking the question, which is not "do we trust Berra", and instead "are we sure he won't do anything."

You suspect Berra probably would try his best to turn this into a win-win situation for everyone, but being sure he would is another thing.

Though I would argue that you can never be completely sure about something, which you can see in the above line.

No, the question was whether he would be mean or think her stupid like the other adults she told before. Of course he is going to do something about it and we should be fairly confident that he won't tell her she is imagining things given that he PL is over 70000.
 
I think people are mistaking the question, which is not "do we trust Berra", and instead "are we sure he won't do anything."

You suspect Berra probably would try his best to turn this into a win-win situation for everyone, but being sure he would is another thing.

Though I would argue that you can never be completely sure about something, which you can see in the above line.

If the standard is absolute certainty, the question is meaningless. Absolute certainty is impossible to achieve in anything short of mathematics, so it is impossible to be "sure" of anything. The fact that she is asking the question anyway implies that what is meant by "sure" has some reasonable interpretation which doesn't cover, "Well, I'm not completely certain that I'm not just a brain in a jar hallucinating all of you." Kakara is pretty much as certain as it is possible for anyone to be in this context.

She's basically asking for Kakara to vouch for him not being mean. Everything we know tells us that he can be vouched for on this, and we have compelling reasons to take what little risk there is even if only judged as a pure agent of Maya's best interests.

The guy is a professional diplomat and grandmaster teacher. He's got some pretty serious skills and experience in this area. He also knows what happened the last time he tried something Kakara thought was wrong. He is going to make every effort possible to accommodate Kakara, because harming her very best friend ever is going to make somebody who is even stronger than he is go completely nuclear and he knows it. Nothing short of Maya being utterly unreasonable is going to force him into that, and coming forward voluntarily as the trusted pupil of his own daughter is pretty darn reasonable.
 
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