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Dragon Ball: After the End

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Andres110 said:
So, to clarify, both the write-in and the default will warn Maya about what will happen, it's just that mine does it before we start training?
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In terms of the exact effect, yes. Like I said, the difference is primarily in where it places the initiative and Kakara's stance on the matter.
XkaliburRage said:
The QM doesn't have eyebrows!? PURGE THE MUTANT!
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I will offer updates in exchange for not being purged. ;)
Tarantio said:
I think we should make the training dependent on telling dad, maybe write the excuse that we are a pupil not a master and any training we do should be approved by our master in the ki art. But the vote seem to be a fixed at this point so I'll just follow the train I like most on what's available (the write-in include the sensing ki as a possibility and I think we should maintain it a secret for now)
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Hey, if you have a write-in in mind, I'll delay the vote close for long enough to bring it to people's attention. Any thoughts?
Tarantio said:
Maybe, but we don't know that for sure. Plus really how much do we know about her besides that she is a loner, hate the conformism of her society and that she is either a mutant human or an hybrid sayan under a mask? We are not talking about a friend of a lifetime here, we are talking of an aquitance we made 2 years ago when we were 8 who sometime we see as a group outside of classroom... and I repeat she is 10 not an adult or teenager, so who know how she would react to anything.
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I will emphasize that Maya and the Misfits are more than mere acquaintances; if they were, they would still be classified as "Acquaintance [Friendly]." I instead have them listed as "Ally [Dependable]." While this is the lowest level of alliance, it does indicate deep friendship and trust.
ElleonXan said:
Please don't start this again.
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As you mention, this line of discussion was thoroughly tiresome when it last came up. Unfortunately, it has come up again since your post. To everybody who is engaging with it, I'd like to ask you to stop. Plainly, neither side is convincing the other.
rkyeun said:
@PoptartProdigy
This is not trying to be a write-in, but I'm on my phone in the back of a bumpy van ride and so editing large blocks of copypasta with precise cursor movement is not an easy task compared to stream of consciousness writing.
[X] Tell Maya before we agree to training. Tell her you're likely to get in trouble for doing so. Tell her if she gets too strong, people will be able to see her powers and she'll find trouble. Tell her if she wants to keep going past the cutoff, she's going to have to meet your dad. Don't slack on grades, it's part of our masque and our alibi vs treason.
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Merged.
Deathbybunnies said:
Oh, so there is a precedent? That makes it much more likely - about as likely as the other two front-runners, I'd reckon.
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And with that, Mystic Maya/Ultimate Maya (depending on your translation) is now in Kakara's stream of consciousness. Thanks to @Deathbybunnies and @KnightDisciple for contributing to the hivemind. ;)
rkyeun said:
@Deathbybunnies
Android. Illusion. Human-looking alien. A wish. Magic. Time travel.
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Has a discernible power level. You can personally attest that she is solid. She feels human. Possible. Too vague. Possible.

I love watching the theorycrafting. :D

Here's the present vote tally:

Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - Dragon Ball: After the End | Page 276 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.7.5

[X] No (You should be getting back to the party)
No. of Votes: 24
veekie
anailater
Andres110
Aranfan
Bakkasama
Bommelom
Cariyaga
ChildishChimera
Deathbybunnies
ElleonXan
GilliamYaeger
Karnax626
Katsuragi
KnightDisciple
Langevin
MEHFOOD
Nathaniel Wolff
pianoman
Pyran
Ridiculously Average Guy
Sucal
Tarantio
Walkin' Man
XkaliburRage

[X] Yes (Show off for your friend)
No. of Votes: 2
Gore17
KaintukeeBob

[X] Yes ("Nosy Little Girl" action is re-purposed into "Training Maya" action for the remainder of the year. You will teach your friend in ki, likely causing her power level to skyrocket and inevitably bringing her to the attention of your father. You will be open with Maya about that, but as you have elected not to reveal saiyan society to her as of yet, will remain mum on the wider implications of such a discovery. If you want to convince her to let you tell your Dad, you have until her power grows too great to be missed to do so)
No. of Votes: 19
veekie
anailater
Aranfan
Bakkasama
Bommelom
Cariyaga
ChildishChimera
Deathbybunnies
GilliamYaeger
Gore17
KaintukeeBob
Katsuragi
KnightDisciple
Nathaniel Wolff
pianoman
Ridiculously Average Guy
Tarantio
Walkin' Man
XkaliburRage

[X] Tell Maya about how Dad will eventually sense her if we train her. We can train her if she wants, but she has to understand that we might get in trouble if Dad finds out we trained her and we'll have to stop training her one day unless she wants to definitely be sensed.
-[X] If she declines training, upgrade Slacking to Maintain Grades
No. of Votes: 7
Andres110
ElleonXan
Karnax626
Langevin
MEHFOOD
Pyran
Sucal

[X] Tell Maya before we agree to training. Tell her you're likely to get in trouble for doing so. Tell her if she gets too strong, people will be able to see her powers and she'll find trouble. Tell her if she wants to keep going past the cutoff, she's going to have to meet your dad. Don't slack on grades, it's part of our masque and our alibi vs treason. (PRESENTLY SPLITTING FROM ABOVE WRITE-IN DUE LACK OF AN "UPGRADE TO MAINTAIN GRADES" SUB-VOTE)
No. of Votes: 1
rkyeun

Total No. of Voters: 27

Y'know, I thought there were a lot fewer people voting on this one until I read the tally. Funny how that sneaks up on you.

Returning to the party without a demonstration is the dominating champion, and simply agreeing to take her on over the "inform her beforehand" is winning there.
 
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Sorry, I meant I wasn't asking to form a new write-in of my own. I was asking to be merged.
 
Note that she has said that she is already training herself up, and will likely end up calling attention to herself even if Kakara doesn't contribute at all. Given that she's still growing, she's quite likely to cross the threshold even if she stops training completely. The only option for really stopping or seriously delaying that is to actively sabotage her training. Simply refusing to train her doesn't really solve anything and may not even buy a full year before it all falls apart anyway.



Ridiculously Average Guy said:
If dad finds out her secret because he senses her? Well, it's not our fault is it.
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If he finds out her secret, he probably also finds out that Kakara knew and kept it hidden.
 
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Obviously, she's the last daughter of a distant planet, sent to Garenhuld in a rocket when she was just a baby. Under Garenhuld's strange sun, she has gained powers beyond normal humans, and will fight for Truth, Justice, and Tea Parties (after we train her correctly).
 
[X] Tell Maya about how Dad will eventually sense her if we train her. We can train her if she wants, but she has to understand that we might get in trouble if Dad finds out we trained her and we'll have to stop training her one day unless she wants to definitely be sensed.
-[X] If she declines training, upgrade Slacking to Maintain Grades
[X] No (You should be getting back to the party)
 
[X] Tell Maya about how Dad will eventually sense her if we train her. We can train her if she wants, but she has to understand that we might get in trouble if Dad finds out we trained her and we'll have to stop training her one day unless she wants to definitely be sensed.
-[X] If she declines training, upgrade Slacking to Maintain Grades
[X] No (You should be getting back to the party)
 
[X] Tell Maya about how Dad will eventually sense her if we train her. We can train her if she wants, but she has to understand that we might get in trouble if Dad finds out we trained her and we'll have to stop training her one day unless she wants to definitely be sensed.
-[X] If she declines training, upgrade Slacking to Maintain Grades
[X] No (You should be getting back to the party)
 
The vote will close in one of two cases, whichever occurs first:

1) Two hours pass.

2) The thread turns into a ghost town following this post. :p

Here is the latest tally:

[X] No (You should be getting back to the party)
No. of Votes: 26
veekie
anailater
Andres110
Aranfan
Bakkasama
Bommelom
Cariyaga
ChildishChimera
Deathbybunnies
ElleonXan
GilliamYaeger
Karnax626
Katsuragi
KnightDisciple
Langevin
MEHFOOD
Nathaniel Wolff
NyxNull
pianoman
Pyran
Ridiculously Average Guy
Sucal
Tarantio
Terrabrand
Walkin' Man
XkaliburRage

[X] Yes (Show off for your friend)
No. of Votes: 2
Gore17
KaintukeeBob
[X] Yes ("Nosy Little Girl" action is re-purposed into "Training Maya" action for the remainder of the year. You will teach your friend in ki, likely causing her power level to skyrocket and inevitably bringing her to the attention of your father. You will be open with Maya about that, but as you have elected not to reveal saiyan society to her as of yet, will remain mum on the wider implications of such a discovery. If you want to convince her to let you tell your Dad, you have until her power grows too great to be missed to do so)
No. of Votes: 18
veekie
anailater
Bakkasama
Bommelom
Cariyaga
ChildishChimera
Deathbybunnies
GilliamYaeger
Gore17
KaintukeeBob
Katsuragi
KnightDisciple
Nathaniel Wolff
pianoman
Ridiculously Average Guy
Tarantio
Walkin' Man
XkaliburRage

[X] Tell Maya about how Dad will eventually sense her if we train her. We can train her if she wants, but she has to understand that we might get in trouble if Dad finds out we trained her and we'll have to stop training her one day unless she wants to definitely be sensed.
-[X] If she declines training, upgrade Slacking to Maintain Grades
No. of Votes: 11
Andres110
Aranfan
ElleonXan
Karnax626
Langevin
MEHFOOD
NyxNull
Pyran
rkyeun
Sucal
Terrabrand
 
I really don't think that training is something we can just, "stop", and expect it to prevent her from crossing the threshold, especially if we have already trained her right up to the edge. She's already training herself up, and she'll be better at self-training after proper instruction in the fundamentals, to say nothing of just her natural increase from being a growing child. If we don't actively sabotage her Berra will find her. If we train her to the edge of detection he will find her fast, regardless of whether or not we stop.
 
Lailoken said:
I really don't think that training is something we can just, "stop", and expect it to prevent her from crossing the threshold, especially if we have already trained her right up to the edge. She's already training herself up, and she'll be better at self-training after proper instruction in the fundamentals, to say nothing of just her natural increase from being a growing child. If we don't actively sabotage her Berra will find her. If we train her to the edge of detection he will find her fast, regardless of whether or not we stop.
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I think the plan either way is to convince Maya to tell Dad before that happens.
 
Bakkasama said:
I decided to go all in with Maya. She has potential to be a pretty strong fighter by the time Kakara becomes a Lady and while that is dangeroues fo the status quo in the long run, it could be a boon if she becomes loyal to Kakara. It would be a way to go around the Elder-Lord-Scion limit each clan has for the +15millon PL fighters each clan has and if she is loyal to Kakara first that would be a pretty big stick to have in politics. It would cause us a lot of trouble just to get to that point and burn some of our political capital (which is something we don't want as we need it for the Jaffur unsealing aftermath) but if actual threats come our way later on, a fighter on that level would be useful. On a galactic politics stage, having a strong agent who is not a saiyan could be interesting too as a figurehead; she wouldn't have the now mythical weight saiyans have but could build a power base while we get ready to unveil our existence.
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You want to take the route where we take away Maya's initiative on the matter so that we can more easily mould her into being a fighter we can call upon? That's callous, especially since Maya may not want to be a fighter. Not giving her forewarning of the risks just so we can more easily groom her into being a warrior for us goes against Kakara's pacifistic ideals, and even non-pacifists wouldn't look at our choice positively.

@Bommelom, you're voting for just 'Yes' because you don't want her to know about Ki Sense. PoptartProdigy said that your vote will tell her about it anyway. Since your reason for voting 'Yes' is wrong, can I convince you to vote for my write-in?
 
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Karnax626 said:
I think the plan either way is to convince Maya to tell Dad before that happens.
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It sounds like the write-in is to offer to train her anyway, and just tell her that we'll have to stop before she hits threshold. That's a bit of a problem, because it won't actually prevent the problem if she still doesn't want to share, and will in fact dramatically accelerate it. The more appropriate write-in would be, "I can only train you if I tell my father", though even that wouldn't really resolve the problem if she decided to just keep self-training instead.
 
Lailoken said:
It sounds like the write-in is to offer to train her anyway, and just tell her that we'll have to stop before she hits threshold. That's a bit of a problem, because it won't actually prevent the problem if she still doesn't want to share, and will in fact dramatically accelerate it. The more appropriate write-in would be, "I can only train you if I tell my father", though even that wouldn't really resolve the problem if she decided to just keep self-training instead.
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Actually, (and I feel like this has been said before) the write-in is where we lay out the facts straight up before hand and let her decide if the training is going to continue. It's the regular [yes] vote where we decide to train her anyway and during training her inform her that we'll have to stop before she teaches the threshold if she wants to remain undiscovered.
 
ElleonXan said:
Actually, (and I feel like this has been said before) the write-in is where we lay out the facts straight up before hand and let her decide if the training is going to continue. It's the regular [yes] vote where we decide to train her anyway and during training her inform her that we'll have to stop before she teaches the threshold if she wants to remain undiscovered.
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I'm referring to this one:

[] Tell Maya about how Dad will eventually sense her if we train her. We can train her if she wants, but she has to understand that we might get in trouble if Dad finds out we trained her and we'll have to stop training her one day unless she wants to definitely be sensed.​

i.e. "I'll train you up to close to the sensible threshold either way, but we'll have to stop when you get there if you don't agree to tell Berra at that time."

It certainly doesn't read as, "I can only even start training you at all if you agree to tell my father, because you will eventually get strong enough all on your own to get caught and make it clear that I kept your secret, and I don't want to accelerate the process."
 
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Lailoken said:
I'm referring to this one:

[] Tell Maya about how Dad will eventually sense her if we train her. We can train her if she wants, but she has to understand that we might get in trouble if Dad finds out we trained her and we'll have to stop training her one day unless she wants to definitely be sensed.​

i.e. "I'll train you up to close to the sensible threshold either way, but we'll have to stop when you get there if you don't agree to tell Berra at that time."

It certainly doesn't read as, "I can only even start training you at all if you agree to tell my father, because you will eventually get strong enough all on your own to get caught and make it clear that I kept your secret, and I don't want to accelerate the process."
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Ah, so I was slightly misunderstanding your point. My bad. Although in context I'm still not sure exactly what your point is.

That being said, according to our illustrious author the winning vote also has us telling her that we can train her to a point, but will have to stop at a certain level to decide what to do. We just do so while training her instead of beforehand.
 
Nathaniel Wolff said:
KEEP JOJO OUT OF DRAGON BALL THANK YOU
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Ah but it would explain so much you see!

Maya simply has her stand [ROCK THE DRAGON] This power simply allows her the ability to have one wish a yeah granted, she is not aware of this ability, nor does she know that her strength comes from a random wish she made at a younger age, all she knows is years ago she hurt herself on a mysterious [Arrow].

[Rock The Dragon Requiem] gives her three wishes and lets her know she even has a stand in the first place.
As keeping with the theme of requiems are bullshit, and are used to beat the last boss.
 
anailater said:
Ah but it would explain so much you see!

Maya simply has her stand [ROCK THE DRAGON] This power simply allows her the ability to have one wish a yeah granted, she is not aware of this ability, nor does she know that her strength comes from a random wish she made at a younger age, all she knows is years ago she hurt herself on a mysterious [Arrow].

[Rock The Dragon Requiem] gives her three wishes and lets her know she even has a stand in the first place.
As keeping with the theme of requiems are bullshit, and are used to beat the last boss.
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*twaps*

Noh
 
ElleonXan said:
Ah, so I was slightly misunderstanding your point. My bad. Although in context I'm still not sure exactly what your point is.

That being said, according to our illustrious author the winning vote also has us telling her that we can train her to a point, but will have to stop at a certain level to decide what to do. We just do so while training her instead of beforehand.
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Lailoken said:
I really don't think that training is something we can just, "stop", and expect it to prevent her from crossing the threshold, especially if we have already trained her right up to the edge. She's already training herself up, and she'll be better at self-training after proper instruction in the fundamentals, to say nothing of just her natural increase from being a growing child. If we don't actively sabotage her Berra will find her. If we train her to the edge of detection he will find her fast, regardless of whether or not we stop.
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Stopping the training partway through means that we avoid immediately rocketing her past the threshold, but it still puts her closer to it and enhances her already effective self-training and natural growth.
 
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