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Dragon Ball: After the End

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Alex pears said:
@PoptartProdigy
Something's been nagging me in the background, but I think it was when Dandeer said something to Bartel about Jaffur having an "obsession" with us.

My request is two fold
1. Am I miss remembering
2. If so in what context was this supposed to be?
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Andres110 said:
1. You're not.
2. He had a massive crush on us and subsequently always asked to spar with us.
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Alex pears said:
Oh crap.

We picked ourselves up a Yandare...:wtf:
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Actually, the crush thing was a joke within the update in which the heir of house Mato kept asking Fennela to spar and Kakara asked if it was because of a crush, before going on a tangent about whether that was the case with Jaffur.

What Dandeer implied about Jaffur being obsessed with us was when she was trying to convince Berra to help seal him and she said it when referring to how Jaffur beat his mother to a pulp but has careful enough to not kill us when he hit us after just turning super saiyan.
PoptartProdigy said:
What?" says Mom. "Why would we do that? Jaffur is just a boy!"

"Kala, I just told you that I Sealed my husband as he slept. Do you think a human managed to break both of my arms and flatten my left lung? A Sorceress I may be, but I could still turn this planet into ash if I wanted."

You go deadly still.

"I thought it was Vegeta," says Dad, his voice vacant with horror. "I thought..."

"Jaffur has been showing the same signs," she says, voice bitter. "When I told him what I had done...he flew into a rage and did this to me. It was all I could do to wipe his memory of the last hour and guide him back to bed before I passed out. Even most of the way to dead, he can still break me over his knee. And he did that to me, Berra. Kakara he treated like spun glass, so careful to knock her out and nothing more, Kakara he refused to spar because it wasn't fair, but he was charging a blast to pierce my heart when I stopped him. Look at what Vegeta did to my baby, Berra. Look at what he's made of my son."
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anailater said:
This brings up something I hadn't considered before.
It would make sense that if Gohan is hanging out in the afterlife most of the others must be as well, and if 18 is still alive, again questionable, Krillin would almost certainly be waiting for her.
But when 18 dies will she go to heaven, and I dont mean will she go to hell, will she go anywhere? A lot is left to the imagination about the robotisation of Lapis and Lazuli, how much do they remember, can lapis and lazuli even be said to be the same people as 17 and 18, what percentage of them was robot and how much human and so on.

Obviously people with robotic parts can go to the after life
After all Frieza was in hell, and in hell he was fully organic without the slapdash mech job he had when he died.
So this raises 2 important questions, if mechanical parts dont translate to the afterlife, can 18 even go there, and if she goes and her mechanics are replaced with organics, would she be 18 or lapis, and would Lapis have the same memories as 18.

Also this would later in the story give us an excuse to talk to Krillin, the best Z-fighter, in the same way we do Gohan, so I'm very for 18 being out there and him waiting.
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I hold that she is a living person with parts on, and thus still has a soul and is bound for an afterlife of some description. I also hold that she is the same individual as before Gero got to her.
 
[X] Tell the truth. It's not like you would lie about being a Seer.
-[X] Offer to demonstrate the truth. That vision you suppressed earlier is still nagging at the back of your skull, it would be simple enough to let it in for a quick look and some white eyes. It might be enough evidence if they don't believe you, or want confirmation.
-[X] Afterwards, ask how Jaron's been watched, because we haven't sensed anyone and we're one of the best ki sensors in the world.
- - [X] Make sure to actually make the tailed pun
-[X] And if he's willing why they're so devoted to Jaffur? This goes beyond loyalty to a Lord and you noticed it before the Sealing even occurred.
 
So, here's what the voting has stirred up thus far.

Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - Dragon Ball: After the End | Page 198 | Sufficient Velocity
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[X] Tell the truth. It's not like you would lie about being a Seer.
-[X] Offer to demonstrate the truth. That vision you suppressed earlier is still nagging at the back of your skull, it would be simple enough to let it in for a quick look and some white eyes. It might be enough evidence if they don't believe you, or want confirmation.
-[X] Afterwards, ask how Jaron's been watched, because we haven't sensed anyone and we're one of the best ki sensors in the world.
No. of Votes: 5
Bommelom
Aranfan
faflec
rkyeun
Terrabrand

[X] Demonstrate the truth. That vision you suppressed earlier is still nagging at the back of your skull, it would be simple enough to let it in for a quick look and some white eyes.
No. of Votes: 3
Bakkasama
Lupercal
Nathaniel Wolff

[X] Demonstrate the truth. That vision you suppressed earlier is still nagging at the back of your skull, it would be simple enough to let it in for a quick look and some white eyes.
-[X] Afterwards, ask how Jaron's been watched, because we haven't sensed anyone and we're one of the best ki sensors in the world.
No. of Votes: 3
Gore17
Pyran
veekie

[X] Tell the truth. It's not like you would lie about being a Seer.
-[X] Offer to demonstrate the truth. That vision you suppressed earlier is still nagging at the back of your skull, it would be simple enough to let it in for a quick look and some white eyes. It might be enough evidence if they don't believe you, or want confirmation.
No. of Votes: 3
Mortifer
Godzillaslayer10
Graves

[X] Demonstrate the truth. That vision you suppressed earlier is still nagging at the back of your skull, it would be simple enough to let it in for a quick look and some white eyes.
-[X] Afterwards, ask how Jaron's been tailed (hehe), because we haven't sensed anyone and we're one of the best ki sensors in the world.
--[X] Make sure to actually make the tailed pun
No. of Votes: 3
KnightDisciple
KaintukeeBob
Karnax626

[X] Tell the truth. It's not like you would lie about being a Seer.
-[X] Afterwards, ask how Jaron's been tailed (hehe), because we haven't sensed anyone and we're the best ki senser in the world.
No. of Votes: 1
Andres110

[X] Tell the truth. It's not like you would lie about being a Seer.
-[X] Afterwards, ask how Jaron's been tailed (hehe), because we haven't sensed anyone and we're the best ki senser in the world.
- - [X] Make sure to actually make the tailed pun
No. of Votes: 1
anailater

[X] Demonstrate the truth. That vision you suppressed earlier is still nagging at the back of your skull, it would be simple enough to let it in for a
No. of Votes: 1
hcvquizibo

[X] Tell the truth. It's not like you would lie about being a Seer.
-[X] Offer to demonstrate the truth. That vision you suppressed earlier is still nagging at the back of your skull, it would be simple enough to let it in for a quick look and some white eyes. It might be enough evidence if they don't believe you, or want confirmation.
-[X] Afterwards, ask how Jaron's been watched, because we haven't sensed anyone and we're one of the best ki sensors in the world.
-[X] And if he's willing why they're so devoted to Jaffur? This goes beyond loyalty to a Lord and you noticed it before the Sealing even occurred.
No. of Votes: 1
Alex pears

[X] Tell the truth. It's not like you would lie about being a Seer.
-[X] Offer to demonstrate the truth. That vision you suppressed earlier is still nagging at the back of your skull, it would be simple enough to let it in for a quick look and some white eyes. It might be enough evidence if they don't believe you, or want confirmation.
-[X] Afterwards, ask how Jaron's been watched, because we haven't sensed anyone and we're one of the best ki sensors in the world.
- - [X] Make sure to actually make the tailed pun
-[X] And if he's willing why they're so devoted to Jaffur? This goes beyond loyalty to a Lord and you noticed it before the Sealing even occurred.
No. of Votes: 1
ChildishChimera

Total No. of Voters: 22

...can we see some consolidation over the next few hours? That's a very split vote.
 
[X] Tell the truth. It's not like you would lie about being a Seer.
-[X] Offer to demonstrate the truth. That vision you suppressed earlier is still nagging at the back of your skull, it would be simple enough to let it in for a quick look and some white eyes. It might be enough evidence if they don't believe you, or want confirmation.
-[X] Afterwards, ask how Jaron's been watched, because we haven't sensed anyone and we're one of the best ki sensors in the world.
- - [X] Make sure to actually make the tailed pun
-[X] And if he's willing why they're so devoted to Jaffur? This goes beyond loyalty to a Lord and you noticed it before the Sealing even occurred.
 
[X] Tell the truth. It's not like you would lie about being a Seer.
-[X] Offer to demonstrate the truth. That vision you suppressed earlier is still nagging at the back of your skull, it would be simple enough to let it in for a quick look and some white eyes. It might be enough evidence if they don't believe you, or want confirmation.
-[X] Afterwards, ask how Jaron's been watched, because we haven't sensed anyone and we're one of the best ki sensors in the world.
 
[X] Tell the truth. It's not like you would lie about being a Seer.
-[X] Offer to demonstrate the truth. That vision you suppressed earlier is still nagging at the back of your skull, it would be simple enough to let it in for a quick look and some white eyes. It might be enough evidence if they don't believe you, or want confirmation.
-[X] Afterwards, ask how Jaron's been watched, because we haven't sensed anyone and we're one of the best ki sensors in the world.
- - [X] Make sure to actually make the tailed pun
-[X] And if he's willing why they're so devoted to Jaffur? This goes beyond loyalty to a Lord and you noticed it before the Sealing even occurred.

Ill change to this cause it has everything i could need.

One final thought on the 18 subject, she would be an amazing ally if we could find her, a skilled fighter with knowledge of the enemy who doesn't have a Ki signature, not to mention she could help our society learn more about the real past.

EDIT: This might actually be an amazing reason to focus on present sight or past sight, information on the current state of the universe or info on the enemy.
 
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[X] Tell the truth. It's not like you would lie about being a Seer.
-[X] Offer to demonstrate the truth. That vision you suppressed earlier is still nagging at the back of your skull, it would be simple enough to let it in for a quick look and some white eyes. It might be enough evidence if they don't believe you, or want confirmation.
-[X] Afterwards, ask how Jaron's been watched, because we haven't sensed anyone and we're one of the best ki sensors in the world.
 
I'm still wondering why Jaffurs sister hasn't been named Scion myself!

But meh

[X] Tell the truth. It's not like you would lie about being a Seer.
-[X] Offer to demonstrate the truth. That vision you suppressed earlier is still nagging at the back of your skull, it would be simple enough to let it in for a quick look and some white eyes. It might be enough evidence if they don't believe you, or want confirmation.
-[X] Afterwards, ask how Jaron's been watched, because we haven't sensed anyone and we're one of the best ki sensors in the world.
- - [X] Make sure to actually make the tailed pun
-[X] And if he's willing why they're so devoted to Jaffur? This goes beyond loyalty to a Lord and you noticed it before the Sealing even occurred.
 
[X] Tell the truth. It's not like you would lie about being a Seer.
-[X] Offer to demonstrate the truth. That vision you suppressed earlier is still nagging at the back of your skull, it would be simple enough to let it in for a quick look and some white eyes. It might be enough evidence if they don't believe you, or want confirmation.
-[X] Afterwards, ask how Jaron's been watched, because we haven't sensed anyone and we're one of the best ki sensors in the world.
- - [X] Make sure to actually make the tailed pun
-[X] And if he's willing why they're so devoted to Jaffur? This goes beyond loyalty to a Lord and you noticed it before the Sealing even occurred.
 
Aranfan said:
-[X] Afterwards, ask how Jaron's been watched, because we haven't sensed anyone and we're one of the best ki sensors in the world.
- - [X] Make sure to actually make the tailed pun
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It has to say "Jaron's been tailed" for it to be a pun.

[X] Tell the truth. It's not like you would lie about being a Seer.
-[X] Offer to demonstrate the truth. That vision you suppressed earlier is still nagging at the back of your skull, it would be simple enough to let it in for a quick look and some white eyes. It might be enough evidence if they don't believe you, or want confirmation.
-[X] Afterwards, ask how Jaron's been watched, because we haven't sensed anyone and we're one of the best ki sensors in the world.
--[X] Make sure to actually make the tailed pun
-[X] And if he's willing why they're so devoted to Jaffur? This goes beyond loyalty to a Lord and you noticed it before the Sealing even occurred.
 
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[X] Tell the truth. It's not like you would lie about being a Seer.
-[X] Offer to demonstrate the truth. That vision you suppressed earlier is still nagging at the back of your skull, it would be simple enough to let it in for a quick look and some white eyes. It might be enough evidence if they don't believe you, or want confirmation.
-[X] Afterwards, ask how Jaron's been watched, because we haven't sensed anyone and we're one of the best ki sensors in the world.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
Same reason Vegeta is still Lord: neither of them are dead.
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Officially. Personally, I'm wondering if we could use Jaffurs sealing as proof that his personality was replaced, and since the process went perfectly for him, that might mean his previous mind/soul/personality has been completely erased and replaced. If so, he kinda would be.

^What I'm hoping is the case, as it'd give us a solid cause to declare/hold Dandeers Regency unlawful. That'd solve a lot of problems.
 
Gore17 said:
Officially. Personally, I'm wondering if we could use Jaffurs sealing as proof that his personality was replaced, and since the process went perfectly for him, that might mean his previous mind/soul/personality has been completely erased and replaced. If so, he kinda would be.

^What I'm hoping is the case, as it'd give us a solid cause to declare/hold Dandeers Regency unlawful. That'd solve a lot of problems.
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Better get looking for evidence, then. ;)
 
[X] Tell the truth. It's not like you would lie about being a Seer.
-[X] Offer to demonstrate the truth. That vision you suppressed earlier is still nagging at the back of your skull, it would be simple enough to let it in for a quick look and some white eyes. It might be enough evidence if they don't believe you, or want confirmation.
-[X] Afterwards, ask how Jaron's been tailed, because we haven't sensed anyone and we're one of the best ki sensors in the world.
--[X] Make sure to actually make the tailed pun
-[X] And if he's willing why they're so devoted to Jaffur? This goes beyond loyalty to a Lord and you noticed it before the Sealing even occurred.
 
[X] Demonstrate the truth. That vision you suppressed earlier is still nagging at the back of your skull, it would be simple enough to let it in for a quick look and some white eyes.
-[X] Afterwards, ask how Jaron's been tailed (hehe), because we haven't sensed anyone and we're one of the best ki sensors in the world.
--[X] Make sure to actually make the tailed pun
 
Let's see...

Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - Dragon Ball: After the End | Page 198 | Sufficient Velocity
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[X] Tell the truth. It's not like you would lie about being a Seer.
-[X] Offer to demonstrate the truth. That vision you suppressed earlier is still nagging at the back of your skull, it would be simple enough to let it in for a quick look and some white eyes. It might be enough evidence if they don't believe you, or want confirmation.
-[X] Afterwards, ask how Jaron's been watched, because we haven't sensed anyone and we're one of the best ki sensors in the world.
No. of Votes: 7
Bommelom
adaer
faflec
Genon
Nix's Warden
rkyeun
Terrabrand

[X] Tell the truth. It's not like you would lie about being a Seer.
-[X] Offer to demonstrate the truth. That vision you suppressed earlier is still nagging at the back of your skull, it would be simple enough to let it in for a quick look and some white eyes. It might be enough evidence if they don't believe you, or want confirmation.
-[X] Afterwards, ask how Jaron's been watched, because we haven't sensed anyone and we're one of the best ki sensors in the world.
- - [X] Make sure to actually make the tailed pun
-[X] And if he's willing why they're so devoted to Jaffur? This goes beyond loyalty to a Lord and you noticed it before the Sealing even occurred.
No. of Votes: 5
ChildishChimera
anailater
Aranfan
sithmor
Sucal

[X] Demonstrate the truth. That vision you suppressed earlier is still nagging at the back of your skull, it would be simple enough to let it in for a quick look and some white eyes.
No. of Votes: 3
Bakkasama
Lupercal
Nathaniel Wolff

[X] Demonstrate the truth. That vision you suppressed earlier is still nagging at the back of your skull, it would be simple enough to let it in for a quick look and some white eyes.
-[X] Afterwards, ask how Jaron's been watched, because we haven't sensed anyone and we're one of the best ki sensors in the world.
No. of Votes: 3
Gore17
Pyran
veekie

[X] Tell the truth. It's not like you would lie about being a Seer.
-[X] Offer to demonstrate the truth. That vision you suppressed earlier is still nagging at the back of your skull, it would be simple enough to let it in for a quick look and some white eyes. It might be enough evidence if they don't believe you, or want confirmation.
No. of Votes: 3
Mortifer
Godzillaslayer10
Graves

[X] Demonstrate the truth. That vision you suppressed earlier is still nagging at the back of your skull, it would be simple enough to let it in for a quick look and some white eyes.
-[X] Afterwards, ask how Jaron's been tailed (hehe), because we haven't sensed anyone and we're one of the best ki sensors in the world.
--[X] Make sure to actually make the tailed pun
No. of Votes: 3
KnightDisciple
Karnax626
NyxNull

[X] Tell the truth. It's not like you would lie about being a Seer.
-[X] Offer to demonstrate the truth. That vision you suppressed earlier is still nagging at the back of your skull, it would be simple enough to let it in for a quick look and some white eyes. It might be enough evidence if they don't believe you, or want confirmation.
-[X] Afterwards, ask how Jaron's been tailed, because we haven't sensed anyone and we're one of the best ki sensors in the world.
--[X] Make sure to actually make the tailed pun
-[X] And if he's willing why they're so devoted to Jaffur? This goes beyond loyalty to a Lord and you noticed it before the Sealing even occurred.
No. of Votes: 2
Andres110
KaintukeeBob

[X] Demonstrate the truth. That vision you suppressed earlier is still nagging at the back of your skull, it would be simple enough to let it in for a
No. of Votes: 1
hcvquizibo

[X] Tell the truth. It's not like you would lie about being a Seer.
-[X] Offer to demonstrate the truth. That vision you suppressed earlier is still nagging at the back of your skull, it would be simple enough to let it in for a quick look and some white eyes. It might be enough evidence if they don't believe you, or want confirmation.
-[X] Afterwards, ask how Jaron's been watched, because we haven't sensed anyone and we're one of the best ki sensors in the world.
-[X] And if he's willing why they're so devoted to Jaffur? This goes beyond loyalty to a Lord and you noticed it before the Sealing even occurred.
No. of Votes: 1
Alex pears

Total No. of Voters: 28

Well, that's a bit more consolidated. In the lead by a wide margin is telling the truth, followed by offering to demonstrate the truth (followed by following through if the answer is yes), but we're splitting over the sub-votes. So, while voting is not yet closed, I want to just ask for people to respond to the following questions:

I mentioned earlier that there was no need to inquire about the Senzu's devotion towards Jaffur as Kakara would simply do it unless anybody objected. Given that some people voted for it anyway, I'm now unsure whether or not those who haven't voted to ask are doing so in protest of that. So, if anybody has an objection to that question, please say over the next few hours. If somebody does object, voicing that question will become a voting matter. If not, all votes asking that question will be merged with otherwise-identical votes.

Similarly, we have a hefty split on the otherwise-leading vote, among others. Some are voting to ask about Jaron being tailed -- with, yes, the obvious "tailed" pun included. The technical front-runner uses the phrasing "watched." Given that this is a point of exact phrasing, I'd like you all specifically to come to consensus on that. If nobody has objected within the next few hours, all such votes will be merged with the assumption of no tail pun being included. If somebody does object, it remains a matter of voting.

The vote will close in twelve hours. Of note is that the various votes for just demonstrating the truth form a significant minority of the vote -- one bigger than the current front-runner, taken together -- but are split into tiny blocks along the above lines. So if the currently winning votes don't consolidate there, and the smaller blocks do, then it's still anybody's vote. :evil:

Bye, now!
 
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PoptartProdigy said:
Similarly, we have a hefty split on the otherwise-leading vote, among others. Some are voting to ask about Jaron being tailed -- with, yes, the obvious "tailed" pun included. The technical front-runner uses the phrasing "watched." Given that this is a point of exact phrasing, I'd like you all specifically to come to consensus on that. If nobody has objected within the next few hours, all such votes will be merged with the assumption of no tail pun being included. If somebody does object, it remains a matter of voting.
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I object to your handling of this. Why can't watched be used in the "gist" thing, with a rider of "make it a tailed pun"?
 
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