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Dragon Ball: After the End

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Andres110 said:
See, this shit right here is why we can't break the Masquerade. Because then we have hundreds of thousands of unstable murder monkeys unleashed on a galaxy that can't fight back and is completely subject to the whims of these volatile, fight-happy time bombs.
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Listen, we can't even get off planet yet, their is literally one space ship on the entire planet and no one knows about it.

And do you really think that with the constant threat of the enemy hanging over their heads any saiyan would be dumb enough to start fighting outside the wards?
 
anailater said:
Listen, we can't even get off planet yet, their is literally one space ship on the entire planet and no one knows about it.

And do you really think that with the constant threat of the enemy hanging over their heads any saiyan would be dumb enough to start fighting outside the wards?
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I don't understand why you're challenging what I said that way. It's like if I said "Spirit Bomb is my favourite attack" and you responded "Listen, do you really think we're going to learn how to use the Spirit Bomb? We can't contact King Kai and we're not pure of heart."
 
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Andres110 said:
I don't understand why you're challenging what I said that way. It's like if I said "Spirit Bomb is my favourite attack" and you responded "Listen, do you really think we're going to learn how to use the Spirit Bomb? We can't contact King Kai and we're not pure of heart."
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You said we shouldnt break the masquerade because then the saiyans would fuck up the galaxy.

I told you we cant get to the galaxy and they cant do that anyway.

How is that crazy?
 
*Reads the Fall of Talt entry*

...Okay, man, **** that. I get putting down a rebellion, I could maybe understand (if not condone) the "fight the super-saiyans and kill them" bit.

But "he defeated a six-year-old in 2 seconds but took an hour to kill her", and taking 24 hours to kill a dude?

That's some straight up Winter Fae Court bullshit right there.

You won't convince me, the Quester/Voter, that this was necessary.
 
KnightDisciple said:
*Reads the Fall of Talt entry*

...Okay, man, **** that. I get putting down a rebellion, I could maybe understand (if not condone) the "fight the super-saiyans and kill them" bit.

But "he defeated a six-year-old in 2 seconds but took an hour to kill her", and taking 24 hours to kill a dude?

That's some straight up Winter Fae Court bullshit right there.

You won't convince me, the Quester/Voter, that this was necessary.
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You've never had a bad day?

There is a practical objection, however. I'm almost surprised that he didn't end up driving one of the dozens of Super Saiyans to the second level.
 
The fall of house Talt had the curious effect of being both better and worse than I expected. On one hand, they forced his hand into killing them all by all of them turning into supersaiyan; by that point he couldn't leave anyone alive. On the other hand, the whole torture thing was absolutely horrible.

Back to the first hand, at least that ensured no more rebellions would rise. Back to the second hand, he had House Senzu, who where allies of Bricca Talt in helping put down the last rebellion watch.

Back to the first, the guy had just had his father murdered by betrayal by someone they trusted. Back to the second, if he took at least an hour for one of them and there were 57 rebels, the sheer time he took to do this shows how monstrous his fury is and considering how expensive senzu's are he spent a fortune just prolonging their suffering.

I do have two questions though. First one, since two full power super saiyan defeated the rebellion, does that mean Apra helped capture them? Because if Vegeta were already 8 by that point, I would ask why didn't the Goku Lords fight.

The second is, how did the house of Talt keep their preparations hidden? We have seen that houses have individual ki supressing wards but to the point and space to train 57 super saiyans?
 
Aranfan said:
I had actually read that as "took two hours to expire from wounds" which is only slightly better.
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At that point the question becomes why he didn't mercy-kill her?
And he explicitly tortured the Head Talt over the course of 24 hours.

See, this is why I don't buy his "I'm not responsible for Jaffur being traumatized" bullshit, because this crap completely broke his son Vegeta, and that breakage in turn broke, or nearly broke I guess, Jaffur.
It's not as bad as "I injected a dog with rabies, but I'm totally not responsible for it infecting that kid over there with rabies!", but it is pretty close to "I let that dog become near-feral from how I treated it, and didn't care it got rabid, but it's not my fault that when it got loose it mauled that kid and infected him!".
 
Bakkasama said:
The fall of house Talt had the curious effect of being both better and worse than I expected. On one hand, they forced his hand into killing them all by all of them turning into supersaiyan; by that point he couldn't leave anyone alive. On the other hand, the whole torture thing was absolutely horrible.

Back to the first hand, at least that ensured no more rebellions would rise. Back to the second hand, he had House Senzu, who where allies of Bricca Talt in helping put down the last rebellion watch.

Back to the first, the guy had just had his father murdered by betrayal by someone they trusted. Back to the second, if he took at least an hour for one of them and there were 57 rebels, the sheer time he took to do this shows how monstrous his fury is and considering how expensive senzu's are he spent a fortune just prolonging their suffering.

I do have two questions though. First one, since two full power super saiyan defeated the rebellion, does that mean Apra helped capture them? Because if Vegeta were already 8 by that point, I would ask why didn't the Goku Lords fight.

The second is, how did the house of Talt keep their preparations hidden? We have seen that houses have individual ki supressing wards but to the point and space to train 57 super saiyans?
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Bear in mind that most of the rebels died in the fighting before reaching TortureBowl1140, but yeah.

It was just Vegeta and Yammar. They were enough for the task given how the ASSJ and USSJ forms work. It was really more tedious than challenging.

Very carefully. They actually wound up renting out the Training Hall a lot for "parties" a great deal.

The use of the Training Hall is now significantly more restricted.
 
Aranfan said:
Fun Fact, judging by the stances in the anime, Vegeta used Final Flash on Recoome, and without using the name either. It doesn't do much.
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He does the psuedo-final flash against Freiza too. Doesn't do much there either.

Also yeah, I'm pretty solidly in the "Yammar, is an evil dick" camp too. Either Yammar won the fight and then spent 59 minutes and 58 seconds watching her die before moving on to her younger brother (whose limbs he had blown off before the fight with the girl) or he tortured her for that time. Either way, he's bound for HFIL. Even if he did it solely to prevent future rebellion with a heavy heart, I still feel he's unquestionably an evil person. An evil act doesn't become less evil because it's performed with good intentions after all. Road to HFIL and all that.

Let's not ever meet him alone in a dark alley. Or meet him alone in a bright alley. Or just meet him at all if we can avoid it.

Actually, now that I'm thinking about the afterlife, I wonder what everyone is up to. I mean, knowing what happened with The Enemy, most of them probably put in some solid training right? I wonder how freakishly powerful everyone has gotten after all these years.

Behold the mighty Yamcha! After an eternity of training will he finally be stong enough to win and survive a fight that isn't filler? Find out probably never on DRAGON BALL: AFTER THE END!
 
Rmnimoc said:
He does the psuedo-final flash against Freiza too. Doesn't do much there either.

Also yeah, I'm pretty solidly in the "Yammar, is an evil dick" camp too. Either Yammar won the fight and then spent 59 minutes and 58 seconds watching her die before moving on to her younger brother (whose limbs he had blown off before the fight with the girl) or he tortured her for that time. Either way, he's bound for HFIL. Even if he did it solely to prevent future rebellion with a heavy heart, I still feel he's unquestionably an evil person. An evil act doesn't become less evil because it's performed with good intentions after all. Road to HFIL and all that.

Let's not ever meet him alone in a dark alley. Or meet him alone in a bright alley. Or just meet him at all if we can avoid it.

Actually, now that I'm thinking about the afterlife, I wonder what everyone is up to. I mean, knowing what happened with The Enemy, most of them probably put in some solid training right? I wonder how freakishly powerful everyone has gotten after all these years.

Behold the mighty Yamcha! After an eternity of training will he finally be stong enough to win and survive a fight that isn't filler? Find out probably never on DRAGON BALL: AFTER THE END!
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Well, my personal speculation is that Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, and Gohan are gods now. Like, with Domain Powers and everything.
The others are probably ridonkugood fighters.
 
KnightDisciple said:
Well, my personal speculation is that Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, and Gohan are gods now. Like, with Domain Powers and everything.
The others are probably ridonkugood fighters.
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Gods in Dragon Ball don't have domain powers or anything like that. They have god ki and they're very powerful but they otherwise don't have any special abilities or properties.
 
Andres110 said:
Gods in Dragon Ball don't have domain powers or anything like that. They have god ki and they're very powerful but they otherwise don't have any special abilities or properties.
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Not true. If you're up to the latest episodes, you'll notice that the Kaioshins, who are the Gods of Creation and Beerus who is the God of Destruction have their own special abilities. Kaioshins can travel into the future and stuff, and can also teleport to anywhere in the multiverse. During the fight against Goku, Beerus had a scene of just erasing energy and doing the same later to Zamasu which is likely his domain of destruction.
 
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