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Do you dislike me asking these? I really wasn't kidding when I said how much work it took.
Omake bonuses are, traditionally, less an aknowledgement of work, and more an encouragement to do more of x. So an author that likes receieving fanart or seeing people writing in their setting, might add a mechanical incentive to align incentives; the player gets better outcomes for their character, and the QM gets content. This might spread to, eg, someone handling administrative backend work for a qm, or to put incentives on some kinds of planmaking, like with MfD and its wordcount & quality xp awards, but questions are a coming at this from a different end; they're something the QM is doing for the players, rather than the reverse.
 
Do you dislike me asking these? I really wasn't kidding when I said how much work it took.
asking questions is not the same as writing an omake. Nothing wrong with it, but the only place it works like you'd like/hope is, as far as I know, the Rihaku quests, and that's a very different system. Questions and/or arguments were never rewarded like that in Poptart's quests.

Personally I thought many of your questions had merit, but the answers are your/our rewards.

Also a quick reminder: Kakara's time is VERY limited. many of your research projects are interesting, but remember that we can feasibly only research 2, maybe three at a time, especially considering how many other things we have to do, and each single project is likely to take at least months.

thoughts about two of them, by the way:

*Refinement makes ki look more liquid. Overdrive makes it look like plasma. What happens if you make it solid? And is there another gas state, or is the default 'flame' shape all there is for that?

Depending on the end goal I'd expect either the creation of temporary ki constructs, like a more solid ki shield and/or ki blade, or maybe a permanent object originally made of ki but that became stable/made of normal matter.

It would be a VERY far goal, and probably not worth it in terms of combat potential though. Maybe after mastering ki refinement? It could be an elite+ talent for it.
*It seems like it should be possible to invert Overdrive, making one read at the same power level but spending much less energy. How? And what does it look like?

We are quite literally a novice with Ki Overdrive. Like many advanced techniques this sounds a lot like an elite+ talent, so we should first try and reach exceptional level with ki overdrive before we try to do something like this. I think it was mentioned Ki Overdrive has some potential in terms of ki stealth, which is basically what you're mentioning, but we're simply not skilled enough to try and evolve it in that direction yet.



Personally I think a good approach to research projects and advanced technique is to think of them in terms of elite+ talents, so I usually start by asking myself to which skill my end-goal technique seems the most connected/a natural evolution of. If we're exceptional in that one, I consider it a viable project.

Rarely I might think it's not quite an evolution, but something new/different and not quite as revolutionary, so it might count as a new technique instead
 
No kidding - more than four, in fact. Also, it's apparently a Compliant omake, and didn't say quite what I thought it did. (To be precise, it says Kakara set the boost to 'drip feed so it would last longer, since it's so far above her cap'. No mention of it hurting her. On the other hand, unsealing Jaffur by ki donation sufficient to knock him out was mentioned. Do you mind expanding on that?)

Even after spending a whole AP on it the other month? She did get enough to figure out that multiforms are too spiritually similar to benefit from the isolation, at least.

Which is to say lots, and fairly randomly distributed?

Whoops. Sorry about that.

Does Bassoon know any more about this?

Do you dislike me asking these? I really wasn't kidding when I said how much work it took.
  • I'll rule that massive ki donations all at once can be dangerous in the same way that hooking a garden hose full of blood up to an artery can be dangerous.
  • Check the character sheet, Horatio. Kakara simply cannot form a Genki Dama in Bassoon's head at her present level of host bond.
  • Essentially. Stamina is a wide distribution. Not every species in the galaxy evolved from persistence predators.
  • No worries.
  • Hasn't really studied it, no.
  • No, it's just not an omake, it's a question list.
 
We are quite literally a novice with Ki Overdrive. Like many advanced techniques this sounds a lot like an elite+ talent, so we should first try and reach exceptional level with ki overdrive before we try to do something like this. I think it was mentioned Ki Overdrive has some potential in terms of ki stealth, which is basically what you're mentioning, but we're simply not skilled enough to try and evolve it in that direction yet.



Personally I think a good approach to research projects and advanced technique is to think of them in terms of elite+ talents, so I usually start by asking myself to which skill my end-goal technique seems the most connected/a natural evolution of. If we're exceptional in that one, I consider it a viable project.

Rarely I might think it's not quite an evolution, but something new/different and not quite as revolutionary, so it might count as a new technique instead
The problem with that approach is that it gates all the interesting research behind years of in-game - and, importantly, out-of-game - investment. Also, we're axiomatically not allowed to get more than two tricks that way, although we might be able to loophole a little if we can find research partners at near-Elite level to fill their Talent slots for us.
  • Check the character sheet, Horatio. Kakara simply cannot form a Genki Dama in Bassoon's head at her present level of host bond.
I was referring to this, actually:
Experimenting with the genki dama is...trying.

For one thing, you need to cram it into the very limited manifestation time you have; your bond with Bassoon is not yet deep enough to support that. You're very sequestered, in his mindscape; knowing that everything is intrinsically connected doesn't help when there are very real -- if metaphysical -- barriers between you and the outside world. You can only do it when you're out of Bassoon's head -- in fact, when you're out of of the katchin domes the Dragon Clan makes for you, if you want to experiment with more than an extremely small selection of the people on New Namek. Still, you manage to set aside a couple of days to experiment.

And then, perceptions boosted as much as your power allows, you whip through possibilities.

You'd had high hopes for ki refinement, but it turns out that it doesn't do that much for you when you use the genki dama, or even when you go spirit saiyan. For a heartbeat, you can almost feel it catch, almost feel it transmute that titanic well of strength into something more...but it doesn't take. All it does is improve your personal contribution to the technique, which isn't nothing, but isn't exactly what you'd hoped for, either. You feel like there might be potential here, but...as it stands, it's not working. Something about how you approach the genki dama may need to change in order to get that working.

Then, however, you turn your attention to the real meat of your experimentation -- testing out your other forms and seeing if a multiform, especially a transformed one, can contribute to the genki dama.

And it turns out that they cannot.

Base saiyan, masqued saiyan, ape saiyan, super saiyan -- none of them can contribute. The instant it hits the technique, their power merges back into your own as a unified whole. It might be different if you had perfect multiform, but your present proof-of-concept technique, while a drastic improvement on your first, still doesn't give you enough time to test this, and besides...something about it feels less tractable than ki refinement's failure did. You couldn't articulate it, but you feel like this one might be running up against more metaphysical limitations. Like you can only count once towards the genki dama. You're not entirely sure how or why that would work, or even if there's a way around it...but you have a feeling, and it feels fairly convincing, as these go.

The genki dama is highly resistant to leveraging in this sort of manner, although Kakara feels that qualitative boosts like ki refinement may not be intrinsically unattainable -- they simply are now. She believes that the key to integrating these sorts of boosts may lie in greater mastery of the genki dama itself. She is, at present, extremely skeptical of the viability of multiform boosting the technique's power, although she's not willing to say for certain that it can't work.
Since she can donate ki to him without manifesting, it seems an obvious thing to have tried here. I know it wasn't on the plan, but a couple seconds worth of manifestation time - beginning when she realized it might be a good test, which is to say, after the initial test battery was done - seems too trivial to demand another AP investment.
  • No, it's just not an omake, it's a question list.
Fair enough. Can this part count as omake-type fanwork, though?
Things I'm fairly sure of:
*Ki 'clumps' when collected coherently, such as in someone's body. There is a standard level of clumping for any given concentration of ki. 'Larger' clumps travel further before they stop being detectable. (I'm going to refer to clumps as 'motes' from now on, on aesthetic grounds.)
*Despite using particle terms, I'm not certain ki is made of particles. It may be made of fields. (Not being made of particles does not necissitate infinite divisibility, although it may imply infinite granularity above minimum size.)
*Conventional power evaluation is based on 'mote size'. Actual energy output is probably a function of ki-per-volume-per-second.
*Ki is inflected, carrying information related to the originator - such as emotional state and identity - along with physical characteristics like heat and elasticity. Ki control can manipulate some or all of these characteristics.
*Some ki characteristics can prevent compressed motes from condensing; selfhood structures within a Genki Dama are one of these, Overdrive and Refinement mechanics are another.
*Ki is usually not generated as fast as the user can spend it. Instead, a large fraction of a person's supply is stored somehow. Dazarel's feeding technique increases his tank size disproportionally to his regen rate and maximum throughput.
*Since power level is historically reliable, size of ki-mote has traditionally scaled with every nonmechanical method of increasing available force. The exceptions must thus be extremely unusual somehow.
*Non-weaponized ki radiation is basically never harmful, at least at known saturation levels. The simple explanation is that it's just not harmful, period. The complicated alternative is that how much ki gets released doesn't really change, how far away it stays coherent/moving/recognizable does, and the maximum detectable range given nondecaying coherence has never been found. (And indeed may be longer than the longest axis of the universe.)
*Oozaru's exceptional strength and durability is basically a factor of constant x1.5 Overdrive, their storage tank is at least that much bigger to compensate, and their base speed is actually one-third rather than one-half.

Suspicions:
*'Tank size' is fairly consistent. 'Nozzle size' is extremely consistent. (I'm not sure if it's directly proportional to body mass, or if body enhancement just gets more efficient at larger sizes. The latter does seem more likely to me, however.)
*Refinement is a matter of imposing universal compression on your ki, pushing it into a smaller space without letting it link up like normal. I suspect the stealth was a happy side effect of wanting the ki compressed without changing its' self-repulsion factor, so it would be a technique Jaffur could apply to everything.
*Overdrive is a matter of loosening ki, making it flow faster. This also, quite incidentally, lets it exist at higher pressures without condensing into larger motes.
*Ki radiation is actually instantaneous, making 'velocity' senses impossible, and historically making saturation senses unnecessary, since metadata like mote size and originating-creature-or-ki-construct were enough for all purposes.
 
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I was referring to this, actually:

Since she can donate ki to him without manifesting, it seems an obvious thing to have tried here. I know it wasn't on the plan, but a couple seconds worth of manifestation time - beginning when she realized it might be a good test, which is to say, after the initial test battery was done - seems too trivial to demand another AP investment.

Fair enough. Can this part count as omake-type fanwork, though?
Things I'm fairly sure of:
*Ki 'clumps' when collected coherently, such as in someone's body. There is a standard level of clumping for any given concentration of ki. 'Larger' clumps travel further before they stop being detectable. (I'm going to refer to clumps as 'motes' from now on, on aesthetic grounds.)
*Despite using particle terms, I'm not certain ki is made of particles. It may be made of fields. (Not being made of particles does not necissitate infinite divisibility, although it may imply infinite granularity above minimum size.)
*Conventional power evaluation is based on 'mote size'. Actual energy output is probably a function of ki-per-volume-per-second.
*Ki is inflected, carrying information related to the originator - such as emotional state and identity - along with physical characteristics like heat and elasticity. Ki control can manipulate some or all of these characteristics.
*Some ki characteristics can prevent compressed motes from condensing; selfhood structures within a Genki Dama are one of these, Overdrive and Refinement mechanics are another.
*Ki is usually not generated as fast as the user can spend it. Instead, a large fraction of a person's supply is stored somehow. Dazarel's feeding technique increases his tank size disproportionally to his regen rate and maximum throughput.
*Since power level is historically reliable, size of ki-mote has traditionally scaled with every nonmechanical method of increasing available force. The exceptions must thus be extremely unusual somehow.
*Non-weaponized ki radiation is basically never harmful, at least at known saturation levels. The simple explanation is that it's just not harmful, period. The complicated alternative is that how much ki gets released doesn't really change, how far away it stays coherent/moving/recognizable does, and the maximum detectable range given nondecaying coherence has never been found. (And indeed may be longer than the longest axis of the universe.)
*Oozaru's exceptional strength and durability is basically a factor of constant x1.5 Overdrive, their storage tank is at least that much bigger to compensate, and their base speed is actually one-third rather than one-half.

Suspicions:
*'Tank size' is fairly consistent. 'Nozzle size' is extremely consistent. (I'm not sure if it's directly proportional to body mass, or if body enhancement just gets more efficient at larger sizes. The latter does seem more likely to me, however.)
*Refinement is a matter of imposing universal compression on your ki, pushing it into a smaller space without letting it link up like normal. I suspect the stealth was a happy side effect of wanting the ki compressed without changing its' self-repulsion factor, so it would be a technique Jaffur could apply to everything.
*Overdrive is a matter of loosening ki, making it flow faster. This also, quite incidentally, lets it exist at higher pressures without condensing into larger motes.
*Ki radiation is actually instantaneous, making 'velocity' senses impossible, and historically making saturation senses unnecessary, since metadata like mote size and originating-creature-or-ki-construct were enough for all purposes.
Ah. No, she did not get that far. Forming the Genki Dama at all is quite the process for her, at the moment. Not tons of time for it.

And no, that's not an omake.
 
The problem with that approach is that it gates all the interesting research behind years of in-game - and, importantly, out-of-game - investment. Also, we're axiomatically not allowed to get more than two tricks that way, although we might be able to loophole a little if we can find research partners at near-Elite level to fill their Talent slots for us.
two tricks per skill, yeah.



And that's kind of the point. There's an hard limit to how many world-shattering discoveries a single person can make, no matter how talented, also after centuries of exile history + earth history + some teachings from the gods+ what random things aliens have picked up, all the low-hanging fruits have already been taken, so the truly revolutionary discoveries take a lot of time, experimentation and talent. And also luck.

It's obviously much easier to learn what other people discovered than coming up with your own revolutionary techniques after all.

Even in Dragonball's manga/anime it worked like that, with each character only making a relatively limited amounts of TRUE progress on the state of the art, but learning from each other and their betters to continue to improve.

You learn from your masters/predecessors, you improve upon what you learned and maybe exchange some of these improvements with your peers, then you pass the torch to the next generation. That's how progress works, and it seems to work here as well more or less.
 
And that's kind of the point. There's an hard limit to how many world-shattering discoveries a single person can make, no matter how talented, also after centuries of exile history + earth history + some teachings from the gods+ what random things aliens have picked up, all the low-hanging fruits have already been taken, so the truly revolutionary discoveries take a lot of time, experimentation and talent. And also luck.
Except... we have an entire new field to explore. Refinement and Overdrive are unprecedented. So, for that matter, is Machine Sense. The fact that everyone' assumptions have recently been proven wrong, and we're in on the ground floor of a paradigm shift, means we should be able to find relatively-low-hanging fruit just from extrapolating the recent revolutionary tricks out a bit.
Also, having to put in multiple years of investment, IC and OOC, to explore a small fraction of the actually-not-very-long research list, sounds deeply unfun. Why advocate for it?
 
Except... we have an entire new field to explore. Refinement and Overdrive are unprecedented. So, for that matter, is Machine Sense. The fact that everyone' assumptions have recently been proven wrong, and we're in on the ground floor of a paradigm shift, means we should be able to find relatively-low-hanging fruit just from extrapolating the recent revolutionary tricks out a bit.
Also, having to put in multiple years of investment, IC and OOC, to explore a small fraction of the actually-not-very-long research list, sounds deeply unfun. Why advocate for it?
Refinement and Overdrive are unprecedented, sure. We're still complete novices at it though, and even their creators haven't really developed it yet.

AND we get the same 2 elite talents for those skills we get for everything else. That's not little, especially because we're still pretty far from bringing them at exceptional.

Also I'm not really advocating for it, it's simpler than that: Poptart decided to go with this system and this limitation. I'm fine with it, and I'd rather argue about how to profit while staying inside the boundary of the rules than arguing about how the system could be better.

Kakara is a genious, but she's still just one person. She can't do everything herself, so I'm fine leaving other discoveries to other Characters. Maya, Jaffur, Jaron, Tabe, Bassoon, Raditz maybe...

Basically you're focusing on the powers, but while those are interesting I'm actually more interested in the story and the characters, at least in this particular quest.

p.s. I am admittedly very curious about how God Ki works, so it's not that I don't CARE about powers and power system, but it's not the main element here in my opinion
 
Also, having to put in multiple years of investment, IC and OOC, to explore a small fraction of the actually-not-very-long research list, sounds deeply unfun. Why advocate for it?

While I'm not the one who you were addressing here, I'd like to note by way of example that I actually think that sounds much more fun than the alternative - victories requiring substantial effort to obtain makes them feel more earned, and having research return high-impact results too quickly would push the quest towards optimizing into the (IMO) dreadfully dull result of "Kakara just researches Ki forever."
 
On my side of things, "Kakara researches Ki forever" sounds like a Bad End to me, and if the narrative starts focusing on stuff like that then it'd have become a write-off to me.
 
Also I'm not really advocating for it, it's simpler than that: Poptart decided to go with this system and this limitation. I'm fine with it, and I'd rather argue about how to profit while staying inside the boundary of the rules than arguing about how the system could be better.
I'm not entirely clear on their headspace in regards to that limitation. My guess is 'Elite Talents represent breaking one of the standard limits in a useful way, ergo it's a thing to be restricted heavily, ergo [implementation]'. Techniques are something different, and can be invented separately.
While I'm not the one who you were addressing here, I'd like to note by way of example that I actually think that sounds much more fun than the alternative - victories requiring substantial effort to obtain makes them feel more earned, and having research return high-impact results too quickly would push the quest towards optimizing into the (IMO) dreadfully dull result of "Kakara just researches Ki forever."
Powerup speed is a different axis, and one I'm reasonably satisfied with. What I want to go quickly is getting to see what things do.
EDIT: Actually, part of that is because I don't want it to take too much screentime.
 
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Refinement and Overdrive are unprecedented, sure. We're still complete novices at it though, and even their creators haven't really developed it yet.

AND we get the same 2 elite talents for those skills we get for everything else. That's not little, especially because we're still pretty far from bringing them at exceptional.

Also I'm not really advocating for it, it's simpler than that: Poptart decided to go with this system and this limitation. I'm fine with it, and I'd rather argue about how to profit while staying inside the boundary of the rules than arguing about how the system could be better.

Kakara is a genious, but she's still just one person. She can't do everything herself, so I'm fine leaving other discoveries to other Characters. Maya, Jaffur, Jaron, Tabe, Bassoon, Raditz maybe...

Basically you're focusing on the powers, but while those are interesting I'm actually more interested in the story and the characters, at least in this particular quest.

p.s. I am admittedly very curious about how God Ki works, so it's not that I don't CARE about powers and power system, but it's not the main element here in my opinion
I feel like the answer to that item is likely to end up being "Very well and very godly, thank you for asking".
(I'm sure there's a bit more to it than that, but honestly after a certain point I don't think this Quest really can, or should, delve too deeply into the Ki equivalent of Quantum Mechanics or Elementary Particles. I care more about story, character development, cool transformations and beam attacks, etc.)
 
I feel like the answer to that item is likely to end up being "Very well and very godly, thank you for asking".
(I'm sure there's a bit more to it than that, but honestly after a certain point I don't think this Quest really can, or should, delve too deeply into the Ki equivalent of Quantum Mechanics or Elementary Particles. I care more about story, character development, cool transformations and beam attacks, etc.)
..I wouldn't be surprised by that answer, but I mostly meant how it compares to mortal ki in power level terms. After all from the rp we basically know every pl up to ssj3, but very little about the god ki itself. Is it a multiplier? does it add to it, or substitute it? does it remove hard caps? Things like these.
 
Powerup speed is a different axis, and one I'm reasonably satisfied with. What I want to go quickly is getting to see what things do.
EDIT: Actually, part of that is because I don't want it to take too much screentime.

...except those aren't actually different axes. Like, you get that even if you're personally only in it for satisfying curiosity, better understanding of these techniques/more fine control over them translates pretty directly to more effective power, yes?
 
...except those aren't actually different axes. Like, you get that even if you're personally only in it for satisfying curiosity, better understanding of these techniques/more fine control over them translates pretty directly to more effective power, yes?
More effective power, yes, but not so much faster than training already-available skills that it should cause a serious problem. That's my hope, anyway.
 
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(I'm sure there's a bit more to it than that, but honestly after a certain point I don't think this Quest really can, or should, delve too deeply into the Ki equivalent of Quantum Mechanics or Elementary Particles. I care more about story, character development, cool transformations and beam attacks, etc.)
Except the protagonist is a Ki genius, especially in terms of understanding as opposed to application, and thus leave me with a bit of a, well, nerd impression. A story about someone on an adventure/quest, who starts off pathetic, in an environment of constant combat, would naturally tend determinedly towards story, character building, and special-effects. A story about someone with a once-in-a-century ability to research ki, who is somewhat of a pacifist amidst a culture of combat-idealists? It feels like it should have very different focus points. More combat outcomes than methods for the actual battles, largely because politics is a central theme, while they dedicate a large amount of time and thought towards research.

A quest in which manipulating the ki equivalent of quantum mechanics or elementary particles is a component, really should dwell upon the topic enough for the players to get a feel for it. This seems, to me, to be such a quest, although I am very much not an authority upon the topic.
 
Except the protagonist is a Ki genius, especially in terms of understanding as opposed to application, and thus leave me with a bit of a, well, nerd impression. A story about someone on an adventure/quest, who starts off pathetic, in an environment of constant combat, would naturally tend determinedly towards story, character building, and special-effects. A story about someone with a once-in-a-century ability to research ki, who is somewhat of a pacifist amidst a culture of combat-idealists? It feels like it should have very different focus points. More combat outcomes than methods for the actual battles, largely because politics is a central theme, while they dedicate a large amount of time and thought towards research.

A quest in which manipulating the ki equivalent of quantum mechanics or elementary particles is a component, really should dwell upon the topic enough for the players to get a feel for it. This seems, to me, to be such a quest, although I am very much not an authority upon the topic.
No.

I am vastly disinterested in the idea of Kakara the Theoretical Ki Physics Professor. While ki may be a subject for scientific study, Kakara's first and primary understanding of it is spiritual, as in the show.

We will approach it with that in mind.
 
No.

I am vastly disinterested in the idea of Kakara the Theoretical Ki Physics Professor. While ki may be a subject for scientific study, Kakara's first and primary understanding of it is spiritual, as in the show.

We will approach it with that in mind.
also while the science of Ki can be interesting, is not necessarily that useful for her, in the same way that knowing the precise way your muscles act is not necessary to use them to run.

It might have been maybe more interesting it we took engineering from the beginning, and tried to sort of integrate ki and technology, but we didn't, and it's definitely not a good moment to consider it anyway. We probably won't ever really have a chance, or an interest, in trying that.
 
Well, guys it took me quite a lot of time and but I have finally finished reading the quest... It was a pretty awesome trip @PoptartProdigy

Besides that, when reading the chapter with Yemma´s I had an idea for a wish for Porunga that could help us to get us to heaven really quickly, cross hell quite safely, and is quite practical for other purposes...

What if we asked Porunga to give Katara´s Shade the capability to make herself completely undetectable at will? Like Meleoron´s Perfect Plan from HXH... I mean we would still be outmatched by lots of things down there but if they can´t perceive Katara´s existence they won´t hunt her down or attack her, so as long as we don´t go close to anyone throwing AOE attacks we should have a safe journey.

I know that there are ideas to use the wish for Ki Stealth, but there are also limitations to Porunga´s wish Granting capabilities, so I think that limiting that indetectabilty to our shade form seems reasonably easier to achieve since in that state she is quite similar to a ghost...

Do any of you have any thoughts about my idea?
 
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Well, guys it took me quite a lot of time and but I have finally finished reading the quest... It was a pretty awesome trip @PoptartProdigy

Besides that, when reading the chapter with Yemma´s I had an idea for a wish for Porunga that could help us to get us to heaven really quickly, cross hell quite safely, and is quite practical for other purposes...

What if we asked Porunga to give Katara´s Shade the capability to make herself completely undetectable at will? Like Meleoron´s Perfect Plan from HXH... I mean we would still be outmatched by lots of things down there but if they can´t perceive Katara´s existence they won´t hunt her down or attack her, so as long as we don´t go close to anyone throwing AOE attacks we should have a safe journey.

I know that there are ideas to use the wish for Ki Stealth, but there are also limitations to Porunga´s wish Granting capabilities, so I think that limiting that indetectabilty to our shade form seems reasonably easier to achieve...

Do any of you have any thoughts about my idea?
Honestly I like it. Though I ought to review the mechanics keeping Kakara from visiting heaven.
 
Do any of you have any thoughts about my idea?
valid in principle, but likely to come with some downside, just like our last two wishes came with downside of Perika being a newborn fullbloded saiyan (when saiyans are Enemy-magnet, and the namekians hoped for someone both stronger and... not just created for that), and of us having very limited manifestation time.

I suspect such an ability would have a time limit, or maybe leave us vulnerable (kinda like hiding one's power level leaves you much more fragile than you'd be at full power) to area of effect attacks. Or maybe while we can't be detected we ALSO can't detect.

Not saying it can't work by the way, just to keep your hopes down to not get disappointed later on.

Personally I'm still wishing (as has been talked about a bit in thread) for a portable Time Chamber with no use restrictions (or as close to that as Porunga can get), as it would give us a way to train at full power and unlock new transformations without being sensed by the Enemy, and by controlling it we would control who on Garenhuld is allowed to train and try for higher transformations (there was some talk about possibly making some changes to the ssj limit on Garenhuld when we go back, but that's pretty far away anyway).

There has been some talk of wishing for some anti-magic ability, or for Dandeer's spells to fail, or even to resurrect/free/bring to us Yammar/Jaffur/Maya.

Ki stealth was also on that list, which is something close to what you want.

there were a few more wishes proposed, but I can't remember them right now.
Honestly I like it. Though I ought to review the mechanics keeping Kakara from visiting heaven.

short version is that the barrier on Heaven stops us from staying there more than a couple of minutes at once or so. If we want to go there to STAY for longer... we need to go through hell.

Bad News: Hell is dangerous

Good News: We're making progress in our ability to deal with it. Perfect Multiform would help, as would ssj2 if we somehow manage to achieve it before an attempt. Spirit Saiyan with us taking the Namekian's powers might also give us a decent boost, though it would only last a few minutes, and we can also use our visions to try and predict just how long it would take and how dangerous it should be.
 
Well, guys it took me quite a lot of time and but I have finally finished reading the quest... It was a pretty awesome trip @PoptartProdigy

Besides that, when reading the chapter with Yemma´s I had an idea for a wish for Porunga that could help us to get us to heaven really quickly, cross hell quite safely, and is quite practical for other purposes...

What if we asked Porunga to give Katara´s Shade the capability to make herself completely undetectable at will? Like Meleoron´s Perfect Plan from HXH... I mean we would still be outmatched by lots of things down there but if they can´t perceive Katara´s existence they won´t hunt her down or attack her, so as long as we don´t go close to anyone throwing AOE attacks we should have a safe journey.

I know that there are ideas to use the wish for Ki Stealth, but there are also limitations to Porunga´s wish Granting capabilities, so I think that limiting that indetectabilty to our shade form seems reasonably easier to achieve since in that state she is quite similar to a ghost...

Do any of you have any thoughts about my idea?
It's a thought. And, since we've seen the consequences of wishing blindly, I think people's aversion to asking questions about what's possible is ridiculous.
So! Things to maybe wish for:
*Stealth. (Psionic gift? That would probably be easiest, I expect...)
*Perfect ki control. (I don't know if this is possible, but if it is, it might solve our ki stealth problem and massively increase our effective power. Like, probably we could combine the principles behind Overdrive and Refinement and Ki Supression, get rid of our power signature, and still be hitting harder than our expressable maximum. My worry here is that it'd invalidate too much of the skill system - but on the other hand, Poptart doesn't like writing about training, so perhaps 'instantly complete the ki-manipulation aspects of training' would actually be a feature to them.)
*The power to induce more psionic/magical/otherwise-mutant gifts, as appropriate to the situation. We are probably in the wrong genre for this. Maybe if it was a Cell-like copy ability, though?
*Some kind of hyper-optimized host body, like Buu with an Infinite Energy Reactor, but inert (no consciousness) unless piloted by a good spirit. (Hey, maybe we could use the mass-absorption power as an impromptu Spirit Saiyan lookalike - the inner world leaves the inhabitants conscious, but uses their ki to power the body? Combat and evacuation plan, combined!)

A Buu/Spirit-Saiyan-inspired fusion spaceship would be really cool, now that I think of it. There may not be enough Namekians to beat Frigid with it, but it should easily beat Haila.

I wonder if we could ask for all the Saiyans who weren't extremely evil to be transported to a safer place than Garenhuld? Would it be worth it?
 
It's a thought. And, since we've seen the consequences of wishing blindly, I think people's aversion to asking questions about what's possible is ridiculous.
So! Things to maybe wish for:
*Stealth. (Psionic gift? That would probably be easiest, I expect...)
*Perfect ki control. (I don't know if this is possible, but if it is, it might solve our ki stealth problem and massively increase our effective power. Like, probably we could combine the principles behind Overdrive and Refinement and Ki Supression, get rid of our power signature, and still be hitting harder than our expressable maximum. My worry here is that it'd invalidate too much of the skill system - but on the other hand, Poptart doesn't like writing about training, so perhaps 'instantly complete the ki-manipulation aspects of training' would actually be a feature to them.)
*The power to induce more psionic/magical/otherwise-mutant gifts, as appropriate to the situation. We are probably in the wrong genre for this. Maybe if it was a Cell-like copy ability, though?
*Some kind of hyper-optimized host body, like Buu with an Infinite Energy Reactor, but inert (no consciousness) unless piloted by a good spirit. (Hey, maybe we could use the mass-absorption power as an impromptu Spirit Saiyan lookalike - the inner world leaves the inhabitants conscious, but uses their ki to power the body? Combat and evacuation plan, combined!)

A Buu/Spirit-Saiyan-inspired fusion spaceship would be really cool, now that I think of it. There may not be enough Namekians to beat Frigid with it, but it should easily beat Haila.

I wonder if we could ask for all the Saiyans who weren't extremely evil to be transported to a safer place than Garenhuld? Would it be worth it?
Where do you think would be safer than Garenhuld? It has a lot going for it as a location of refuge. Unless you mean safety from Dandeer in which case yeah but tbh we might be able to wish er around directly, her power level is pretty low.
 
There is something that I have been mildly interested in for quite a bit of time now and I figured, why not just go ahead and ask?

To wit, back in Grenhuld, with the "new reveals" and everything, are the exiles having to coopt the native martial artists, magicians, "psychics" and other groups of people who finally see signs of the "real deal" here? I am not sure to what degree their fear of the unknown has stifled Grenhould culture, but surely there are scammers peddling magical powers in their society to some degree, right?
 
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