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Dragon Ball: After the End

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[X] Impose order, so that things calm down, slow down, and give you time to think.
-[X]Turn Super Saiyan to attract their attention
-[X]Ask them if they have any specific concerns that they would like the nobility to look into and address, as there is representatives from both major clans including a former and current Leaders/Regents
No. of votes: 1
Sucal

[x] Go Super Saiyan
-[x] Having gotten their attention, say the following: You are acting less mature than schoolchildren! There will be order for a decision as important as this or no decision can properly be made. Pause for breath. I am not a member of the Ancestor Cult, and so I do not feel and can properly express an opinion on how it should organize itself. However, for so important a decision as this I feel it should be made with a full knowledge of the relevant facts. Fenella, I hope you will forgive me, but they must know that your uncle the High Priest is still taking orders from the Head of House Peat.
-[x] Flare power to silence the resulting furor, SILENCE! THERE WILL BE ORDER! Now, however this sort of decision making is supposed to be done, do it that way instead of shouting at each other like barbarians!
No. of votes: 1
yert

[X] Watch and wait.
No. of votes: 2
SMuha, Bommelom

[X] Blame Ms. Vegeta for everything.
No. of votes: 1
anailater

[X] Fly up above Celeran and power up to maximum to attract everyone's attention, but don't go Super Saiyan.
-[X] Once you have it, power down and calmly state that if they're worried about falling apart without a leader, you are willing moderate this Council and enforce order.
-[X] If people start getting rowdy and you can't calm them down, start ejecting them with Instant Transmission, or throwing them out, whichever is faster.
No. of votes: 1
Gore17

[X] Plan Demigoddess
-[X] Oppose the motion
-[X] Shut up the screams by turning super saiyan then moving to the stage to stand next to Celeran.
-[X] Adress the problem: half of our society is used to autority figures mediating more closely in their affairs and the resulting unrest is affecting the whole. It is your duty to take a more active role in your society to help with this and the cult is an important part of it.
-[X] Offer to mediate until the current crisis is resolved. You are still learning but with advice from your elders (implying grandma and Celeran though not outright mentioning them) you will get through this situation, as saiyans always have.
-[X] Leverage your position as the gold and that it happened in these times, as well as the feeling you had regarding training Oozaru. Leave open to interpretation the possibility of divine inspiration.
-[X] Act confident, with autority. Give the Vegetans something familiar to latch into.
-[X] Move on the discussion to the religious matters they are here to discuss. Act as observer and defeer to those who know more of the subject.
No. of votes: 3
Bakkasama, Quest, KaintukeeBob

[X] Plan Demigoddess
-[X] Oppose the motion
-[X] Shut up the screams by turning super saiyan then moving to the stage to stand next to Celeran.
-[X] Adress the problem: half of our society is used to autority figures mediating more closely in their affairs and the resulting unrest is affecting the whole. It is your duty to take a more active role in your society to help with this and the cult is an important part of it.
-[X] Offer to mediate until the current crisis is resolved. You are still learning but with advice from your elders (implying grandma and Celeran though not outright mentioning them) you will get through this situation, as saiyans always have.
-[X] Leverage your position as the gold and that it happened in these times, as well as the feeling you had regarding training Oozaru. Leave open to interpretation the possibility of divine inspiration.
-[X] Act confident, with autority. Give the Vegetans something familiar to latch into.
-[X] Move on the discussion to the religious matters they are here to discuss. Act as observer and defer to those who know more of the subject.
No. of votes: 3
KnightDisciple, Terrabrand, pianoman

[X] Plan Demigoddess
-[X] Oppose the motion
-[X] Shut up the screams by turning Super Saiyan and moving to the stage to stand next to Celeran.
-[X] Adress the problem: half of our society is used to autority figures mediating more closely in their affairs and the resulting unrest is affecting the whole. It is your duty to take a more active role in your society to help with this and the cult is an important part of it.
-[X] Offer to mediate until the current crisis is resolved. You are still learning but with advice from your elders (implying Grandma and Celeran though not outright mentioning them) you will get through this situation, as Saiyans always have.
-[X] Leverage your position as The Gold and that it happened in these times, as well as the feeling you had regarding training Oozaru. Leave open to interpretation the possibility of divine inspiration.
-[X] Act confident, with authority. Give the Vegetans something familiar to latch into.
-[X] Move on the discussion to the religious matters they are here to discuss. Act as observer and defer to those who know more of the subject.
No. of votes: 1
Rmnimoc

[X] Plan Demigoddess
No. of votes: 3
Kairos123, Karnax626, Nathaniel Wolff

[X] Use the public cookie
No. of votes: 1
Andres110

[x] Plan Demigoddess
-[x] Use the Public Cookie
No. of votes: 1
Aranfan

Plan Demigoddess is presently well in the lead, but again, there's still some ongoing debate. Furthermore...didn't I see a vote for blackmailing Celeran into opposing the motion outright at some point? Is my tally program glitching?
 
As I understand it, now that the public cookie has been nominated for use, it will be used (assuming Plan Demigoddess wins) unless there is dissent?

In either case, I support the use of the public cookie to restore order and sanity.

Thus, I will update my vote to:

[x] Plan Demigoddess
-[x] Use the Public Cookie
 
I wonder what Beerus is doing right now...

Probably dicking about, being an asshole to all the mortals and ignoring all of those star systems with no life in them.
 
Bakkasama said:
From the common saiyan's point of view, there is no action being taken and feel their lords have abandoned them in the current crisis.
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It's not just the Vegetans who feel this way though. The Gokun strongly dislike the Sealing and the seeming abandonment of the Lords as well, it's just that Vegetans are more upset about it.
Bakkasama said:
-[X] Adress the problem: half of our society is used to autority figures mediating more closely in their affairs and the resulting unrest is affecting the whole. It is your duty to take a more active role in your society to help with this and the cult is an important part of it.
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This bit right here, it says "The problem is the Sealing combined with the Vegetans" when it should be "The problem is the Sealing combined with the lack of action of the Lords". The other sentence is a good follow-up to what should be said, it's just that the first sentence is taking the place of what should be said.

Change the first sentence (the bolded sentence) to "Address the problem: The Sealing is causing deep political and religious issues and the high nobility have failed to step in and act as leaders, taking a hands-off approach."
 
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How about "the nobility's hands-off aproach is causing unrest" without mentioning the sealing? Would that work for you?
 
Alright then. Edited my post.

Bakkasama said:
Edit: Slight modification to the wording to appease those who worried over it. Instead of "Adress the problema: half of our society is used to autority figures mediating more closely in their affairs and the resulting unrest is affecting the whole. It is your duty to take a more active role in your society to help with this and the cult is an important part of it." I am going with: "Adress the problem: Nobility's hands-off approach is causing unrest. It is your duty to take a more active role in your society to help with this and the cult is an important part of it"

This way there is no misunderstanding and we don't imply it is the Vegetans alone that are worried over the Sealing and regency.

[X] Plan Demigoddess
-[X] Oppose the motion
-[X] Shut up the screams by turning super saiyan then moving to the stage to stand next to Celeran.
-[X] Adress the problem: Nobility's hands-off approach is causing unrest. It is your duty to take a more active role in your society to help with this and the cult is an important part of it.
-[X] Offer to mediate until the current crisis is resolved. You are still learning but with advice from your elders (implying grandma and Celeran though not outright mentioning them) you will get through this situation, as saiyans always have.
-[X] Leverage your position as the gold and that it happened in these times, as well as the feeling you had regarding training Oozaru. Leave open to interpretation the possibility of divine inspiration.
-[X] Act confident, with autority. Give the Vegetans something familiar to latch into.
-[X] Move on the discussion to the religious matters they are here to discuss. Act as observer and defeer to those who know more of the subject.

This should be vague enough. Not really a planned speech, adresses the issue, is tempting enough that Celeran might see advantage in supporting us, leaves open the possibility of both taking further control as well as just mediating (though it does promises further involvement in saiyan society next year), it doesn't reveal the Peat thing without proof but makes it so Celeran thinks we didn't catch him so he lowers his guard, subtly undermines Dandeer so we might get a bonus, lets the cultists form a loyalty to us without outright stating we are a divine figure so that we can have plausible deniability with the non religious clans, finally gives us a reason to interact with clan Vegeta and counters the fact we are a child with the awe they feel for us and the fact we are one further increases how impressive our accomplishments and let us throw a bone to other factions of the church by opening the chance for advisors.
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I don't think @PoptartProdigy would have made an issue with the prior wording but if this calms you down (I think there was a better way to say that but I am drawing a blank. Puts you at ease? Something like that?) then it is not a big issue to change it.
 
Bakkasama said:
Alright then. Edited my post.



I don't think @PoptartProdigy would have made an issue with the prior wording but if this calms you down (I think there was a better way to say that but I am drawing a blank. Puts you at ease? Something like that?) then it is not a big issue to change it.
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You're the frontrunner, so reference the count earlier on and tag everybody who voted so that they see the change.
 
Become max power.
Turn back to normal and hide power level.
Talk quietly. Calm and cold and determined.
"Jaffur was my friend before being sealed. I understand the pain and fear that makes enemies of friends and family. Is that what we're doing now? I don't care about that. I want to help my friend. They told me the seal was needed because Jaffur and Vegeta were sick. I want things like this to not be needed. I want my friend back. You want Vegeta back. We want them not sick. How do we get there? I'm nine. I still need help with this."

This is not me voting. It is an idea I had maybe and want to know if you guys think is stupid or good. I want to de-escalate without fighting or siding or giving secrets. Or being a philosophy dissertation voiced by a small child.
 
Aranfan said:
Berra's reputation sheet implies otherwise.
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What we heard in the last update implies that Goku is upset as wel. A majority of Saiyans are in support of giving Celeran power, but even if every single Vegetan at the event was pro-power (which I strongly suspect isn't the case), that would merely result in only half the Saiyans there being in support, not a majority. Gokun are also in support of the proposal - they don't like how the situation has been handled either.

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[X] Plan Demigoddess
 
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Bakkasama said:
While we don't want to discuss the sealing, taking the mediator position here will allow us to calm them down since, while we don't have the autority to countermand Berra, this at least gives them a chance to present their opinion to someone who can bring it to him. It also gives them someone to decide when someone is out of place in the discussion and make sure it happens in an orderly manner and to put the foot down as to where a matter of the faith ends and of state begins; example: they can decide that what Dandeer did is heresy and that she is no longer welcome in the cult as well as shunn her from its functions but they can't punish her as we would a crime.
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Are we offering to mediate for this conference or until Jaffur's been unsealed?

rkyeun said:
This is not me voting. It is an idea I had maybe and want to know if you guys think is stupid or good. I want to de-escalate without fighting or siding or giving secrets. Or being a philosophy dissertation voiced by a small child.
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This would reveal our plans of unsealing Jaffur to Dandeer, which would make it much harder for us to again access to him.
 
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Andres110 said:
It seems to be just for this conference but with a possibility of mediating afterwards. Nothing set in stone so we can back out or dive in as we want to.
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If we say we'll be a permanent mediator, then we can't back out without majorly losing face and significantly damaging our reputation amongst the cultists/faithful.
 
@Quest , @KaintukeeBob @KnightDisciple @Terrabrand @pianoman @Rmnimoc @Kairos123 @Karnax626 @Nathaniel Wolff @Aranfan @dunk1010

Slight modification to the wording of my vote because of @Andres110 concerns. I was adviced I should tagg you in case there were any objections.

Change said:
Edit: Slight modification to the wording to appease those who worried over it. Instead of "Adress the problema: half of our society is used to autority figures mediating more closely in their affairs and the resulting unrest is affecting the whole. It is your duty to take a more active role in your society to help with this and the cult is an important part of it." I am going with: "Adress the problem: Nobility's hands-off approach is causing unrest. It is your duty to take a more active role in your society to help with this and the cult is an important part of it"

This way there is no misunderstanding and we don't imply it is the Vegetans alone that are worried over the Sealing and regency.

[X] Plan Demigoddess
-[X] Oppose the motion
-[X] Shut up the screams by turning super saiyan then moving to the stage to stand next to Celeran.
-[X] Adress the problem: Nobility's hands-off approach is causing unrest. It is your duty to take a more active role in your society to help with this and the cult is an important part of it.
-[X] Offer to mediate until the current crisis is resolved. You are still learning but with advice from your elders (implying grandma and Celeran though not outright mentioning them) you will get through this situation, as saiyans always have.
-[X] Leverage your position as the gold and that it happened in these times, as well as the feeling you had regarding training Oozaru. Leave open to interpretation the possibility of divine inspiration.
-[X] Act confident, with autority. Give the Vegetans something familiar to latch into.
-[X] Move on the discussion to the religious matters they are here to discuss. Act as observer and defeer to those who know more of the subject.

This should be vague enough. Not really a planned speech, adresses the issue, is tempting enough that Celeran might see advantage in supporting us, leaves open the possibility of both taking further control as well as just mediating (though it does promises further involvement in saiyan society next year), it doesn't reveal the Peat thing without proof but makes it so Celeran thinks we didn't catch him so he lowers his guard, subtly undermines Dandeer so we might get a bonus, lets the cultists form a loyalty to us without outright stating we are a divine figure so that we can have plausible deniability with the non religious clans, finally gives us a reason to interact with clan Vegeta and counters the fact we are a child with the awe they feel for us and the fact we are one further increases how impressive our accomplishments and let us throw a bone to other factions of the church by opening the chance for advisors.
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Bommelom said:
Are we offering to mediate for this conference or until Jaffur's been unsealed?

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It is left intentionally vague.

CHANGE OF SUBJECT! Just checked the charácter sheet. Berra is master diplomancer, best user of Goku style since the exile and best Lord of Goku ever. Jaffur was considered the most naturally talented saiyan warrior since the exile and MAYBE before it. Kakara is the strongest since the exhile and first Seer Scion. Which means this is one of most exceptional group of Lords and Scions, except for Vegeta Vegeta, who was a scrub.

Also, apparently Jaron doesn't blink. It also seems like he is hiding something, which is hilarious and I have my fingers crossed for child superhero who thinks is the only one with powers.
 
Bakkasama said:
@Quest , @KaintukeeBob @KnightDisciple @Terrabrand @pianoman @Rmnimoc @Kairos123 @Karnax626 @Nathaniel Wolff @Aranfan @dunk1010

Slight modification to the wording of my vote because of @Andres110 concerns. I was adviced I should tagg you in case there were any objections.






It is left intentionally vague.

CHANGE OF SUBJECT! Just checked the charácter sheet. Berra is master diplomancer, best user of Goku style since the exile and best Lord of Goku ever. Jaffur was considered the most naturally talented saiyan warrior since the exile and MAYBE before it. Kakara is the strongest since the exhile and first Seer Scion. Which means this is one of most exceptional group of Lords and Scions, except for Vegeta Vegeta, who was a scrub.

Also, apparently Jaron doesn't blink. It also seems like he is hiding something, which is hilarious and I have my fingers crossed for child superhero who thinks is the only one with powers.
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I'm totally fine with the change, no objections on my part
 
Bakkasama said:
@Quest , @KaintukeeBob @KnightDisciple @Terrabrand @pianoman @Rmnimoc @Kairos123 @Karnax626 @Nathaniel Wolff @Aranfan @dunk1010

Slight modification to the wording of my vote because of @Andres110 concerns. I was adviced I should tagg you in case there were any objections.






It is left intentionally vague.

CHANGE OF SUBJECT! Just checked the charácter sheet. Berra is master diplomancer, best user of Goku style since the exile and best Lord of Goku ever. Jaffur was considered the most naturally talented saiyan warrior since the exile and MAYBE before it. Kakara is the strongest since the exhile and first Seer Scion. Which means this is one of most exceptional group of Lords and Scions, except for Vegeta Vegeta, who was a scrub.

Also, apparently Jaron doesn't blink. It also seems like he is hiding something, which is hilarious and I have my fingers crossed for child superhero who thinks is the only one with powers.
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That seems good for the most part. I'm trying to think of a way to leverage our Mysterious or Oddball traits, but I can't think of one that would be helpful. :)
 
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