- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Because he knows that you can transform and trivialize that, and you humble bragged about powering a several hundred billion power level seal.
Skills do not require combat time to grind.
Dragon Ball: After the End
WorthyAlchemist?
100% certifiably without-a-doubt mediocre
- Location
- That place...yeah that one
[X] Explain your visions relating to New Namek, in case he has information that lets him interpret them differently.
- Location
- Somewhere I shouldn't be
[X] Explain everything, no matter how trivial. Something of this gravity...unsettles...you. You want him to give you a full second opinion. Anything could be related.
Let's go full disclosure.
Let's go full disclosure.
[X] Explain everything, no matter how trivial. Something of this gravity...unsettles...you. You want him to give you a full second opinion. Anything could be related.
We Saw Kakara sticking around with Bassoon a year in the future, so that should pretty much confirm he is trustworthy.
We Saw Kakara sticking around with Bassoon a year in the future, so that should pretty much confirm he is trustworthy.
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
[X] Explain everything, no matter how trivial. Something of this gravity...unsettles...you. You want him to give you a full second opinion. Anything could be related.
[X] Explain everything, no matter how trivial. Something of this gravity...unsettles...you. You want him to give you a full second opinion. Anything could be related.
CaesriusPolybius
Worldgate Mechanic
- Location
- United States. Ish.
[X] Explain everything, no matter how trivial. Something of this gravity...unsettles...you. You want him to give you a full second opinion. Anything could be related.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
It's worth checking what they tried because those things are probably dead ends. We need as many tricks as we can get, and I imagine they investigated quite a few.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
The thing is, we don't have infinity time, and since nothing they tried worked, we probably can't force it to work. We already have more ideas for how to increase our power and effectiveness than we've had time to implement. So unless we have some specific idea of how to pursue a 'killer app' like divine ki or some such, we should probably concentrate on continuing to follow up on known avenues of investigation. Like, say, Perfect Multiform.
- Location
- Scotland
I do think that we need to focus on things we know as well as branching out so we can grow beyond what is known. Like we do know that what is know is not good enough so trying new things or trying a new spin on old things might be good(though Looking at what the talt tried so either pick out if any have potential to work but need more work or better yet knowing that right these things here don't work so I don't need to try them myself to find that out).
Though having a means to increase how much time we have would be very useful.
Sadly I doubt we will be lucky enough to be able to use the wish granting dragon.
Also broly super trailer 3 is out and all of the hype is here.
Though having a means to increase how much time we have would be very useful.
Sadly I doubt we will be lucky enough to be able to use the wish granting dragon.
Also broly super trailer 3 is out and all of the hype is here.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Given recent information, if we DO get to make wishes on the Namekian dragonballs, we should probably consider using one to get a body, then the other two to benefit New Namek and help it defend itself against the upcoming invasion threat.
- Location
- Academy City
- Pronouns
- They
Remember the efficient market hypothesis of wishes. Aside from the body, are those a) likely to be the most effective use of the wishes, b) likely to be something the namekians haven't done (or consciously decided not to do) yet, and c) can the dragon do it? Like, they've had potentially over a thousand wishes since the death of earth. It seems likely to me that most possible forms of defense are already in place and insufficient.
I mean, getting a body as powerful as our normal body would probably be a huge boon to them, considering our power level and such.
But I don't think we actually have a way to get back to Garenhuld though...
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
I think we might be talking past each other. I've been suggesting we check on them because they had more time and people invested into Trying Things than we do, and even if they found nothing useful, it's almost certainly worthwhile just to cross dead ends off the list.
- Location
- Academy City
- Pronouns
- They
If we're just checking in, do you know who has even more saiyans, with more knowledge, greater talent and training, more time and is also only accessible by vision? 3 guesses, and the first two don't count.
Besides, house Talt had something worth our time, they probably wouldn't have lost so decisively. It's not like they had a lot of time, either; I'm pretty sure Vegeta spent more time mastering those forms than they did, and was both more talented and experienced than they were, and he still ditched it the moment he had another option.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
I'm thinking of wishes like, say...
1) "Contact Toru and bring him to New Namek to coordinate with us."
2) "Contact Androids 17 and 18 and bring them to New Namek to coordinate with us."
3) "Summon all the Namekian warriors to New Namek now, instead of waiting for Guru to find out there's a threat and summon them the hard way."
4) "Give us a detailed report of what you know about the forces threatening New Namek"
Some of these might not work (in particular, the dragon probably can't summon powerful beings who resist, and wishes (1) and (2) might result in people choosing to resist a summons. But they're all wishes that are in broad within the dragon's power to grant, and which would help us deal with the immediate crises we face. And which the Namekians themselves could not have made in advance because they didn't know they needed to make them.
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*(can you ask the dragon for information? They seem very knowledgeable and would almost have to be, in order to carry out some of the wishes we've seen)
- Location
- aaa
That's true... but typically the Arcosians are 100% evil. And for a while Goku was the only "good" Saiyan. It seems like we've deviated a bit from the DBZ universe of black and white morality.
We've been betrayed quite a lot lately (by Sensei and Dazarel). It just seems odd to trust this stranger completely without knowing anything about him at all. I don't know, maybe I'm being too paranoid.
Ooooh I hope so!
We may not know many details about his situation and history, but his actions say that he's a decent guy. Still, on general principles, I agree that we shouldn't tell him everything. Especially the location of Garenhuld. But in this case... what did we See?
New Namek is coming under attack. The Enemy is hunting Saiyans using incomprehensible powers. Earth Saiyans were badass. Someone is murdering someone. The coming attack on New Namek is bad.
That's all stuff that he already knows, or stuff that we need to tell him if we want to stay on his good side, or stuff that we need to learn more about ourselves. Do you have any specific concerns about this particular set of information?
[X] Explain everything, no matter how trivial. Something of this gravity...unsettles...you. You want him to give you a full second opinion. Anything could be related.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Well yes, yes we have deviated.
More generally, the only Arcosians we ever meet in canon are Frieza's family, and his interuniversal Universe 6 counterpart. The uniquely powerful sociopathic ones. We have no idea what the rest of the species is like; it might be as inaccurate to judge all the Arcosians by Frieza as it would be to judge all the saiyans by Goku, just in opposite directions.
Furthermore, Bassoon's actions showed a noble character. He prefers to avoid killing, and he shows concern about the welfare of others. It's conceivable that he's secretly evil, but at this point we're desperate enough that we had to trust SOMEONE and Bassoon has shown us literally no evidence of being a bad choice in that department.
[X] Explain everything, no matter how trivial. Something of this gravity...unsettles...you. You want him to give you a full second opinion. Anything could be related.
1) Bringing Enemy bait to a place we want to protect seems unwise at best.
2) I'd prefer to contact them before summoning, although IIRC wish based summonings can be refused. I'm not sure how much information the target gets about the context of the summoning though.
3) Viable
4) Viable
1) Bringing Enemy bait to a place we want to protect seems unwise at best.
2) I'd prefer to contact them before summoning, although IIRC wish based summonings can be refused. I'm not sure how much information the target gets about the context of the summoning though.
3) Viable
4) Viable
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Okay, I get and respect your arguments.
My point is, there are things we might reasonably want to do specifically to find allies, muster the defenses, and prepare specifically against this particular attack that only we know is coming. Rather than generically "bolstering the defenses" as the Namekians might hypothetically have wished for in the past.
It also bears considering that using the Dragonballs once per year isn't actually normal operating pace; theoretically the New Namekians have had like 1000 wishes since the fall of Earth, but in practice it may be that they haven't made any wishes in fifty or a hundred years, because nothing came up that required it.
I like where you are going with this.
Other possible dragon ball wishes include the Xenoverse Future warrior creation wish, a wish to 'summon someone who is willing and able to help'.
Of course, considering that we didn't see any obvious signs of a wish in our vision, there is a good chance that the Dragon Balls are not available.
I think that the dragon balls could probably use divination magic to find out information, and the dragon might be knowledgeable so...
We already know a lot about the forces that will threaten New Namek. Our vision gave a rough sense of what the power levels involved are, and if we send our mental impression of the ships to someone knowledgeable, I suspect that they will be identifiable. We probably have enough intel to plan just from that series of visions alone to get to diminishing returns on that information, so there is a good chance that the exact data is a relatively low priority.
For more grounded approaches to solving these problems, we might want to sight learn the kaioken to share with the namekians, or just share Jaffur's Ki refinement technique that we already know at least the basics of.
Also, this might all be completely pointless because we can pull off a Spirit Saiyan / Genki Dama, and completely blow them out of the sky without worrying too much. On the other hand, the ability to train a 'personal guard' that would let us form the spirit bomb without interference would probably be very helpful.
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My only point of objection was in summoning the doom magnet to New Namek. Because distant family or no, Toru is a target that the Enemy is actively pursuing. Recalling Namek's fighters and info gathering both seem like good uses for a wish.
Regarding the Andriods: I'd prefer to give them a heads up before we're at the point we're ready to summon them, so they have longer to mull the option of responding positively.
- Location
- Academy City
- Pronouns
- They
I think that was plausible before the death of earth, but now? Not really. Like, they have the enemy to worry about, and the galaxy is in tatters, and they no longer have complete isolation... if they haven't been using wishes, I really want to know why not.