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Dragon Ball: After the End

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Simon_Jester said:
Okay, we can't lock onto a (dead) planet from interstellar ranges. Nor can we lock onto stars from the long ranges found in the outer reaches of the galaxy where stars are far apart, which is why we can't use IT to get from Garenhuld to the nearest inhabited star system.

But during the fight with Yammar you indicated that we COULD lock onto a star, at least from a point within the same star system. So apparently stars have an energy signature we can use, if only from what are by cosmic standards short ranges.

Like, consider the real-life solar system, where presumably no one has a power level of greater than five or so and where Earth hasn't been blown up, and where the inner system planets are about 100-200 million miles apart.

Could we instant-transmit from the Earth to Mars, given that Mars has no life but is close enough that we can see it?

Could we IT from Mars to Earth, using the Earth's biosphere as our aiming point?

Could we IT from Earth or Mars to the Sun?
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I see that there's been a miscommunication.

During the fight, what I stated was that you could IT to a point beyond Epsis (Garenhuld's star). That is not because you could lock on to Epsis, although in retrospect I can see how you'd conclude that. You might remember me saying that Kakara couldn't really be confident in a landing spot to within several thousand miles, with that kind of jump; that's because she would be locking onto a Garenhuld-bound living ki signature, and throwing herself outwards from that. About the limit of her abilities. She could not, however, IT to Epsis by locking onto the star's (undetectable, if it is indeed at all extant) ki signature.

As for your questions, since they are quite illustrative of the dynamic:

You could probably IT from Earth to Mars, although again you'd need to use an Earth-bound (ISS-bound, at the absolute best) ki signature, and your landing site would be incredibly variable, potentially not even within the atmosphere.

However, you likely could not make the return trip, because the ki signatures to be found on Earth would be so distant that you likely couldn't sense them outside of Exceptional skill. Even then, it'd be a gamble, and your landing site would be variable within several hundred thousand miles thanks to the imprecise signal lock.

By the same token, while you could (imprecisely) throw yourself to Sol from Earth, doing so from Mars would be questionably possible at best, and wildly imprecise.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
I see that there's been a miscommunication.

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Just to make sure I understand you correctly:

It's not so much using a Ki signature as if they were landing lights on a runway, but more as GPS signals to orient ourselves before and during the teleportation. We can triangulate to a really far off point using nearby Ki signals we can sense, but without Ki on the other side triangulate a path back we are stuck where we arrived post teleport.

If we can sense Ki near the destination, the math for triangulation using that signal is much easier and more precise.
 
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For write-ins, I see these going around:

[ ] Almost completely. Precisely describe yourself and the situation that cast you into exile. Identify Dazarel by name, and in his capacity as a very very sealed dragon we defeated. But withhold the name of your homeworld, and any other information that you think could plausibly result in Bassoon learning or being able to deduce the location of Garenhuld.
- [ ] Explain that the location of your homeworld is a very important secret to your people, for very important reasons, and one you cannot risk sharing at this time.

A condensation of two different, "share freely except for OPSEC hazards about Garenhuld," write-ins. I chose this one because it's more distinguished from the defaults.

[ ] Incompletely. Let him know that you're a saiyan, and broadly that you're rootless and looking for a way home, but conceal your nobility and the precise nature of your exile. Similarly, don't share too freely who and what Dazarel is and does.
- [ ] Inform him explicitly that your explanation is incomplete. You'll be happy to tell him more as you get to know him.

Incomplete answer, but open about that.
Conceptualist said:
Just to make sure I understand you correctly:

It's not so much using a Ki signature as if they were landing lights on a runway, but more as GPS signals to orient ourselves before and during the teleportation. We can triangulate to a really far off point using nearby Ki signals we can sense, but without Ki on the other side triangulate a path back we are stuck where we arrived post teleport.

If we can sense Ki near the destination, the math for triangulation using that signal is much easier and more precise.
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All correct. You're using the ki signature as a lighthouse.
 
[X] Almost completely. Precisely describe yourself and the situation that cast you into exile. Identify Dazarel by name, and in his capacity as a very very sealed dragon we defeated. But withhold the name of your homeworld, and any other information that you think could plausibly result in Bassoon learning or being able to deduce the location of Garenhuld.
- [X] Explain that the location of your homeworld is a very important secret to your people, for very important reasons, and one you cannot risk sharing at this time.
I'll go for this for now.
 
[X] Almost completely. Precisely describe yourself and the situation that cast you into exile. Identify Dazarel by name, and in his capacity as a very very sealed dragon we defeated. But withhold the name of your homeworld, and any other information that you think could plausibly result in Bassoon learning or being able to deduce the location of Garenhuld.
- [X] Explain that the location of your homeworld is a very important secret to your people, for very important reasons, and one you cannot risk sharing at this time.

This. I like this.

We should be open and honest.

Anything that risks a Deceit check should be avoided, and this guy is almost certainly a friend!

After all, nothing could possibly change about an entire group of people in just 500 years, right? Right?
 
[X] Almost completely. Precisely describe yourself and the situation that cast you into exile. Identify Dazarel by name, and in his capacity as a very very sealed dragon we defeated. But withhold the name of your homeworld, and any other information that you think could plausibly result in Bassoon learning or being able to deduce the location of Garenhuld.
- [X] Explain that the location of your homeworld is a very important secret to your people, for very important reasons, and one you cannot risk sharing at this time.
Do we have a sense of this Bassoon's power level?
 
Jirachi47 said:
[X] Almost completely. Precisely describe yourself and the situation that cast you into exile. Identify Dazarel by name, and in his capacity as a very very sealed dragon we defeated. But withhold the name of your homeworld, and any other information that you think could plausibly result in Bassoon learning or being able to deduce the location of Garenhuld.
- [X] Explain that the location of your homeworld is a very important secret to your people, for very important reasons, and one you cannot risk sharing at this time.
Do we have a sense of this Bassoon's power level?
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It's coming up this next update.
 
[X] Almost completely. Precisely describe yourself and the situation that cast you into exile. Identify Dazarel by name, and in his capacity as a very very sealeddragon we defeated. But withhold the name of your homeworld, and any other information that you think could plausibly result in Bassoon learning or being able to deduce the location of Garenhuld.
- [X] Explain that the location of your homeworld is a very important secret to your people, for very important reasons, and one you cannot risk sharing at this time.
 
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[X] Almost completely. Precisely describe yourself and the situation that cast you into exile. Identify Dazarel by name, and in his capacity as a very very sealed dragon we defeated. But withhold the name of your homeworld, and any other information that you think could plausibly result in Bassoon learning or being able to deduce the location of Garenhuld.
- [X] Explain that the location of your homeworld is a very important secret to your people, for very important reasons, and one you cannot risk sharing at this time.

By definition, old friends aren't necessarily still your friend, but this guy seems decent enough that I think we can afford to tell him this much now rather than waiting.
 
[X] Almost completely. Precisely describe yourself and the situation that cast you into exile. Identify Dazarel by name, and in his capacity as a very very sealed dragon we defeated. But withhold the name of your homeworld, and any other information that you think could plausibly result in Bassoon learning or being able to deduce the location of Garenhuld.
- [X] Explain that the location of your homeworld is a very important secret to your people, for very important reasons, and one you cannot risk sharing at this time.
 
It'll be interesting to see what the state of combat is in the wider galaxy. Garenhuld is a backwater that hasn't seen any advances the wider galaxy has made, but it's also the societal equivalent of an isolated temple of Xiaolin monks perfecting the art of beating each other up - it could honestly go either way, and I'm excited to see how we measure up.
 
So, out of curiosity how big does the Ki signature need to be for IT? Could we grab some beetles or squirrels, bring them with us, and then use them to triangulate the return vector?
 
[X] Almost completely. Precisely describe yourself and the situation that cast you into exile. Identify Dazarel by name, and in his capacity as a very very sealed dragon we defeated. But withhold the name of your homeworld, and any other information that you think could plausibly result in Bassoon learning or being able to deduce the location of Garenhuld.
- [X] Explain that the location of your homeworld is a very important secret to your people, for very important reasons, and one you cannot risk sharing at this time.
 
[X] Almost completely. Precisely describe yourself and the situation that cast you into exile. Identify Dazarel by name, and in his capacity as a very very sealed dragon we defeated. But withhold the name of your homeworld, and any other information that you think could plausibly result in Bassoon learning or being able to deduce the location of Garenhuld.
- [X] Explain that the location of your homeworld is a very important secret to your people, for very important reasons, and one you cannot risk sharing at this time.
 
[X] Almost completely. Precisely describe yourself and the situation that cast you into exile. Identify Dazarel by name, and in his capacity as a very very sealed dragon we defeated. But withhold the name of your homeworld, and any other information that you think could plausibly result in Bassoon learning or being able to deduce the location of Garenhuld.
- [X] Explain that the location of your homeworld is a very important secret to your people, for very important reasons, and one you cannot risk sharing at this time.
ilbgar123 said:
So, @PoptartProdigy does teaching someone Skills gets us 'Skill points' towards advancing it?
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it should get us the "teaching" skill at least.
 
[X] Almost completely. Precisely describe yourself and the situation that cast you into exile. Identify Dazarel by name, and in his capacity as a very very sealed dragon we defeated. But withhold the name of your homeworld, and any other information that you think could plausibly result in Bassoon learning or being able to deduce the location of Garenhuld.
- [X] Explain that the location of your homeworld is a very important secret to your people, for very important reasons, and one you cannot risk sharing at this time.

PoptartProdigy said:
It's coming up this next update.
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What about his fighting and flying skills?
Karnax626 said:
I assume stronger than our shade base, considering how his words sounded when he was fighting.
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That might have been a judgment of skill rather than strength/speed, though.

Edit:

..and I have no idea how the crap I misread what you said. Sorry, gah.
 
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[ ] Almost completely. Precisely describe yourself and the situation that cast you into exile. Identify Dazarel by name, and in his capacity as a very very sealed dragon we defeated. But withhold the name of your homeworld, and any other information that you think could plausibly result in Bassoon learning or being able to deduce the location of Garenhuld.
- [ ] Explain that the location of your homeworld is a very important secret to your people, for very important reasons, and one you cannot risk sharing at this time.
 
ilbgar123 said:
So, @PoptartProdigy does teaching someone Skills gets us 'Skill points' towards advancing it?
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Secondarily, although it primarily grinds Teaching.
chryssalideater said:
So, out of curiosity how big does the Ki signature need to be for IT? Could we grab some beetles or squirrels, bring them with us, and then use them to triangulate the return vector?
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Depends on the distance you're trying to move. An animal would not get you interplanetary distances.
Bommelom said:
What about his fighting and flying skills?
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You'll see over time.
 
[X] Almost completely. Precisely describe yourself and the situation that cast you into exile. Identify Dazarel by name, and in his capacity as a very very sealed dragon we defeated. But withhold the name of your homeworld, and any other information that you think could plausibly result in Bassoon learning or being able to deduce the location of Garenhuld.
- [X] Explain that the location of your homeworld is a very important secret to your people, for very important reasons, and one you cannot risk sharing at this time.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
It'll be interesting to see what the state of combat is in the wider galaxy. Garenhuld is a backwater that hasn't seen any advances the wider galaxy has made, but it's also the societal equivalent of an isolated temple of Xiaolin monks perfecting the art of beating each other up - it could honestly go either way, and I'm excited to see how we measure up.
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The main question is if Lapis and Lazuli are actually capable of growing stronger, or if being Androids with a power source they don't fully understand has left them unable to do more than remain at the same level. Because they're major players in the galaxy, but a FPSSJ is significantly stronger than they were on Earth.

...Note that I haven't seen Super, so this may have changed.
 
[X] Incompletely. Let him know that you're a saiyan, and broadly that you're rootless and looking for a way home, but conceal your nobility and the precise nature of your exile. Similarly, don't share too freely who and what Dazarel is and does.
- [X] Inform him explicitly that your explanation is incomplete. You'll be happy to tell him more as you get to know him.
 
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