- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Who knows?
Unless that lets you get a fix on their ki signature, no.
Dragon Ball: After the End
Interesting, I really do hope we can find them or any of the Kais for training, guess we missed asking Yemma.
- Location
- Somewhere I shouldn't be
The Dragon Radar? Gravity chambers?
...Trunks?
Because the capsules were the invention of Dr. Briefs.
- Location
- Academy City
- Pronouns
- They
No, the saiyan armor from cell arc. Vegeta was quite explicit about that one.
- Location
- Somewhere I shouldn't be
Sorry for the double-post, but I wanted to be sure to be able to tag @PoptartProdigy with this question:
What can we sense with Ki Sense while we are inside someone's head? Can we sense their ki? What about the ki of the outside world? Could we, perchance, get a good read on Polaris and be able to IT to him in the future? What about the Namekian?
Also, regardless of anything else, we should offer to teach this guy Instant Transmission. He could certainly use it, given that he's having to run a blockade (both ways!) to deliver humanitarian relief.
What can we sense with Ki Sense while we are inside someone's head? Can we sense their ki? What about the ki of the outside world? Could we, perchance, get a good read on Polaris and be able to IT to him in the future? What about the Namekian?
Also, regardless of anything else, we should offer to teach this guy Instant Transmission. He could certainly use it, given that he's having to run a blockade (both ways!) to deliver humanitarian relief.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Your passive senses are working as normal. You don't yet know if this has impacted active sensing.
Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
- Location
- Something Clever
- Pronouns
- She/Her
In that case, out of curiosity, could we get a ballpark of the power levels on display?
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Saving that for the next update.
Quest
The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
What exactly do we need to be able to teleport somewhere with IT? Obviously, we need a ki signature but is that because we specifically need to detect ki, or just because it is the easiest way to gauge distance in relation to ourself? Could we IT using other senses like our mundane sight?
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
I don't think being cagey about Dazzarel is a good idea. Dude was famous enough that random souls could recognize him so our host might figure it out from context clues. Being upfront that we are not friends with the genocidal maniac might endear us to him while keeping quiet and let him figure it out would make him suspiscious.
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
- Location
- Midwest, USA
I'm sure the Saiyan can sense Bassoon's power, yes.
- Location
- Somewhere I shouldn't be
The poster couldn't remember the spelling of Bassoon's name, and didn't want to give offense.
I sure hope it's over 9,000.
I also have to wonder if anyone is wearing anything that looks like a scouter. It probably would be hard to tell through helmets (for the enemies of Bassoon) and I'd be surprised to see it on someone who seems to be working for a resistance or leading humanitarian efforts, so I don't think we can draw conclusions yet.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
I've been convinced that this is the way to go:
[ ] Almost completely. Precisely describe yourself and the situation that cast you into exile. Identify Dazarel by name, and in his capacity as a very very sealed dragon we defeated. But withhold the name of your homeworld, and any other information that you think could plausibly result in Bassoon learning or being able to deduce the location of Garenhuld.
- [ ] Explain that the location of your homeworld is a very important secret to your people, for very important reasons, and one you cannot risk sharing at this time.
We don't care about him finding out that a mind-controlling sorceress took over our world. The only things we care about are that 1) there's a planet of Saiyan descendants and 2) where it is. We can't feasibly hide 1), but there's no reason to let him know about 2).
Also, if we need to offer a carrot, IT isn't the only card we have - we might be able to transfer PL to our host, in which case he will suddenly be strong enough to drive off the entire fleet, most likely. Or at least scare them off.
[ ] Almost completely. Precisely describe yourself and the situation that cast you into exile. Identify Dazarel by name, and in his capacity as a very very sealed dragon we defeated. But withhold the name of your homeworld, and any other information that you think could plausibly result in Bassoon learning or being able to deduce the location of Garenhuld.
- [ ] Explain that the location of your homeworld is a very important secret to your people, for very important reasons, and one you cannot risk sharing at this time.
We don't care about him finding out that a mind-controlling sorceress took over our world. The only things we care about are that 1) there's a planet of Saiyan descendants and 2) where it is. We can't feasibly hide 1), but there's no reason to let him know about 2).
Also, if we need to offer a carrot, IT isn't the only card we have - we might be able to transfer PL to our host, in which case he will suddenly be strong enough to drive off the entire fleet, most likely. Or at least scare them off.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
You need a lock on a ki signature. With practice, it's possible to cast yourself a given distance away from the signature on which you have a lock, and Kakara's actually incredibly good at that, but you need a signature.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
What exactly qualifies as a ki signature? We saw the Genki Dama drawing from other lifeless planets in our solar system. Could we lock onto a rock, if we recognised that rock?
Oh, and that's actually brought up another ASK vote idea, though I wouldn't object to you answering now:
[X][ASK] The Saiyans of Garenhuld revile the SSJ2 transformation, for fear its power level could be sensed elsewhere in the galaxy. We know that there are stronger monsters than that in this galaxy - have they ever been sensed from Garenhuld by Saiyans? (Presumably ITing to a signature that large would be deemed unwise...)
Quest
The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
We already have a similar option in Machine Sense.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
No. Too small to sense (a reminder, that Goku drawing from the entire system of Namek until there was nothing left going spare gathered up just enough power to not kill a far less-than-maximum Freeza).
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
That makes sense. On the other hand, the minimum quantity to be as much as a person is less than that. Could you possibly lock onto a planet, or is the PL of a planet too spread out?
I suspect that would a Legendary Talent.
Anyway, wondering what the point of it would be? And why you're asking these questions?
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Not possible, by all experience.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
I'd be surprised - it would be a much more niche use case than the Elite Talents we've seen.
It is, however, directly relevant to Garenhuld's situation. There are probably enough uninhabited planets between Garenhuld and the populated galaxy that a Saiyan capable of sensing them could feasibly "hop" across the gap, going from planet to planet.
Drat.
Don't have the range.
- Location
- Somewhere I shouldn't be
Obviously stronger ki signatures are detectable from further out. That said, familiarity with a ki signature has been shown to increase your ability to recognize it at a distance (I believe).
Can Kakara's passive senses detect anyone she knows on Garenhuld from here? Obviously, many of them (Dad, Jaffur, Jaron, Dandeer, maybe our body?) are not good targets to IT into, and most friendlies (friends, family) are likely under the Senzu's wards, but it'd be nice to know if we can detect anyone from home at this range.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Yemma is literally the busiest person in the cosmos and there is absolutely no realistic way he would have agreed to train us.
I mean, it's possible. On the other hand, if we're EVER going to tell him that about ourselves, it's going to raise the same infosec considerations, and if we NEVER tell him, it's going to undermine his trust for us and his value as an ally to us.
I think sooner or later we're going to have to tell our most trusted and noble allies what we're from, if not where we're from. We're not going to get nearly as much out of this galactic grand tour without sharing some trust with the allies we make.
We have to balance infosec against the benefits of having allies who know enough about us to be willing to help us. Remember that Kakara's true unique strengths are her fine manipulation of ki, which is largely irrelevant to our present problems, and her ability to enlist allies.
...
Also, we know from Dazarel that there's at least one other saiyan-descended race somewhere in the galaxy, presumably Tarble's descendants. If THEY haven't been destroyed already, it reduces the risks.
All the more reason for us to voluntarily help us, then!
This. Very much this.
Definitely. Garenhuld was explicitly chosen so that even unshielded FPSS power levels would not be detectable from any inhabited system around it.
Correspondingly, if any power level signature of FPSS level or less was found in any of those habitable star systems, we wouldn't be able to lock on and reach that system because we couldn't see them any more than they could see us. Maybe with Elite/Legendary ki sense we could go 'beyond the impossible' and achieve such a target lock, but even so it would require an amazingly bright ki beacon (e.g. an FPSS or something even stronger).
The dead systems are closer to Garenhuld, but not so much closer that we'd be able to detect any of the much less powerful things in those systems. Even stars don't have power level signatures as visible as an FPSS, in all likelihood, given that beings not that much stronger than FPSSes (e.g. Broly) are sufficient to destroy a galaxy if not stopped.
Okay, we can't lock onto a (dead) planet from interstellar ranges. Nor can we lock onto stars from the long ranges found in the outer reaches of the galaxy where stars are far apart, which is why we can't use IT to get from Garenhuld to the nearest inhabited star system.
But during the fight with Yammar you indicated that we COULD lock onto a star, at least from a point within the same star system. So apparently stars have an energy signature we can use, if only from what are by cosmic standards short ranges.
Like, consider the real-life solar system, where presumably no one has a power level of greater than five or so and where Earth hasn't been blown up, and where the inner system planets are about 100-200 million miles apart.
Could we instant-transmit from the Earth to Mars, given that Mars has no life but is close enough that we can see it?
Could we IT from Mars to Earth, using the Earth's biosphere as our aiming point?
Could we IT from Earth or Mars to the Sun?