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Dragon Ball: After the End

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PoptartProdigy said:
Honestly, I had anticipated you all using the moratorium and this voting period for something entirely different.

But we seem to have come to a conclusive halt, yeah. Vote closed. Not even bothering tallying.

[X] Do it now.
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Went and had another look at the update, and something pretty awful jumped out at me.

Dandeer apparently went and prevented Jaffur from accessing a specific memory. Why? He's not supposed to be able to access any of his memories! He's not even supposed to exist as a separate entity from Jaron!

Did Dandeer know this was going to happen? But even then, why bother hiding it from Jaffur? What purpose even is there in hiding a memory from someone who couldn't do anything with it anyway?

We have Dandeer hiding a specific memory from someone who wasn't supposed/expected to exist, among memories that weren't supposed to be possible to access anyway. Something is very, very wrong with this picture - even moreso than we've previously picked up on.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
Went and had another look at the update, and something pretty awful jumped out at me.

Dandeer apparently went and prevented Jaffur from accessing a specific memory. Why? He's not supposed to be able to access any of his memories! He's not even supposed to exist as a separate entity from Jaron!

Did Dandeer know this was going to happen? But even then, why bother hiding it from Jaffur? What purpose even is there in hiding a memory from someone who couldn't do anything with it anyway?

We have Dandeer hiding a specific memory from someone who wasn't supposed/expected to exist, among memories that weren't supposed to be possible to access anyway. Something is very, very wrong with this picture - even moreso than we've previously picked up on.
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Finally someone else picked up on it!
 
Deathbybunnies said:
Dandeer apparently went and prevented Jaffur from accessing a specific memory. Why? He's not supposed to be able to access any of his memories! He's not even supposed to exist as a separate entity from Jaron!

Did Dandeer know this was going to happen? But even then, why bother hiding it from Jaffur? What purpose even is there in hiding a memory from someone who couldn't do anything with it anyway?
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I'd guess that she Sealed the memories of that evening when she returned home that night.

Probably so she wouldn't have to fight him (and LOSE, badly) again in the morning, when he woke up and remembered what had happened.
 
Tylonius said:
I just assumed she sealed that memory that night before the full sealing.
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I went and looked at the scene in question:
PoptartProdigy said:
"Kala, I just told you that I Sealed my husband as he slept. Do you think a human managed to break both of my arms and flatten my left lung? A Sorceress I may be, but I could still turn this planet into ash if I wanted."

You go deadly still.

"I thought it was Vegeta," says Dad, his voice vacant with horror. "I thought..."

"Jaffur has been showing the same signs," she says, voice bitter. "When I told him what I had done...he flew into a rage and did this to me. It was all I could do to wipe his memory of the last hour and guide him back to bed before I passed out.
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That is what she said she did. But... if nothing happened that he can recall (and there's no purpose to Jaffur lying here) why would she bother sealing the memory? There's still an inconsistency here: I can't work out why anyone - Dandeer or otherwise - would bother sealing the events of Jaffur's uneventful night.

Unless...

What if it's not to stop him from looking for it - it's so that anyone looking there sees it and concludes that the memory was sealed just like Dandeer says it was? But there's only one Sorcerer who'd be looking at Jaffur's mind between that night and the Sealing. What if that little seal wasn't placed there by Dandeer, but was placed there for her, to match up with what she remembers happening? What if someone mind-whammied Dandeer all those years ago?

I think it's possible poor Dandeer isn't the monster we've been thinking of her as at all. She's been labouring under mental compulsions - or she was just whammied hard enough at the start to set her down a course she wouldn't have willingly chosen, and the rest is just her not really being capable of handling the consequences? Is she really culpable, if she just woke up one morning in a shitty situation she didn't put in motion and wasn't able to handle?

It's the only thing I can think of that fits.
 
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I think you're being overly paranoid. I'm pretty sure sealing the memory was wiping it. The question is what was in the memory she sealed.
 
Tylonius said:
I think you're being overly paranoid. I'm pretty sure sealing the memory was wiping it. The question is what was in the memory she sealed.
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But then that pivots back to what Jaffur saw, and why he lied about it. He explicitly told us to go See it, so any lie is about to be revealed - what good does getting us out of his head do? He's not capable of doing anything relevant while trapped in there.
 
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Deathbybunnies said:
But then that pivots back to what Jaffur saw, and why he lied about it. He explicitly told us to go See it, so any lie is about to be revealed - what good does getting him out of his head do? He's not capable of doing anything relevant while trapped in there.
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No it doesn't. He told us what he saw, and why would he lie?

Also, there's anothet possibility for Dandeer sealing the memory: no chance Berra would find out the truth if he investigates, and if Jaffur manages to escape, again, the ecidence is gone.
 
Gore17 said:
No it doesn't. He told us what he saw, and why would he lie?
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Yes, that's what I'm pointing out?
Gore17 said:
Also, there's anothet possibility for Dandeer sealing the memory: no chance Berra would find out the truth if he investigates, and if Jaffur manages to escape, again, the ecidence is gone.
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If Jaffur escapes imprisonment Dandeer is completely ruined anyway. And why would Berra send a Sorcerer to go check on Jaffur's head, when Dandeer had apparently confessed to the terrible thing that happened? What would he be looking for in Jaffur's head? He had no reason to believe Dandeer was lying.
 
Sealing the memory ('wiping it') would also keep it from showing up on Mind Delve.

Honestly, I can't see what the concern here is: we know that she Sealed the memory after he attacked her (or so she says, personally I believe her). I believe that he recognized that as the night of the event, and couldn't access the Sealed portion (just the lead-up, then being led to bed).

And we have no real reason to suspect that anything unusual happened, or that anyone but Vegeta, Dandeer, and Jaffur were involved. I'd guess that there were words (IMPORTANT words) exchanged prior to her arms being broken, and THAT'S what we are heading off to See.
 
It doesn't have to be a sorcerer. Presunably this hides it from mind delve too.
 
KaintukeeBob said:
Sealing the memory ('wiping it') would also keep it from showing up on Mind Delve.

Honestly, I can't see what the concern here is: we know that she Sealed the memory after he attacked her (or so she says, personally I believe her). I believe that he recognized that as the night of the event, and couldn't access the Sealed portion (just the lead-up, then being led to bed).

And we have no real reason to suspect that anything unusual happened, or that anyone but Vegeta, Dandeer, and Jaffur were involved. I'd guess that there were words (IMPORTANT words) exchanged prior to her arms being broken, and THAT'S what we are heading off to See.
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Jaffur literally just told us this:
PoptartProdigy said:
"I didn't see anything," he says, still refusing to turn towards you. "I went to sleep that night, and woke up the next morning. I never spoke to my mother at all. I need you to scry what happened. Go now."
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Why would he lie?
 
Deathbybunnies said:
Went and had another look at the update, and something pretty awful jumped out at me.
Dandeer apparently went and prevented Jaffur from accessing a specific memory. Why? He's not supposed to be able to access any of his memories! He's not even supposed to exist as a separate entity from Jaron!

Did Dandeer know this was going to happen? But even then, why bother hiding it from Jaffur? What purpose even is there in hiding a memory from someone who couldn't do anything with it anyway?
We have Dandeer hiding a specific memory from someone who wasn't supposed/expected to exist, among memories that weren't supposed to be possible to access anyway. Something is very, very wrong with this picture - even moreso than we've previously picked up on.
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Consider that maybe, just maybe, she might not want her son to remember something he did because she loves him and worries that it might break him?
 
uju32 said:
Consider that maybe, just maybe, she might not want her son to remember something he did because she loves him and worries that it might break him?
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You're missing the point.
a) Jaffur is not supposed to be a separate entity from Jaron, so no one should be seeing any of his memories.
b) Jaffur literally just told us that he saw the evening in question, and nothing out of the ordinary happened.
Unless Jaffur is lying (and he has no reason to) then she sealed a completely pointless memory, and that's weird.
 
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