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Dragon Ball: After the End

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[X] [AFTER] Lay down some ground rules with Dazarel about what does and does not constitute proper behavior.
[X][CHIBI] He can be out in front of saiyans, and reveal himself only to humans you personally approve. Garenhulders are easy to convince about new things being old, but you don't want to have to en masse, and if the scouts pick up a TV broadcast where the insolent lizard showed his face, and broadcast it to the wrong person...
 
Tylonius said:
He may be a somewhat chill old man around us, but he still tortured an entire House to death one at a time, forced his son to watch, and thereby caused the entire political mess the Exiles are embroiled in.
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I mean I like Tywin Lannister in Game of Thrones, that doesn't make him any less of a monster.
 
[X][AFTER] Go visit the Misfits. You need to tell your other friends what's going on.
[X][AFTER] Lay down some ground rules with Dazarel about what does and does not constitute proper behavior.
[X][AFTER] Follow up with the people of Garenhuld regarding what just happened.

[X][CHIBI] He can be out in front of saiyans, and reveal himself only to humans you personally approve. Garenhulders are easy to convince about new things being old, but you don't want to have to en masse, and if the scouts pick up a TV broadcast where the insolent lizard showed his face, and broadcast it to the wrong person...
 
[X] [AFTER] Lay down some ground rules with Dazarel about what does and does not constitute proper behavior.
[X][CHIBI] He can be out in front of saiyans, and reveal himself only to humans you personally approve. Garenhulders are easy to convince about new things being old, but you don't want to have to en masse, and if the scouts pick up a TV broadcast where the insolent lizard showed his face, and broadcast it to the wrong person.
 
[X][AFTER] Go to your people. They will want to see you, right now.

We owe them more of our attention, and the sooner we do so, the more effective it'll be. And with our communication score, we'll probably give a killer speech.

[X][CHIBI] He is to be refused all contact with people save on your sufferance. You're not going to refuse to give him any contact -- assuming solitary confinement even works on him like it does on saiyans or humans -- but you're going to personally vet each and every conversation he has.

I want to be very controlling with him at first, so that he doesn't get the idea that we'll be soft with him, or get into any habits of defiance. Plus, it'll take time for any exiles to be willing to give him a chance, so we'll probably be the only ones willing to be friendly anytime soon, regardless. As his sociability improves, we can lighten up as appropriate.

Edit: I don't think it's a good idea to introduce him to the Misfits or other Garenhulders, for the time being, since they'll be easiest for him to harm or exploit, which he's already tried with Maya.
 
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Actually, I have a thought. Since we do have the option for a write in, maybe it should be a good idea to tell Yammar and Apra of our concerns via telepathy regarldless of what we choose? About Dandeer leaving early, Jaffur donating energy, the future already been changed from Dazzarel arriving early and none of our seers being in a condition to check if there is danger to the plan? We could make it a subvote.
 
[X] [AFTER] Write-in: Inform Apra with telepathy that you're worried that Dandeer may have sensed Jaffur donating energy through the Seal, and ask her if she can check up to make sure Jaron/Jaffur are okay. Then, lay down some ground rules with Dazarel about what does and does not constitute proper behavior.

There, a write-in option. Since I still support "lay down the law" firmly, and "go visit the Misfits" temporarily, I'm keeping my votes for them. Approval voting yay!

[X] [AFTER] Lay down some ground rules with Dazarel about what does and does not constitute proper behavior.
[X] [AFTER] Go visit the Misfits. You need to tell your other friends what's going on.

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[X][CHIBI] He is to be refused all contact with people save on your sufferance. You're not going to refuse to give him any contact -- assuming solitary confinement even works on him like it does on saiyans or humans -- but you're going to personally vet each and every conversation he has.

Again, I want to start with tight restrictions on Dazarel's behavior and options, then relax them as a reward for good behavior. This is a MUCH more effective way to discipline an unruly little shit than the alternative of starting out relaxed and trying to clamp down restrictions at a later time. And Dazarel is now definitely in the 'unruly little shit' territory, which is admittedly an improvement over the 'unruly big shit' status he enjoyed an hour ago.
 
I think Poptart said they're only planning to honor the top priority, but has affirmed that we will do all of these things eventually.

Basically, this isn't a vote about what we think is most important in the long run. It's a vote about what we think is most urgent. What do we need to do, right this minute?

That's why I'm NOT voting for "give a speech to the people," even though there are good reasons to do so and it's arguably most important in the long run. It's important, but it's not urgent in the sense that waiting an hour or even a day to get around to it will cause that much of a problem.

Whereas if Dandeer noticed Jaffur punching a hole in the Seal and headed away to do something about that, we may need to shut that shit down fast. Dazarel being an unruly little shit is something we need to deal with promptly, second in priority only to making sure Dandeer doesn't mess up Jaffur/Jaron while we're otherwise occupied.

These things, in addition to being important, are urgent, in the sense of being time-critical.
 
[X] [AFTER] Write-in: Inform Apra with telepathy that you're worried that Dandeer may have sensed Jaffur donating energy through the Seal, and ask her if she can check up to make sure Jaron/Jaffur are okay. Then, lay down some ground rules with Dazarel about what does and does not constitute proper behavior.
[X] [AFTER] Lay down some ground rules with Dazarel about what does and does not constitute proper behavior.

[X][CHIBI] He can be out in front of saiyans, and reveal himself only to humans you personally approve. Garenhulders are easy to convince about new things being old, but you don't want to have to en masse, and if the scouts pick up a TV broadcast where the insolent lizard showed his face, and broadcast it to the wrong person...
 
I understand the worry that Dandeer might have noticed something about Jaffur, but the text about her leaving doesn't really scream to me that she's noticed anything unusual:
PoptartProdigy said:
Dandeer is absent -- you feel her flying off home in a ball of sullen resentment and frustration.
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Balls of sullen resentment and frustration don't really pair well with rushing home because she's noticed something might be wrong with Jaffur's seal. I would be more worried if she was showing some sort of panic, surprise, or unusual hurry. Remember she isn't the most stable of individuals, and that the seal on her family is probably one of the only things holding her together. She's likely to have an intense reaction to anything that she sees as legitimately threatening it.

That said, on the vote side, I'm all for ground rules immediately and strict social regulation to begin with. Loosening up to allow him to interact with all saiyans should be something he has to earn beyond his adorable genocidal screeching/flame burping.

[X] [AFTER] Lay down some ground rules with Dazarel about what does and does not constitute proper behavior.
[X][CHIBI] He is to be refused all contact with people save on your sufferance. You're not going to refuse to give him any contact -- assuming solitary confinement even works on him like it does on saiyans or humans -- but you're going to personally vet each and every conversation he has.
 
[X] [AFTER] Lay down some ground rules with Dazarel about what does and does not constitute proper behavior.
[X] [AFTER] Go visit the Misfits. You need to tell your other friends what's going on.

[X][CHIBI] He is to be refused all contact with people save on your sufferance. You're not going to refuse to give him any contact -- assuming solitary confinement even works on him like it does on saiyans or humans -- but you're going to personally vet each and every conversation he has.

I was in favor of a softer touch with the sealing, because that is very final no matter which way we went.
Now that he is aware that we are a soft touch we're going to need to be a bit firm to make sure he understands that doing things is still very much a privilege. Also, for now he's still a security hazard; it's just gone from 'planet sized' to 'diplomatic'.
Velvet glove, iron fist. Once he's a little more tractable we can move him from that to something more reasonable. But it's going to be awhile yet before we flaunt our new pet dragon to the squishy paranoid humans.
 
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[X] [AFTER] Go visit the Misfits. You need to tell your other friends what's going on.

[X][CHIBI] He is to be refused all contact with people save on your sufferance. You're not going to refuse to give him any contact -- assuming solitary confinement even works on him like it does on saiyans or humans -- but you're going to personally vet each and every conversation he has.
 
Sorry PoptartProdigy, I didn't realize it was that much of a spoiler since all of it had already been mentioned in the thread before, iirc. I will try to be more careful in the future.
 
tehspooniestbard said:
Balls of sullen resentment and frustration don't really pair well with rushing home because she's noticed something might be wrong with Jaffur's seal. I would be more worried if she was showing some sort of panic, surprise, or unusual hurry. Remember she isn't the most stable of individuals, and that the seal on her family is probably one of the only things holding her together. She's likely to have an intense reaction to anything that she sees as legitimately threatening it.
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Firstly, she may consider the situation to not be an immediate threat and still consider it a problem. Given that Garenhulder mages think a seal like the one on Dazarel is 'straightforward,' but that the seal on Jaffur is apparently a complicated one only a master sorceress like Dandeer could create... Dandeer may think the seal just needs a tune-up or something.

Or she may notice something after she gets home. Or... we don't know.

But this is legitimately one of the few time-critical problems we have right now, and it's one where prompt action might avert some kind of disaster, albeit perhaps an unlikely disaster. So I think it's reasonable to support trying to do something about it.
 
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