We get it, the ending of SVTFOE was bad and poorly thought through!! Stop justifying a manhunt for a teenager with clean hands!!!
As much as I want to reprimand him, he has a point.


I'm not justifying a manhunt, just saying to go easy on him and not throw him to the sun, the magical creatures ironically owe their lives to him of all people, so just imprison him for all eternity or until he reforms, whichever comes first.
 
I'm not justifying a manhunt, just saying to go easy on him and not throw him to the sun, the magical creatures ironically owe their lives to him of all people, so just imprison him for all eternity or until he reforms, whichever comes first.
What do you think throwing him into the sun is supposed to do? He's apparently immortal so the sun is just a high security prison to ensure he doesn't escape until he reforms. Or until he is rendered into his constituent molecules. Which might still have some degree of Toffee-ness and could potentially be "re-formed".

Honestly I think the latter reformation is more likely.
 
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Vae Victis
Vae Victis

Xanatos was beaten. All that was left was to make his defeat official. It was an unusual thing, even rare, but it was hardly a unique occurrence.

Well, official for the three people who knew about it. After all, the simplest way to have a reputation for invincibility was to never let people know for sure he had ever lost.

When Doctor Heinz Doofenshmirtz first bought up 80% of the tinfoil in the United States, surprisingly few people actually took notice and even fewer cared. 'Companies buy unusual things all the time, why would Doofenshmirtz Evil Inc be any different? He probably has some use for it.'

For Xanatos and those closest to him, noticing the preparations of the 'Pharmacist from Danville' and making wagers on what crazy scheme he would pull out next was a simple amusement, a pleasant diversion from the more serious things in life.

This time, though speculation had run rampant as the imagination behind those two spectacular intellects came up with scenario after scenario, the final wager between Xanatos and his significant other had been simple:

Would the Doofenshmirtz plan involve tinfoil hats?

Whether a multitude of hats, enough for everyone in the Tri-State Area, an attempt to make the worlds largest tinfoil hat, or some other means, such as a fashion line of tinfoil clothing, it all counted.

Xanatos said yes. Fox said no, proclaiming it to be something far more ludicrious.

Looking out at the New York skyline and seeing the familiar sight covered up by a truly preposterous amount of tinfoil, they both knew who had won.

Fox pretended not to be smug.

Xanatos pretended not to notice.

It was all part of the tradition surrounding this little ritual.

With a long-suffering sigh that only served to betray the deep affection the man felt, Xanatos reached out, grabbed an object and dramatically slid it across the table until it reached the position before Fox.

Fox reached up over her shoulder, closed her hand around the spoon held by their faithful butler, and began to eat the large bowl of chocolate pudding.

She practically purred while eating it. It was delicious, as they all knew it would be. Among his many other talents, Owen was a genius culinary chef.

Defeated and humbled, yet not broken, Xanatos took his own (considerably smaller) bowl and got to eating. The dessert continued in silence, with only a brief distraction when the giant mass of tinfoil was suddenly pulled west.

(None of the trio noticed the rollercoaster car flying past.)

(In either direction.)

It's been ages since I saw any Gargoyles so I didn't trust I had a good enough handle on the characters to write dialogue, so consider this a silent omake.

I don't have too much else to say about this, just had a flash of inspiration for how Xanatos might amuse himself in his personal life when someone requested it.

Because when all the world's a stage, why not laugh at the clowns?
 
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Doofenshmirtz turns 47 in the series proper, and that all takes place in one summer, so even if it was after the PoD he's passed it since we started in January. It's been 2 summers since, so he's either 49 or just about to turn 49.
[grunts]

OK fair. Again, my familiarity with the source material is... sparse.

Still, even if Shego is fully twenty years younger, I think she has more than enough force of character to hold her own in that relationship. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure we have never seen Shego easily manipulated except when under the influence of mind control. And while Doof can be charming, he's pretty bad at manipulating anything except for manipulating nemeses into COMPLETELY EXPECTED positions where they can be trapped.

What do you think throwing him into the sun is supposed to do? He's apparently immortal so the sun is just a high security prison to ensure he doesn't escape until he reforms. Or until he is rendered into his constituent molecules. Which might still have some degree of Toffee-ness and could potentially be "re-formed".

Honestly I think the latter reformation is more likely.
Given the temperature and root mean square velocity of the ions That Once Were Toffee after he's been bathing in stellar temperature plasma for any length of time, those atoms would need some pretty impressive luck to get a chance to reassemble.

Picture taking a huge container the size of a house, half-full of black pebbles, being shaken up aggressively by a couple of giants. Now, throw a handful of white pebbles into the container. Wait a week.

Yeah, those white pebbles aren't coming back together.

Plus, if they do, they're still plasma; they have no internal cohesion to move or do anything a body normally does. And even if they did, they're physically inside the sun, and have to somehow attain a velocity of about 600 kilometers per second to escape the sun; its gravity well is very deep.
 
Given the temperature and root mean square velocity of the ions That Once Were Toffee after he's been bathing in stellar temperature plasma for any length of time, those atoms would need some pretty impressive luck to get a chance to reassemble.

Picture taking a huge container the size of a house, half-full of black pebbles, being shaken up aggressively by a couple of giants. Now, throw a handful of white pebbles into the container. Wait a week.

Yeah, those white pebbles aren't coming back together.

Plus, if they do, they're still plasma; they have no internal cohesion to move or do anything a body normally does. And even if they did, they're physically inside the sun, and have to somehow attain a velocity of about 600 kilometers per second to escape the sun; its gravity well is very deep.

On the one hand, yes. On the other hand, given that throwing him into the realm of magic magic him semi-merge with it, and that, as scientists say, "magic be wack yo" this feels like how we get an evil lizard-sun.
 
Does Septarian regeneration require original molecules? I haven't seen much of the show beyond clips posted here, but one did show someone I assumed to be a being of a similar type to Toffee fully regenerating their arm after it was bit off, without reattaching the arm. This implies to me that he would regenerate from a core, whether his heart or brain or something like a soul, however that would work, not reform from molecules.
 
[grunts]

OK fair. Again, my familiarity with the source material is... sparse.

Still, even if Shego is fully twenty years younger, I think she has more than enough force of character to hold her own in that relationship. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure we have never seen Shego easily manipulated except when under the influence of mind control. And while Doof can be charming, he's pretty bad at manipulating anything except for manipulating nemeses into COMPLETELY EXPECTED positions where they can be trapped.
The half-plus-seven rule says that if Heinz is 48, a 31 year old Shego is old enough for it not to be weird.
 
[grunts]

OK fair. Again, my familiarity with the source material is... sparse.

Still, even if Shego is fully twenty years younger, I think she has more than enough force of character to hold her own in that relationship. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure we have never seen Shego easily manipulated except when under the influence of mind control. And while Doof can be charming, he's pretty bad at manipulating anything except for manipulating nemeses into COMPLETELY EXPECTED positions where they can be trapped.
That's about right. Like, he's clearly got some serious dating game, between Charlene and Linda and whatever her name was from "evil love," but mastermind he is not.

That's true of Shego as well.
Does Septarian regeneration require original molecules? I haven't seen much of the show beyond clips posted here, but one did show someone I assumed to be a being of a similar type to Toffee fully regenerating their arm after it was bit off, without reattaching the arm. This implies to me that he would regenerate from a core, whether his heart or brain or something like a soul, however that would work, not reform from molecules.
Not the soul. People tried that on Toffee, he got it back.
 
Hrmmm, would my back up plan of stealing his body and being an Immortal Lizard Doof work, or would, like, his mind/soul regenerate and force us out?
 
On the one hand, yes. On the other hand, given that throwing him into the realm of magic magic him semi-merge with it, and that, as scientists say, "magic be wack yo" this feels like how we get an evil lizard-sun.
I think you're right. Lob him at Jupiter instead. All the crushing, all the gravity, (nothing to prevent him from getting to the center of that tootsie roll pop), high winds, ammonia clouds...but none of the discorporation.
 
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Hrmmm, would my back up plan of stealing his body and being an Immortal Lizard Doof work, or would, like, his mind/soul regenerate and force us out?
I mean, he's sucessfully taken over people before, like when he possessed Ludo, so I'd rather not risk it, and in any case, if we're in a position to do that to him, we're also in a position to just throw him in jail.
 
I think you're right. Lob him at Jupiter instead. All the crushing, all the gravity, none of the discorporation.
I mean, he's sucessfully taken over people before, like when he possessed Ludo, so I'd rather not risk it, and in any case, if we're in a position to do that to him, we're also in a position to just throw him in jail.

You know, we are pretty close to unlocking Space Travel Tech.

Jupiter Prison for the super high danger level prisoners?
 
I think you're right. Lob him at Jupiter instead. All the crushing, all the gravity, (nothing to prevent him from getting to the center of that tootsie roll pop), high winds, ammonia clouds...but none of the discorporation.

Or he gets bathed in THE POWER and comes back even stronger.

Look, I know Disney hasn't done overly much with Jupiter, but I keep seeing anime wherein Jupiter is like ultra fucking evil and I worry.

If we're going for practicality, we can just put it on earth. If we want the supervillain A E S T H E T I C, though, it 100% has to be a space station.

Just remember, learn from old Cave Johnson and make sure your space prison has doors, like, real doors, with actual locks, so that you don't get shanked when the power goes out.
 
Again Toffee isn't that immortal, his old boss I believe has his regeneration weakened due to old age. The only reason he could do that whole magic thing was a lot of planing and getting into the realm of magic.
 
Or he gets bathed in THE POWER and comes back even stronger.

Look, I know Disney hasn't done overly much with Jupiter, but I keep seeing anime wherein Jupiter is like ultra fucking evil and I worry.



Just remember, learn from old Cave Johnson and make sure your space prison has doors, like, real doors, with actual locks, so that you don't get shanked when the power goes out.
For that matter, Saturn would probably work too. I'm not picky. Or just straight up yeeting him right out of the solar system. Shove him into a space probe and send that sucker to the far reaches of the galaxy.
 
Again Toffee isn't that immortal, his old boss I believe has his regeneration weakened due to old age. The only reason he could do that whole magic thing was a lot of planing and getting into the realm of magic.
Gotta say, being able to live for hundreds of years and regenerate from anything short of magical annihilation or a spell tailor-made to kill anything at the cost of slightly damning your soul is pretty immortal.
 
For that matter, Saturn would probably work too. I'm not picky. Or just straight up yeeting him right out of the solar system. Shove him into a space probe and send that sucker to the far reaches of the galaxy.
If we're going that route, let's just shoot him into a black hole. Immortal or not, nothing escapes the event horizon.
 
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