In regards to some comments I read earlier about rejoining the government affecting the DCs of certain actions- there might be a few things that get harder, but conversely, other things would get easier as well.
 
Welp..

Seems us knocking out Syndrome caused a mass diagram shift with supers coming into the forefront.. and everyone taking advantage of the situation to further their agendas...
 
i think we should research climate controlled environments. That way we have a visible reason for why we said no.
 
Inators to distract myself from sad Janna

The Good:
The Number-8-Combo-Inator: Every meal served in Doofania next round comes with a side salad and medium soda.​
Mechanically: Bump in public approval and martial rolls get +1 due to sugar and vitamins.​

The Bad:
The Royal-With-Cheese-Inator: Carl is upset with you.​
Mechanically: Dip in public approval and intrigue rolls get -1 because everyone is too weirded out by a video of Monogram eating cheese to focus.​
 
I'm a little confused about what Toffee could have done to piss Janna of this much since Star is almost certainly alive, he isn't the kind of guy to go for collateral damage to civilian casualties and she was pretty happily living in what is probably his, earth side, capitol city

I'm also slightly annoyed that we're almost certainly going to have to give up teaming up with arguably one of the most reasonable Kings, with a totally legitimate reason for his villainy, because Janna has a grudge against him for some reason
Going to hard disagree on putting mirage on anything but her look into wayward supers action this turn. We're rather behind the game, there, and Mirage's advantage with Stewardship over our other units is not exactly overwhelming.
Taking loyalty bonuses into account she has 7 points over Hego, who is our next highest discounting Wile E.

Depending on the stats of our new Intrigue hero I'd be willing have Mirgae on the super action instead and have Hego on the social media action but I don't think we should dismiss it out of hand
If we wait for Chicken Itza and the Castle before Xanadu, that's three, maybe four turns of delay. With Occult goodies, potential relation to Cipher, and the fact that we don't have to spend National Actions on it, that's more than I'm willing to wait.
Bill is almost certainly an endgame threat, I doubt he's going to start causing problems in the next three turns
And I'd hardly call going into Xanadu now half-cocked, especially if we throw in Max (apologies in advance) for the Doof Troop bonus and to get some more Diplo, Stewardship, and Learning online. With Jenna's +27, along with Khan's -10 to DCs, we're hardly unlikely to pass Occult rolls, and when we fail, and trigger traps or what have you, well, Martial forgives many sins.
We could build a semi decent team but we also have plenty of other things to focus on which will occupy the time of most of our best heroes and Janna only gets +22 and need I remind you how much we got fucked up by barely missing the DC on our last quest and that was with a far higher bonus

Xanadu will probably have a lot more magic than the temple and a lot harder to pass DC's as well
It got plenty of use helping the Toon Team dodge traps, after all, not just fight Storkules.
It helped them dodge physical traps not magic ones and they could survive the failed magic traps much better because they were all Toons
As for Alchemy, if you're so concerned about it, assign Dennis to it. Critfails can't keep a toon down, and enough DC 80 rolls will eventually succeed. (Specifically, with max XP, there's a ~50% chance of managing it in two shots, and a 2/3 chance of doing it in three.)
Just because Dennis can't be seriously injured doesn't mean it couldn't fuck us over in other ways and why bother taking that risk, especially when we'd need to spend XP on it just to maybe get a 50% chance at passing over two turns not even considering what the odds of s crit fail would be, when we can just assign Janna to it
 
hm.. I'm inclined not to take ether options yet. Just send the deal to our legal department to go over it with a fine tooth comb and have it get "lost in the Bureaucracy". IE tell them off the record to misfile it after they look it over and insure it never reaches our desk again.

EDIT: plus it's more evil to leave it in limbo
 
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I'm a little confused about what Toffee could have done to piss Janna of this much since Star is almost certainly alive, he isn't the kind of guy to go for collateral damage to civilian casualties and she was pretty happily living in what is probably his, earth side, capitol city
Marco. It's gotta be Marco. As for living in "Toffee's" city, until Max met her she didn't exactly have a way out.

I'm also of the opinion that we should burn that card.
 
Yeah, the dude is a notorious traitor. One of the very few things I know about him is that he betrayed someone he was working for when they, I think, had more or less the same goals and the same enemies.

Morality aside, and say what you will about Evil and Villainy but Doof has line's he doesn't cross and that's targeting teenage girls, I flat out wouldn't trust him not to betray us the moment he'd find it advantageous.

The dude's shady.
He didn't just betray him. He joined that person in the first place with the sole intent to co-opt his entire organization and place it under his own, much more effective control.

He succeeded in half a season.
 
He didn't just betray him. He joined that person in the first place with the sole intent to co-opt his entire organization and place it under his own, much more effective control.

He succeeded in half a season.
To be fair, Ludo was the epitome of a saturday morning cartoon villain. I will say though; any deal where Toffee holds most of the cards is a bad deal.
 
Considering I've been of the opinion that Toffee is a ticking timebomb that will turn on us when it suits him, can't say I find the deal all that appealing. Last thing we want is to be dependent on his crops when we are arguably doing well and will be getting even more land in the future.
Tbf, if Toffee was really serious about helping with the famine then he would already use his own resources to sell food. No need to approach us for joint-deal when an immediate, independent venture is possible with the Earthside land he already owns.
 
Yeah, the dude is a notorious traitor. One of the very few things I know about him is that he betrayed someone he was working for when they, I think, had more or less the same goals and the same enemies.

Morality aside, and say what you will about Evil and Villainy but Doof has line's he doesn't cross and that's targeting teenage girls, I flat out wouldn't trust him not to betray us the moment he'd find it advantageous.

The dude's shady.

Also, like, he's flat out one of the King's I most want to fail.

Him, Doom, and Syndrome are all my three least favorite factions, because all three of them are actively trying to make the world more boring. Doom's end goal, Toon genocide; Syndrome's, Cape genocide (Happy he already lost); Toffy, No more magic. All three of them are actively trying to make the world less exciting, less colorful, less ... magical, metaphorically and literally.

Sure, this applies to Flordia ... but everyone's going to fight them once they realize what's up. No one's down for being mind controlled. Florida and Bill are going to be fought just by the nature of what they are, so I don't have to worry about them succeeding. Toffy, Syndrome, Doom, any of them could have won just from pure no one except somehow literally only Shego caring enough to stop one of them.

Might as well try and get star.

When we refuse Toffee is going to be annoyed with us anyway.

Plus, you know, it'd be nice to expand and I don't think Star's particularly interested in playing King in America when she has a whole other dimension to rule.

Toffy is basically the one faction that has land adjacent to us that I think we could and would actually yoink. I don't think any of us really want to fight Shego, the plan with the northern robots are diplomacy because robots are cool, we plan to destroy Doom but the Zaibatsu is between us and them so we can't 100% integrate it directly it into our territory without throwing down with the Zaibatsu and I can't imagine America will be willing to let us have California, which is, if I recall right, a state with a bigger GDP then France.

Toffy's land is basically the only place we can go if we want to become a bigger nation. Plus side, unlikely to make us non-Toffy enemies as basically no one knows he rules it. Some opinion loss from the US as that's more states seceding, but, well, it's not California and we still pay taxes, we can figure out a bribe for them. I don't know, we could offer to figure out how to fix the Dustbowl in exchange for Toffy's territory?

He didn't just betray him. He joined that person in the first place with the sole intent to co-opt his entire organization and place it under his own, much more effective control.

He succeeded in half a season.

Yeah, 100% don't trust him. I'm very happy that the masquerade is strong on him that even most of the kings don't know he exists, once we are strong enough I don't think anyone will care about us just throwing the dude into the sun, which is the only real way to deal with these tricky intrigue dudes.

Agreed with this sentiment. Until we get at least three occult hero I say we don't join up with him.

I say we just don't join up with him. We are at a serious risk of running out of enemies. Syndrome already lost, Doom is still doing alright but he's making the same mistake Syndrome did in relying on a robot army and he's worse with tech then Syndrome is, I'm not convinced we don't beat him in one go by just stealth reprogramming his boats and just defeating him with his own forces. Considering half of the North is just gone, California is basically like half of the economy at this point, the US won't react well to us bankrupting the US.

We need an enemy to fight. That, is Toffy.
 
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Toffy's land is basically the only place we can go if we want to become a bigger nation. Plus side, unlikely to make us non-Toffy enemies as basically no one knows he rules it. Some opinion loss from the US as that's more states seceding, but, well, it's not California and we still pay taxes, we can figure out a bribe for them. I don't know, we could offer to figure out how to fix the Dustbowl in exchange for Toffy's territory?
If we do take Toffee out, do you think we could trade some of his territory to Shego for the rest of Colorado? We could finally rule the entire Tri-State area!

It's not like her brother lives there any more, though she still might be attached to it as the former residence of her (probably deceased) nemesis.
 
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