@Made in Heaven if we have Jumba work on alien tech while he has "Sated Science" does he lose it or does it carry over to the next turn?
DoofQuest- a Disney Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest
- Thread starter Made in Heaven
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- Crossover
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Whether heroes are alive or dead depends on the series and the context.
There are a few settings built into DVV Modern where we have clear pictures of what happened to the protagonists.
There are three 'heroes' in Phineas and Ferb: Phineas, Ferb, and Perry the Platypus. The first two are alive because the villain didn't have to kill them (or even be aware of them) to triumph. The third is dead, but not by the villain's intent- Dr. Doofenshmirtz would surely have settled for keeping him imprisoned, if only he had a way to do so.
In Star versus the Forces of Evil, we now have reason to think the protagonist, Star, is alive and active- even though the main villain of the first two seasons, Toffee, is alive and well and probably has good reason to want her dead.
In Kim Possible, we have reason to think Ron Stoppable is dead. Kim's fate remains unknown.
That's... about it, really. In most other settings we don't have clues, or at least not strong ones, to the fate of the protagonists.
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The most likely guide is "what would the villains do or need to do, in the process of winning?"
For example, in Who Framed Roger Rabbit, the villain is murderous and has it in for the toons personally. His plans revolved around killing Roger Rabbit. So if he 'succeeded' and is now powerful in Los Angeles, then it is overwhelmingly likely that Roger Rabbit is dead. Eddie Valiant and Jessica Rabbit may be dead too, or they may not. We don't know- but Judge Doom would certainly have killed either or both of them if he got the chance.
By contrast, we have the opposite extreme. In Gargoyles, Xanatos would probably have honestly been happier with the gargoyles alive than dead, as long as they stopped foiling his plans. He may well have taken steps to neutralize them that left some or all of them alive, though on the flip side of that I imagine some of the gargoyles would have preferred to die fighting than to let him win. But a 'win' that left him in control of the situation, some or even all of the gargoyles would probably have survived, albeit in a condition that left them unable or unwilling to continue resisting his rule.
Then there are intermediate cases.
Flintheart Glomgold has a known, canonical willingness to kill Scrooge McDuck so that Glomgold can claim the title of "world's richest duck." It is absolutely possible that Glomgold did so. But at the same time, Glomgold would still feel like he'd won, would have beaten McDuck if he somehow reduced McDuck to penury and arranged matters so that he'd stay there- because then Glomgold could gloat. So Scrooge McDuck is kind of a Schroedinger's Duck in this situation; he could be either alive or dead as far as we now know.
Shego couldn't have gotten into her current position without Kim Possible putting up a fight, and it's very likely that Shego killed her in that fight. But given the two's relationship... Well, if Kim survived and was somehow incapacitated, or if some other sequence of events somehow took her out of the picture, Shego probably wouldn't have gone out of her way to finish her off. Probably. Kim might be alive or dead as far as we know, though we have reason to think Ron is dead.
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In the case of Lilo and Stitch, Jumba didn't specifically want Lilo dead and probably took no special effort to seal her fate. On the other hand, from the sound of it, he wouldn't have been too upset if some unfolding sequence of events killed her off in the process of subduing Stitch. It's kind of a toss-up. On the other hand, this suggests that if Lilo was placed in deadly peril, she was in it alongside of Stitch, who would do everything in his power to save her. So I'd say her chances of having survived her experiences are, on the whole, pretty good.
Given that Riley wasn't like that before she moved from Minnesota to California, I don't agree with your assessment. None of the five personified emotions have a monopoly on empathy, and Joy certainly isn't exempt from it. What Joy is bad at is that when she's dominant over Riley's personality, Riley represses sad thoughts. That doesn't equate to being 'maniacal' or unempathic... It just means she had problems with repression. Given that she was growing up with two loving parents in a reasonably comfortable environment (well, it'd be zaibatsu-dominated San Fransokyo here, but San Fransokyo isn't THAT bad a place to live)... she'd probably be okay-ish? Just, y'know, repressed.
But I'm actually fairly serious in my interpretation of Inside Out as a story without a villain; not all stories need one. Sometimes the struggle is "protagonist versus nature," not "protagonist versus antagonist." Inside Out is best read as a story of two main characters (Joy and Sadness) who initially don't get along together well learning to work together to survive a disaster that threatens to overtake their world (Riley moving to California).
Jumba strikes me as self-aggrandizing enough that when he's dealing with people he's just met, he will always call whichever creation he deploys in front of their eyes "his greatest creation."
The captain might have words on the difference between 'live' and 'survive' in that case.
I think we should start with space exploration before conquering anything, but we should probably take several turns to secure our groundside position, get all our double-action actions in place, and in general entrench before we start Doofenshmirtz Evil Space Program.
...625 will eat all of everyone's sandwiches. Including Dennis' sandwiches.
...And Pleakley will defeat Genghis Khan at basketball.
Dennis is pretty unlikely to wind up in mortal danger, since so far as we know, the only thing that can kill him is a hellbrew of concentrated paint thinning solvents.
- Location
- Florida
To add one to the definetly dead pile..
Mr Incredible is probably dead via omni-droid, Syndrome won and he pretty much had Mr Incredible dead to rights in the movie so...
- Location
- washington
while thats true some of said family could of survived. though the majority is likely dead. jack jack is probably alive and I could see dash or violet surviving though their more likely to be dead.
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- I He Him His
That depends entirely on how Syndrome won. The first time he almost had Mr. Incredible in the movie it was hiding behind the dead body that allowed him to escape. If Buddy was more genre savvy here he could have assumed no body means still alive rather than presume he drowned. In that case if he kills Mr. Incredible, finds the distress signal, and destroys it before it can be activated, then Helen has no idea where he is. Remember before she found him she thought he was having an affair. No way to track him reads less like danger at that point and more like he ran off with another woman. Since Buddy had no idea Elastigirl is Helen at that point he has no incentive to check up on that family. And since Helen would have thought Bob ran off once Kronos begins its terrible reign she has no incentive to stick around. It is highly likely the Parr family is in Draktech lands if this is the case.
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- United States
Excellent quest so far and I look forward to seeing the other changes caused. On another note for those talking about the Moon, does this quest use the old or new DuckTales? If it uses the new, I would like to bring up that depending on at what point in the story the villains won we could be dealing with at least Lunaris along with who knows what else. I don't particularly remember anyone else who lives/bases on the Moon but that could be my memory failing me.
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- washington
I'm not going to say your wrong or thats in any way impossible. But, you do know thats a lot of leaps right? Overall its probably different from what both of us guessed.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Yes.
The point remains, there are a lot of scenarios in which Mr. Incredible dies, but his entire immediate family survives.
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Bob might not have taken the distress signal device with him to Syndrome's island.
Syndrome's Omni-Droid could have finished Bob off faster, so that the distress signal never got triggered.
Helen might have, for whatever reason, not responded to the distress signal in time.
After learning that Violet and Dash were aboard, Helen might have veered off from the rescue attempt in an attempt to protect her children, and not gotten back to the island until it was too late and she knew, somehow, that Bob was already dead.
Helen and the children might have been shot down, evaded capture, and escaped the island.
The whole family might have been captured, with Mr. Incredible either dying during the escape attempt or deliberately giving his life to ensure it would succeed.
The entire plot of the movie could have played out in exactly the same way except that for whatever reason, Mr. Incredible died in the final battle, and Syndrome did not; circumstances and the sheer volume of media attention would make it impractical for him to kill off the rest of the Parrs even if he knew everything about their identity and saw them as enemies.
- Location
- Somewhere.
Could just be that Bob Parr is still just an agent for Insuricare, even. We don't...actually know.
- Location
- Wherever I feel like being
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- He/Him
It wasn't a distress signal, it was a built-in tracker that Helen activated from her end. I think the light and sound was because it was to aid in recovery if lost in debris of a super fight or a natural disaster. Just a minor quibble.
Well, the sequels have antagonists, which mean that Woody is probably now in a museum in Japan. Which granted isn't that bad. Also Sunnyside would be the exact same as in the beginning of the movie.
Also funny tought that come to mind is Bug's Life in this reality. Hopper would be the least important King ever.
Edit: I wonder what kind of villains would be in Japan. I don't know any disney properties that take place there.
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- At the end of the world
Monster INC?
daedalus725
Kell of Kells, godking of Planet X
- Location
- Daedalus crater, The moon
We also have Gary jumba would love Gary
weredrago2
"Cowabunga, Shadow the Hedgehog..."
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- Florida
DoofQuest uses the Uncle Scrooge comics first and pulls from either Ducktales second. The original Ducktales slides in better but the reboot had some fun ideas that can be ported back into DoofQuest.
- Location
- Germany
Funfact:
*Inside Out* was originally planned to have a main antagonist in the form of Gloom - essentially a personification of that black, all-consuming force of depression Riley falls prey to during the movie.
Ultimately though, Gloom was dropped and replaced by just that dark shroud descending over Rileys mind, because the writing team got worried that personifying Depression and having it get defeated like is standard in story would cheapen its impact and ridicule people suffering from it as "being too weak to defeat it"
Gloom
Gloom is a deleted character from Inside Out. Gloom is an emotion that was proposed for the movie Inside Out, but was deleted before the final movie. Gloom is a mysterious and dark character. He only appears as an antagonistic and invisible force, literally as a hidden shadow. He may come from...
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Gloom
Gloom is the main antagonist in an early version of Disney/Pixar's 2015 animated feature film, Inside Out. He was going to grow bigger in size as he becomes more powerful inside Riley's mind. Early concepts of him can be seen in The Art of Inside Out book.
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As for other verses, I think that for Zootopia, it depends where the timeline branched off, with three/four very likely Points of Divergence being:
- Judy never making the connection between Otterton and Nick, therefore never getting her investigation running. That would probably result in her missing Bogos deadline (what do you think happened to him and especially the preds on the force, btw?) and getting fired like he threatened. As for Nick, in this timeline he might have gone down a similar road like he did in the scrapped "Zystopia" script where the TAME collars are from, meaning that he might have come to build the illicit "Wilde Times" amusement park as a way for both making a quick buck outta it and help his fellow preds feel free again.
- Judy and Nick dying during their investigation (either by getting iced by Mr. Big - maybe in this sub-timeline, Judy never got to save Fru-Fru and therefore never giving the Don a reason to show leniency towards her? - or by getting mauled by Manchas; a third possibility would be them not being able to hide at Cliffside Asylum and getting "silenced" by Lionheart shortly before he gets kicked outta business by Bellwethers machinations)
- Nick actually going savage in the Museum and killing Judy, before being used by Bellwether as a staging borad for her collars.
Honestly, out of those possibilites I like the first the most, because it doesn´t required either hero to die (meaning that theoretically, they could come back from the brink with outside help) and also because I see it using a lot of ideas from the Zystopia script, which many fans have been very interested in.
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- Southampton, Great Britain
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- He/Him
Belonging to a franchise owned by someone other than Disney from what I can tell.
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weredrago2
"Cowabunga, Shadow the Hedgehog..."
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- Florida
Saturday Mourning. One of the side settings under my curating.
- Location
- Pennsylvania
I'm planning on doing the rolls for the next set of actions later tonight and putting them up before Birds of a Feather starts- if you'd like to use XP on any of them, let me know.
- Location
- California,USA
Sir I have an Omake written here and I want to get some more feedback, Do noncanon Omakes give XP because I have 100 Xp to use from one of them.
Though I just want to use it, and have no idea what action to put it in.
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- The UK
If anyone is the villain, Joy is. She's the main antagonistic force, and the situation would be worse if she originally got her way.
EDIT: Not sure about Gridlocked, but in the main DVV, Woody himself is the antagonist who got his ways, and serves a similar role to Lotso.
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- Germany
So, in main DVV continuity they essentially used Black-Friday-Reel!Woody? Fair enough
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- I He Him His
I would like to use my exp whatever the amount to lower the DC for Toontown Railroad. I think I have 500 exp but I am not sure.
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- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
I personally take Inside Out as more a metaphorical look into the mental processes rather than a universe where everyone's mind is literally made up of little emotion gremlins.
weredrago2
"Cowabunga, Shadow the Hedgehog..."
- Location
- Florida
Wrong on both accounts. One of the NPCs in the Kings & Villains document in Classic I did is more or less an adaption of Sheriff Woody as a human cowboy in the Wild West. He is working with Alameda Slim reluctantly, and you can read between the lines to figure out it wouldn't last very long. It's why he's listed as an NPC rather than a villain.