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I feel that there should be a mechanic that lessens the effect of critical failures. As in a sort of scale based on how risky the move was and how badly it was failed, so you can sort them into categories like hurricanes or put them on the Richter scale.

If I'm repeating what other people have said, sorry, genuinely. I really like the quest, and reading it inspires me to write myself, but seeing people get frustrated with the disproportional good and bad that comes with crit successes and failures makes me want to try offer at least a token of help.
 
Penguinbowler said:
Honestly I wouldn't mind just making a deal with the Feds for her release. I want Ludivine back but a Jailbreak is pretty insane.
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The feds can't exactly pull strings to have evidence go missing or engage in prosecutorial discretion when the crime is this public. It would undermine their own authority and perception of legitimacy.
 
MrCogmor said:
People were explicitly warned not to send him in the elevator but most voters kept voting for the schmuck bait option anyway. It would be strange if it didn't have negative consequences. You might argue that the schmuck bait shouldn't have been available in the first place but I don't think there would be much point.
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There was also the formatting error that made things a bit more confusing than what you're saying but go off I guess.
 
Magpy said:
I feel that there should be a mechanic that lessens the effect of critical failures. As in a sort of scale based on how risky the move was and how badly it was failed, so you can sort them into categories like hurricanes or put them on the Richter scale.

If I'm repeating what other people have said, sorry, genuinely. I really like the quest, and reading it inspires me to write myself, but seeing people get frustrated with the disproportional good and bad that comes with crit successes and failures makes me want to try offer at least a token of help.
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I mean, I think there certainly is, it's just implied. A crit fail on Flubber was much worse than the one on the Retreat, and so on and so forth.
 
MrCogmor said:
The feds can't exactly pull strings to have evidence go missing or engage in prosecutorial discretion when the crime is this public. It would undermine their own authority and perception of legitimacy.
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I doubt it would be easy mind you, but the Feds can absolutely get Ludivine out of prison if they cared to without to much damage to their PR, the Flubber explosion just blew up part of the council room, so they can simply say further investigations revealed that it wasn't Flubber but an experimental substance.
 
It's not like this was any old generic crit fail. It was a crit fail that unfortunately happened to be on the one thing where a crit fail is very bad indeed. Usually the penalties are much less than this.
And wasn't the whole mechanic with Ludivine that she randomly does an extra action? People knew at the time that there was a risk of flubber related mishaps?
 
Danel4d said:
It's not like this was any old generic crit fail. It was a crit fail that unfortunately happened to be on the one thing where a crit fail is very bad indeed. Usually the penalties are much less than this.
And wasn't the whole mechanic with Ludivine that she randomly does an extra action? People knew at the time that there was a risk of flubber related mishaps?
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We did, but previous questions on the discord had given the impression that we could put XP on those actions, at the very least, being warned when she rolled a 6.

Furthermore, Ludivine had herself vetoed this action during the vote, and although I wasn't one of those people, I can very much understand believing that she at least wouldn't wander onto the actions she herself had vetoed.
 
Penguinbowler said:
I doubt it would be easy mind you, but the Feds can absolutely get Ludivine out of prison if they cared to without to much damage to their PR, the Flubber explosion just blew up part of the council room, so they can simply say further investigations revealed that it wasn't Flubber but an experimental substance.
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She made a speech about how she'd prove flubber is perfectly safe before blowing herself up at a press conference. The whole thing is probably on national TV (unless the XP works). If the feds let it go they'd get eviscerated in the court of public opinion after all the anti-flubber propaganda they did to coverup Hawaii.
 
I think if we decided to play ball, they could come up with a pretext. Just say she'll be on a watchlist from now on, and she'll have to be assigned an official minder who'll prevent her from doing anything dangerous like that again.

On another note, I think I just found a job for Max after we remove him as a hero unit.
 
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Ok. So.

None of us wanted this when we set out to answer a few thread questions late last night.

First thing's first. Yes, you can spend XP on Ludivine's wander roll.

Thank christ for that.

In fact, I do believe I have some of my own XP still saved up from back in the day. Yeah. Let's use that.

That feels right.

Doing so brings Ludivine's action out of critical failure territory.

With that in mind. Flubber still happened. But a failed attempt at flubber is arguably the best way this could have gone. As such, rather than attempt to sweep this entire thing under a rug, we're giving you a pair of largely neutral options. Partially as a show of good faith and an attempt to put some control back in your hands, and partially because the whole reason we decided to post this in the first place last night (rather than sleeping on what to do) was that we were already halfway through plotting out a courtroom scene.

[] Close Ranks. Ludivine's experiment is considerably less public than previously stated. Focus on making sure Ludivine gets out of this and keeping her reputation clear. DEI shoulders some of the burden of guilt here, but Ludivine in appreciation gains +15 Loyalty permanent. Opinion drop still happens but will be recoverable. No collaboration DC increase.

[] Damage Control. Emphasize that nothing really happened, we're all fine, everything really isn't that bad. Chance Ludivine goes to jail if you don't spend a national on pulling her goose back out of the fire. DC a bit lower than Bonkers. DC on campaigning for Flubber decreased, no opinion penalties, no collab DC increase.

Less terse post coming after work if we can work up the enthusiasm.

Voting on this opens as soon as Goob closes, which will be tonight. On the goob front, sending him to the time police is valid write in. Just note that there is a chance he could end up lost in transit, this is cavendish and dakota we're talking about. If youre fine with like a 20% chance of that happening, go ahead.

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Simon_Jester said:
So... You're saying that if we just keep trying to stay emotionally invested in a long long streak of bad luck, we'll be reincarnated into a happier quest after some decades pass?
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*sigh* they're saying that you should play because you enjoy playing, not because you expect to win.

Stratagemini said:
(It was weird that Ludivine wandered to an item that she previously vetoed for instance, and while I agree that that's absolutely in character for her, that knowledge of her character wasn't something the thread at large was aware of).
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I hate to add to the negative mood because some people are just spiralling right now, but I did ask exactly that question, and I got an answer. When the update dropped, that is. Though in the interest of fairness, I think I asked the question after the vote was already closed, so it would not have changed anything.

In general, I think people are minimizing some of the good things that happened to us. You want an impactful crit success? Khan's existence. And that was Lovemuffin, back when DCs were low enough Lovemuffin could crit things.

Granted, we haven't gotten a Khan-level success since, well, Khan himself. But a lot of good things happened to us somewhat randomly. Tobe sort of just showing up one day and becoming an amazing Hero Unit, for one. Getting Dennis, and through him the Feldrake World Tour, out of a random action Khan did. Lizzy just showing up at our doorstep.
 
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Arathnorn said:
Voting on this opens as soon as Goob closes, which will be tonight. On the goob front, sending him to the time police is valid write in. Just note that there is a chance he could end up lost in transit, this is cavendish and dakota we're talking about. If youre fine with like a 20% chance of that happening, go ahead.
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Well, we just hit a 0.27% Chance of flubber. So I'm feeling Lucky! A 20% chance is far too high for us to hit! That's how dice work, right?

[X] Send Goob to the Time Police!
 
Closing Ranks seems better. No action locked in to save her bacom, and given we'll probably never do flubber normally anyway having the experiment be less public is favorable.

And I STILL don't know where the "delete flubber actions" personal we forgot to do was.
 
Arathnorn said:
[] Close Ranks. Ludivine's experiment is considerably less public than previously stated. Focus on making sure Ludivine gets out of this and keeping her reputation clear. DEI shoulders some of the burden of guilt here, but Ludivine in appreciation gains +15 Loyalty permanent. Opinion drop still happens but will be recoverable. No collaboration DC increase.

[] Damage Control. Emphasize that nothing really happened, we're all fine, everything really isn't that bad. Chance Ludivine goes to jail if you don't spend a national on pulling her goose back out of the fire. DC a bit lower than Bonkers. DC on campaigning for Flubber decreased, no opinion penalties, no collab DC decrease.
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Close Ranks I'd prefer, both for loyalty and keeping a national open. We should be able to recover PR pretty easilly without changing to much, specially with the Feds.
 
General_Urist said:
Closing Ranks seems better. No action locked in to save her bacom, and given we'll probably never do flubber normally anyway having the experiment be less public is favorable.

And I STILL don't know where the "delete flubber actions" personal we forgot to do was.
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In Mirage Turn, I think. They forgot to add it this turn. It was a write in therefore. Discussed sort of on and off on the thread and elsewhere.
 
General_Urist said:
Closing Ranks seems better. No action locked in to save her bacom, and given we'll probably never do flubber normally anyway having the experiment be less public is favorable.

And I STILL don't know where the "delete flubber actions" personal we forgot to do was.
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Write in, which we're definitely doing next turn. Though tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if Ludivine got a preference for 'No Flubber'.
 
Oh thank heavens.

A huge hit to opinions is so much more preferable than a huge opinion loss AND losing one of our best units and one of our favorite councilors. That's so much less devastating.

I'll gladly take the big opinion hit as that's perfectly reasonable for that to happen after a botched flubber experiment.

Oh man...

I'm so relieved. That's such a load off.

Next turn let's bury the flubber stuff in a vault until someone else exposes Hawaii.

General_Urist said:
And I STILL don't know where the "delete flubber actions" personal we forgot to do was.
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It was discussed as a write in and approved but I assume it was forgotten about since all the flubber actions were vetoed by the council.
 
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I am very thankful for the update and really do appreciate all the work our gamemasters put in, even when we overreact just a little to hitting a 0.27% chance.

Close Ranks is looking like the best option, but that is just my opinion, we will look like we're sheltering a toon from the consequences of working with a controlled substance which Doom will probably use against us, but Doom would use anything against us.

Also send Goob to the time cops. That sounds funny.

[X] Have Tobe take him to the time authorities.
 
I feel like, now that some time has passed, and the actual effects are less bad, I at least owe the QMs an apology. I might not have been one of the biggest naysayers, but I was being negative, and that was unfair. This is, ultimately, only a game, and sometimes that means that things don't go perfectly. We shouldn't get annoyed at the QMs, who are ultimately only human.
 
In defense of my initial reaction, I had just woken up for work so that was one of the first things I'd seen today.
 
Ok. Thank. The quest mods. Yes. If I remember to vote Def voting close ranks. I like our gender swapped clone. Also no flubber ever
 
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