That's not sapient AI though. We cannot build that. Sapient AI in this setting works by being treated as a person, so you can't create truly sapient AI and also have it be not a person.
I believe the point behind Prevent Unattended AI (Janus suggested action) is to make it so all our smart vacuums, etc are designed with software limits so they can't grow into being a person even if people treat them as one (unless we disable the software limits).
 
-[ ] Diplomacy: Guard Against Hats (Moseby)
--[ ] Write-in: Ban in Doofania, due to one you "tried" being "uncomfortable and glitchy"
Remember that our ability to ban things in Doofania is mostly based on people going along with what we say because it's funny and inconsequential, and also previously because it got them free food during a famine. The hats look genuinely useful and the famine is no longer a worry, so many people will just ignore us.

I think a better solution would be to bribe, lobby, or otherwise convince the Tri-State Area's government to mire the sale of the hats in red tape and safety regulations. It's how internet providers maintain their local monopolies, we can make it work for us.

I'm against a lot of minor details in this plan.

But definitely also against doing every single search for Star personal right now. We've barely scratched the surface of magic, and haven't even researched Basic Magic Theory yet, nor have done the Fairy Book. Considering finding Star is a global action, and these personals would reduce the DC Toffee has to find Star, I think we shouldn't fully commit until we are ready to face Toffee. And that means investing heavily in our magical knowledge and infrastructure.

We are still susceptible to people teleporting into our base!
Why would you assume that the DC of finding Star is the same for both us and Toffee? Unless he's infiltrated DEI very thoroughly, he's not going to be hearing about any leads we find.
 
I'm against a lot of minor details in this plan.

But definitely also against doing every single search for Star personal right now. We've barely scratched the surface of magic, and haven't even researched Basic Magic Theory yet, nor have done the Fairy Book. Considering finding Star is a global action, and these personals would reduce the DC Toffee has to find Star, I think we shouldn't fully commit until we are ready to face Toffee. And that means investing heavily in our magical knowledge and infrastructure.

We are still susceptible to people teleporting into our base!
To be fair, they do need to base a high DC check to even get in the city, but, yeah.

Remember that our ability to ban things in Doofania is mostly based on people going along with what we say because it's funny and inconsequential, and also previously because it got them free food during a famine. The hats look genuinely useful and the famine is no longer a worry, so many people will just ignore us.

I think a better solution would be to bribe, lobby, or otherwise convince the Tri-State Area's government to mire the sale of the hats in red tape and safety regulations. It's how internet providers maintain their local monopolies, we can make it work for us.


Why would you assume that the DC of finding Star is the same for both us and Toffee? Unless he's infiltrated DEI very thoroughly, he's not going to be hearing about any leads we find.
Because that's explicitly how it works? Searching for Star is a Global Action: Any DC reduction applies to anyone trying to do it.
 
But definitely also against doing every single search for Star personal right now. We've barely scratched the surface of magic, and haven't even researched Basic Magic Theory yet, nor have done the Fairy Book. Considering finding Star is a global action, and these personals would reduce the DC Toffee has to find Star, I think we shouldn't fully commit until we are ready to face Toffee. And that means investing heavily in our magical knowledge and infrastructure.
If you have another idea to allow Lizzy to bond with the Marcnificent Few (which, as was stated in The Best is Yet to Come, is an active problem), I'm all ears. Until then, I'm not changing it
Remember that our ability to ban things in Doofania is mostly based on people going along with what we say because it's funny and inconsequential, and also previously because it got them free food during a famine. The hats look genuinely useful and the famine is no longer a worry, so many people will just ignore us.

I think a better solution would be to bribe, lobby, or otherwise convince the Tri-State Area's government to mire the sale of the hats in red tape and safety regulations. It's how internet providers maintain their local monopolies, we can make it work for us.
...You make a very good point. Thank you
 
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I think a better solution would be to bribe, lobby, or otherwise convince the Tri-State Area's government to mire the sale of the hats in red tape and safety regulations. It's how internet providers maintain their local monopolies, we can make it work for us.
Surely we can just tell Rodger the actual problem with the hats and then he could do that without bribes or lobbying
 
Surely we can just tell Rodger the actual problem with the hats and then he could do that without bribes or lobbying
Yeah, considering our brother is the mayor and our AI system is basically the city council, we can pretty much do what we want legal-wise. The local government is completely under our control.
 
One reason why it would be a good idea to put back the dress code is that we can have Cruella do it first.

Just imagine her coming into DEI, awaiting her first assignment, and being told that she needs to organize a dress code for DEI's employees because InventCo is advertising hats that are used for mind control and we can't let them get in our organization.
 
Let's also say later we have a high Learning Action and Jumba has to expiriment that turn or is on another task. Lizzy has a whopping National Action total of 94, the second highest learning of any of our heroes. So she could easilly do a lot of higher DC larning.
For Learning Heroes, we have Wendy who hits 58 on robotics, wasabi who hits 44 on Optics and Energy, Alan who has 43 in programming (48 in security), and Janus (who is currently unailable) hitting 44 on both Genetics and Vehicles. We are not hurting for Heroes who can tackle high-DC Learning nationals.


Let's say we wanted Monogram, Russ, and Janna on the quest to get the Declaration, Monogram because its his quest, Russ because of the fact he has good occult knowledge and is a Government Agent, Janna because she likely would be very useful in actually performing magic if the thief fled to the Boiling Isles. We need a High Martial, High Learning character to round out their stats, Lizzy is the best choice here.
You know what your premise is missing? A quest Leader. None of the units you've listed are suitable to leading a quest (even the one that doesn't currently exist) So you'd have to either make room for the Black Ops Heroball anyways, or send (the currently unavailable) Coyote. In either case, Learning problem taken care of.

And if for some reason you didn't want to have one of our Quest Leader units on this? Send Norm for Martial, and Mez for Learning. Or heck, send Gomez! The primary reason we'd want Learning on a qiest to the Boiling Isles is Bellos' magitech, and that's his specialty!

In either case, our quests benefit a lot more for having a strong Leadership unit than for having an extra floater. Not to mention the importance to Martial nationals, the field we actually created the Heroball to fix, because all the DCs are so high.

Sabotaging the Heroballs' primary purpose with Gomez' single-digit Martial to keep one Unit as a Floater makes no sense.
 
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To be fair, they do need to base a high DC check to even get in the city, but, yeah.


Because that's explicitly how it works? Searching for Star is a Global Action: Any DC reduction applies to anyone trying to do it.
Oh. I missed that detail when reading the action.

...Not sure what the reasoning is behind Toffee benefitting from our own search efforts, but apparently you're right.
 
I think a better solution would be to bribe, lobby, or otherwise convince the Tri-State Area's government to mire the sale of the hats in red tape and safety regulations. It's how internet providers maintain their local monopolies, we can make it work for us.
Surely we can just tell Rodger the actual problem with the hats and then he could do that without bribes or lobbying
Yeah, considering our brother is the mayor and our AI system is basically the city council, we can pretty much do what we want legal-wise. The local government is completely under our control.
Banning InventCo's hats was turned down as impossible. There's a reason why even Mirage was considering kinetic options. If we tried, it just wouldn't happen and if we did succeed InventCo would sue in court and force the hats to be sold, all in all generating no gain for us.

"Oh yeah!" you say, flicking through the papers until you come across a two-page spread from a newspaper. "These are the evil mind-controlling things, aren't they? We should probably do something about that, and I've already got an idea." You grin evilly. "Ban the hats!"

"We don't exactly have the ability to pick and choose what companies people shop from, Docto-"
Oh. I missed that detail when reading the action.

...Not sure what the reasoning is behind Toffee benefitting from our own search efforts, but apparently you're right.
The only reason why Star is still alive is that no one knows about her. Us finding evidence will disrupt that. If Demona finds evidence that will disrupt it. It's a race through brambles and clearing the path also opens the way for everyone behind you.

I think it makes sense, we can't commit to the search without going all-in.

[ ] Hunt for Star
DC 400

It's about time you go hunting for Butterflies. Star's safety depends on her staying hidden, which means this is not going to be easy. And the closer we get to her, the more attention is drawn to where the Butterfly flaps her wings

This is a Global Action. Global actions are high-DC actions that may be lowered by various personal actions or national actions, but the caveat is that this DC is reduced globally for every faction.
 
For Learning Heroes, we have Wendy who hits 58 on robotics, wasabi who hits 44 on Optics and Energy, Alan who has 43 in programming (48 in security), and Janus (who is currently unailable) hitting 44 on both Genetics and Vehicles. We are not hurting for Heroes who can tackle high-DC Learning nationals.



You know what your premise is missing? A quest Leader. None of the units you've listed are suitable to leading a quest (even the one that doesn't currently exist) So you'd have to either make room for the Black Ops Heroball anyways, or send (the currently unavailable) Coyote. In either case, Learning problem taken care of.

And if for some reason you didn't want to have one of our Quest Leader units on this? Send Norm for Martial, and Mez for Learning. Or heck, send Gomez! The primary reason we'd want Learning on a qiest to the Boiling Isles is Bellos' magitech, and that's his specialty!

In either case, our quests benefit a lot more for having a strong Leadership unit than for having an extra floater. Not to mention the importance to Martial nationals, the field we actually created the Heroball to fix, because all the DCs are so high.

Sabotaging the Heroballs' primary purpose with Gomez' single-digit Martial to keep one Unit as a Floater makes no sense.
And what if we have a high DC action that isn't someones specialty, like Greco-Roman Terraforming or Insect Control? Like, your taking this as a Lizzy vs Gomex, i'm telling you your understanding of Flex units is wrong!

A Heroball does not make someone a better flex unit, it does the opposite! Stats aren't the only thing that makes a good flex unit! A Flex unit is someone who can be easily slotted in when needed. YOU FUNDAMENTALLY CAN NOT DO THAT WITH A HEROBALL! They take 3 slots, which means you have 2 characters left. The characters chosen for the Dec Quest where because they would be important narratively and mechanically. If we were just minmaxing, we would solely focus on characters that are statistically appropriate for quest, not thematically. A Quest leader and then one of every other stat. Monogram is not good statistically for quest, at all, but he should absolutely be on that quest. Russ and Janna are better statwise, but also have thematic reasons to be there. Lizzy lets us get away with that stuff, and she doesn't need stupidly high stats to do so.

Like god, the amount of "But it raises her stats" your doing ignores that Lizzy's great stats are only part of why it works for her. She has good independent martial so if she gets attacked she's fine, unlike Gomez, which is important when doing quest in dangerous locals. She has no Specialty Bonus like the Specialist you listed so she is just universally good at learning, which is important if were tackling something that we lack a specialist for. Her disposition means unless something on the quest or in the interlude happens, she won't get angry about being made to do that. Lizzy is a good Flex unit since she has strong stats, she can do anything without major commitment. Doofquest is not just a raw numbers game, and Lizzy helps us be thematic without sacrificing 2 highly important stats on Quest, and lets us tackle Learning DCs for things without specialist. Thats Lizzy's power, being just able to do lots of things when we need them done without sacrificing much else.

Onto Gomez vs Lizzy, the thing shouldn't be "It makes Lizzy a better Flex" its "Do we value a Versatile Ball, or a Specialized One". Lizzy will give the ball a lot more martial oomph, which if we just want em to do Black Ops, is fine. Gomez gives it a decently sized "Occult" score, and the ability to possibly summon a Divinos in enemy territory. It also will make Gomez far easier to manage since without direct supervision he is kind of losing it as his personnel shows. Lizzy doesn't really fit in terms of her personal narrative unlike Gomez, she has her friend group already, and this would take her from them so she likely won't give her full stat boost.
 
Wait haven't we been to Hawai'i? Wouldn't the council know that Flubber exploding that island is a lie?

You gotta love that our Council is composed of three Toons, two humans, and the ghost of an evil wizard. This says...something about us but I'm not sure what exactly.
It says we're a diverse employer that celebrates a range of cultures?

I'm opposed to doing Greco-Roman Landscaping. Cynically we've already got a bunch of stuff on our plate, including quite a few lucrative stewardship projects. I'm not interested in an action that just ads MORE to our plate, and not even something really cool it sounds.
 
Banning InventCo's hats was turned down as impossible. There's a reason why even Mirage was considering kinetic options. If we tried, it just wouldn't happen and if we did succeed InventCo would sue in court and force the hats to be sold, all in all generating no gain for us.
Banning all hats was turned down as impossible, as was just declaring that InventCo's hats to be illegal. Both of these are because Doof doesn't have actual legal authority.

Miring the hats in ruinously time-consuming red tape and safety regulations is 100% possible, because as I mentioned, it happens in real life all the time. Tons of small towns have only one internet provider, and competitors don't move in because said small towns have lots of local regulations that make it really frustrating to actually get set up in the area. Said local regulations, of course, are the result of corporate lobbying aimed at maintaining monopolies. We're not trying to use our own nonexistent legal authority for this, we're telling Roger about the real threat so that he can use his existent legal authority.

Wait haven't we been to Hawai'i? Wouldn't the council know that Flubber exploding that island is a lie?


It says we're a diverse employer that celebrates a range of cultures?

I'm opposed to doing Greco-Roman Landscaping. Cynically we've already got a bunch of stuff on our plate, including quite a few lucrative stewardship projects. I'm not interested in an action that just ads MORE to our plate, and not even something really cool it sounds.
Apparently, the government picked Flubber as a scapegoat because it really is dangerous. Maybe not blow-up-an-island dangerous, but pretty dangerous. And it's not a good look for us and the council knows it.

Regarding the landscaping, I'd like to point out that understanding how Mount Doofhawk was created is one of the first steps to turning it into a flying volcano fortress of doom.
 
Banning all hats was turned down as impossible, as was just declaring that InventCo's hats to be illegal. Both of these are because Doof doesn't have actual legal authority.

Miring the hats in ruinously time-consuming red tape and safety regulations is 100% possible, because as I mentioned, it happens in real life all the time. Tons of small towns have only one internet provider, and competitors don't move in because said small towns have lots of local regulations that make it really frustrating to actually get set up in the area. Said local regulations, of course, are the result of corporate lobbying aimed at maintaining monopolies. We're not trying to use our own nonexistent legal authority for this, we're telling Roger about the real threat so that he can use his existent legal authority.
If what you are suggesting is possible it would have been mentioned. Doris has 47 Stewardship. She'd easily win and all it would do is suck up our actions trying to get bare parity with her which would inevitably fail.
 
Like, your taking this as a Lizzy vs Gomex
I won't really engage with the rest of your post because at the moment, it is Lizzy vs Gomez. And until it stops being, it has to be Lizzy.

Heck, even if we recruited new heroes just for the Heroball, few people are as well-suited to be in a Black Ops Martial Heroball as Lizzy is. Even Mez, which we recruited on the assumption of Black Ops, turned out not to be suitable after all.
 
I maintain that trying to form Black Ops with our current options is just a plain bad idea, but if we have to, we should at least try to get a replacement Occult unit for Gomez first, he is the only solid Occult unit that we can be sure will a) be available when necessary, and b) will definitely do the task we set out for him.
 
If what you are suggesting is possible it would have been mentioned. Doris has 47 Stewardship. She'd easily win and all it would do is suck up our actions trying to get bare parity with her which would inevitably fail.
Things only get mentioned if Doof would normally think of them. This is something he's unlikely to think of normally, unless he recently had a frustrating experience trying to change internet providers and learned all this in the process.

I find it very, very hard to believe that using nepotism to mire our corporate rivals in red tape is impossible in this megacorp-run dystopia of a setting, considering as I said it happens all the time in real life. Doris's high stewardship would be more of a worry normally, but Roger is going to know this is a matter of public safety and be far harder to deal with than someone who thinks this is just competition between two businesses.
 
Onto Gomez vs Lizzy, the thing shouldn't be "It makes Lizzy a better Flex" its "Do we value a Versatile Ball, or a Specialized One".
A Specialized One, that's not in question. We've been told that the Heroball will have specific Martial actions only it can undertake, in addition to all the high-DC martial actions we haven't been able to tackle at any point so far.

Gomez gives it a decently sized "Occult" score, and the ability to possibly summon a Divinos in enemy territory.
Wait, are we actually contemplating summoning Chaos Gods we can't actively control, even in "enemy" territory? Aren't they huge, chaotic, and masquerade-threatening?

Lizzy doesn't really fit in terms of her personal narrative
Lizzy fits in perfectly in terms of her narrative. She is a criminal, tech-based cape with few moral objections, just like the rest of the Black Ops Heroball. It fits in way more with her character than being part of a Star-based team.

she has her friend group already, and this would take her from them so she likely won't give her full stat boost.
Lizzy has one friend. ONE. Don't forget that.
 
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