DoofQuest- a Disney Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest
- Thread starter Made in Heaven
- Start date
- Crossover
- Location
- USA
Oh. Wait.
Just thought of something.
Didn't we just see that Doof's pettiness is perhaps the most self-destructive force in his life?
Him going "Hey... you're not actually my friend! You're just pretending and manipulating me!" would probably trigger his pettiness something awful.
Now... I still think we should tell him. He's likely to realize this on his own if we get rid of the self delusion.
But in the interests of fairness, I think it's worth pointing out he might have a much worse reaction than we anticipate.
Unless we can somehow get his pettiness addressed while we are in here. Lower the power on the petti-inator or something.
Just thought of something.
Didn't we just see that Doof's pettiness is perhaps the most self-destructive force in his life?
Him going "Hey... you're not actually my friend! You're just pretending and manipulating me!" would probably trigger his pettiness something awful.
Now... I still think we should tell him. He's likely to realize this on his own if we get rid of the self delusion.
But in the interests of fairness, I think it's worth pointing out he might have a much worse reaction than we anticipate.
Unless we can somehow get his pettiness addressed while we are in here. Lower the power on the petti-inator or something.
- Location
- USA
I imagine him feeling what it's like to be on the other end of one of his inators is going to be a factor.
I do get the feeling that Doofenshmirtz' delusions have kind of worked in our favour in the rise of DEI, or at least the particular version of it that the story has shaped. It's what has kept him playing a different game from the other kings and let him create his very own niche. What was that metaphor again, about the people playing Shadowrun and a guy barges in playing Tropico? I'm starting to fear that fixing the doctor here could lead to him becoming more of an orthodox player once he isn't able to ignore reality.
Also, there's the very real concern that the very first "unpleasant truth" Doof will have to face upon waking will be... The Mirage situation. Who knows how that will pan out with all defenses down and Doof "more affected"
The idea that this could help speed up the self reflection over the robot children makes me want to go for it, but I'm having serious doubts now, specially since it was stated that the character development will still continue, much as it had been doing previously. Besides, even if Doof has his limitations, that's what he has his loyal employees for, no? To stir him in the right direction if he's going a bit too far. It's a system that has worked so far.
This much, at least, I can 100% agree with. Technor's track record speaks for itself.
- Location
- the Netherworld Dood
[X] Yes: The Neuron Gnomes will continue to appear.
I like the Bit
[X]No: What we don't know won't hurt us. Xanatos will continue to be something we don't know.
Xanatos is typicly on the side of angels for now at the very least he's going to be useful in prevent apocolpses. and we are useful to him because he thinks he can manipulate us easily and is aware we are also putting in effort to prevent various apocalypses. we will have to deal with it at some point but we can kick that can down the road a bit
[X] Yes: Diplomacy check; will need to convince Doofenshmirtz too since he's right there. Doofenshmirtz will have a harder time ignoring unpleasant truths. You are more likely to be told unpleasant truths. Doofenshmirtz will be more affected by unpleasant truths.
Growth only comes when you confront things. somethings need to be kicked down the road but I feel like this is the right choice.
I like the Bit
[X]No: What we don't know won't hurt us. Xanatos will continue to be something we don't know.
Xanatos is typicly on the side of angels for now at the very least he's going to be useful in prevent apocolpses. and we are useful to him because he thinks he can manipulate us easily and is aware we are also putting in effort to prevent various apocalypses. we will have to deal with it at some point but we can kick that can down the road a bit
[X] Yes: Diplomacy check; will need to convince Doofenshmirtz too since he's right there. Doofenshmirtz will have a harder time ignoring unpleasant truths. You are more likely to be told unpleasant truths. Doofenshmirtz will be more affected by unpleasant truths.
Growth only comes when you confront things. somethings need to be kicked down the road but I feel like this is the right choice.
- Location
- USA
Yeah, but some people seem very, very set on having Technor not do therapy anymore and having him lead a heroball. Which I think gets rid of his personals?
The point being therapy might not be something we have access to soon.
Unless we get another therapist from somewhere, that we can trust as much as Technor.
- Location
- USA
Moratorium.
Yeah, that's going to be a tough one. I don't know about you guys, but I just can't trust a mental health professional who doesn't have the conviction to crash face first through a wall in order to make his point. Know what I mean?
I insisted that my therapist replace his wall with parchment paper for this exact reason.
...I no longer have a therapist.
/jk
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I've mentioned this before but people taking the time to do a play by play of my posts is one of the most satisfying things for me, as a writer.
- Location
- USA
So I guess we just lost the benefit from the quest in Drusselstein, if those memories fell into the pit.
However, Doof motivating the mindscape Norm in Doof's head to use his rockets to get onto the island might change something.
Lab_Accident
A 2D 1D4
- Location
- Your dreams
Xanatos is not a valuable ally, that's the whole point. Xanatos is not an ally at all, our interests are just temporarily aligned on one particular issue. Which doesn't mean Xanatos won't use us as a front for his shadow-war against Toffe and then throw us under the bus once we're spent.
Let's not sabotage Doof's long-term chances at success for the sake of making Xanatos moderately annoyed. Bill Cypher can do that just as well for us, he's more chaotic than any twenty Doofs.
This IS therapy, Technor explicitly said so. It's just more direct therapy than normally possible.
Xanatos is not on the side of the angels, there are no angels in DVV. Xanatos is always, and only, on the side of Xanatos.
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- Location
- the Netherworld Dood
Okay on the side of " not getting conquered by Toffe and stopping weridmagadon"
Xantatos can be trusted to not be an idiot in most cases and benefits from a non conquered planet so he can be trusted to do that
- Location
- USA
He can be trusted to try to stop Toffee and Weirdmageddon yes, by using Doof as a front line pawn? Also yes.
Better to give Doof clarity so we can fully utilize our learning focus.
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BlueWerewolf25
The Dreamer
- Location
- Wouldn't You Like To Know?
- Pronouns
- He/His/Him
This was a very nice update. I especially liked the Gnome bit. Hope Janna catches up in time to join the party. Norm being forced to cling onto Family Island was pretty sad though.
Lab_Accident
A 2D 1D4
- Location
- Your dreams
He can be trusted to do those things, yeah. But neither of them require Doof to be under the illusion that Xanatos is a friend to be possible.
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[X] Yes: The Neuron Gnomes will continue to appear.
[X] No: What we don't know won't hurt us. Xanatos will continue to be something we don't know.
[X] Yes: Diplomacy check; will need to convince Doofenshmirtz too since he's right there. Doofenshmirtz will have a harder time ignoring unpleasant truths. You are more likely to be told unpleasant truths. Doofenshmirtz will be more affected by unpleasant truths.
[X] No: What we don't know won't hurt us. Xanatos will continue to be something we don't know.
[X] Yes: Diplomacy check; will need to convince Doofenshmirtz too since he's right there. Doofenshmirtz will have a harder time ignoring unpleasant truths. You are more likely to be told unpleasant truths. Doofenshmirtz will be more affected by unpleasant truths.
- Location
- The City of Tears, Hallownest
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Moratorium my dude.
- Location
- United States
I'm probably going to vote no on the Xanay question, but admittedly it's really funny to me to imagine Xanatos's careful manipulation of Doof being undone because he spoke with some gnomes inside of his head.
Lab_Accident
A 2D 1D4
- Location
- Your dreams
*Sigh* And the worst thing is, it looks like the No on Xanatos thing will probably win. People will literally vote "What we don't know won't hurt us", which everyone knows is patently false, because they just like Xanatos, perhaps better than they actually like Doof. And then when Xanatos inevitably betrays Doof, which is what he does, there'll be an ocean's worth of salt from people upset at David Xanatos acting like David Xanatos.
The QMs can literally go "this person who you consider an ally does NOT have your best interests at heart. What do?" And people go "Well, we can't risk losing him, he's too valuable an ally."
The QMs can literally go "this person who you consider an ally does NOT have your best interests at heart. What do?" And people go "Well, we can't risk losing him, he's too valuable an ally."
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- Location
- USA
We can't even vote yet. I'm certainly voting yes on everything.
- Location
- USA
And the salt will be even worse when people get told about the betrayal 6 turns after it happens "how dare you not give us a chance to counteract it!"
Keep your chin up, the people that have voted early are also the people that didn't realize the moratorium existed... so I'll just say selection bias on that one.
On the contrary, I've seen most of the people actually discussing leaning towards Yes.
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OK, dude, calm down a bit. There is something to be said for not giving Doof a malus regarding Mr. 70+ Intrigue, especially after this very update has shown us how destructive Doof's spite can be, and ascribing these weird sinister motives to people you disagree with helps no one.
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Lab_Accident
A 2D 1D4
- Location
- Your dreams
We currently have a malus with Mr. 70+ Intrigue, which the vote itself makes clear: under the assumption that Xanatos is a friend, Doof has been leaking intel like a sieve. Right now Xanatos doesn't even have to bother wasting actions spying on us, we tell him everything on our own initiative.
This is our opportunity to fix that. Taking a penalty to relationship with Xanatos does not hurt our Intrigue regarding Xanatos, it makes us better able to defend against his Intrigue. Or at least, less of an easy target.
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- Location
- USA
[X] Yes: The Neuron Gnomes will continue to appear.
[X] Yes: Monthly meetings with Xanatos will become much less of a security issue, but Doofenshmirtz will likely be pretty bummed out about it. Mechanically so. Reduced relationship with Xanatos?????
[X] Yes: Diplomacy check; will need to convince Doofenshmirtz too since he's right there. Doofenshmirtz will have a harder time ignoring unpleasant truths. You are more likely to be told unpleasant truths. Doofenshmirtz will be more affected by unpleasant truths.
Winston time!
[X] Yes: Monthly meetings with Xanatos will become much less of a security issue, but Doofenshmirtz will likely be pretty bummed out about it. Mechanically so. Reduced relationship with Xanatos?????
[X] Yes: Diplomacy check; will need to convince Doofenshmirtz too since he's right there. Doofenshmirtz will have a harder time ignoring unpleasant truths. You are more likely to be told unpleasant truths. Doofenshmirtz will be more affected by unpleasant truths.
Winston time!