The point is to get the most resources that are the most useful to us. In general, that is going to come in more knowledge than in more powerful unique items, like the Talismans. Our superscience is pretty good, which means most direct concrete effects are replicable; comparatively, we are weak in countering magic and it's more esoteric applications like wards, curses and so on. Magical textbooks have better chances of providing what we need for that than powerful single items. That's why I think stuff like that should be the priority.
I plan on getting the Encantus. I want to put all of our remaining money in it, in fact, that's a fundamental premise of the plan I have stated repeatedly. If you think 12 points won't be enough to get it, sure. But I think it's enough given how the bidding has worked so far.
And I want to get two Level 3 items instead of one. Which meand I want to risk spending less points this round. Sorry, but your plan looks to risky for me.
 
He won't bet 4, he'll probably bet 5 at a minimum. And Monty might just vote 5, so if you don't care about the scroll, vote for the 6 bid key plan.
 
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Man, imagine if Monty bids 5 and we lose the dice roll, that'd be pretty funny.
And I want to get two Level 3 items instead of one. Which meand I want to risk spending less points this round. Sorry, but your plan looks to risky for me.
Sure, that's a fundamental disagreement. If one of the bids falls thought we might get enough to bid on 2 items next round, but my plan doesn't rely on that so I won't ask people to count on it. My plan tries to get as much magical knowledge as possible while saving for the Encantus specifically, which is what I have stated. If you want to be the on the next round's mystery boxes, then I can't help you.
 
I mean, worst case scenario for Ki and Key, we fail both votes and buy two things from the last set guarenteed, where we know there are at least 3 items we want. I'd much prefer we buy these two items to one in round 3 - I think key + scroll > encantus, even if both are worse individually - but underbidding isn't really a problem in round 1 or 2, only round 3, and even then it's just walking out with more money.
 
Sure, that's a fundamental disagreement. If one of the bids falls thought we might get enough to bid on 2 items next round, but my plan doesn't rely on that so I won't ask people to count on it. My plan tries to get as much magical knowledge as possible while saving for the Encantus specifically, which is what I have stated. If you want to be the on the next round's mystery boxes, then I can't help you.
There was a large gap in terms of quality between the first round and the second. It seems pretty clear that the next round will similarly be higher quality?
 
There was a large gap in terms of quality between the first round and the second. It seems pretty clear that the next round will similarly be higher quality?
There is such a thing as comparative advantage. The Dog talisman could easily be the most sought after item next round as an example, since it's simple access to a powerful dream of mankind, but would it be really useful to us compared to the scroll or the cookbook? I don't think so. A similar argument could be made about the Wailing Stone this round even; clearly something that can be valuable to practitioners, but the Stone in our hands would see very little magical exploitation for a while as we simply don't have the magical chops to make good use of it. A item that's valuable in general might be less valuable to us specifically, is what I'm saying, and I think magical knowledge is pretty valuable to us right now, so I want to get as many sources of it as possible.
I mean, worst case scenario for Ki and Key, we fail both votes and buy two things from the last set guarenteed, where we know there are at least 3 items we want. I'd much prefer we buy these two items to one in round 3 - I think key + scroll > encantus, even if both are worse individually - but underbidding isn't really a problem in round 1 or 2, only round 3, and even then it's just walking out with more money.
I disagree, since it's far easier for us to get more money than more magical items and knowledge, especially right now. Walking away with money in our pockets would be a severe failure in my mind, since getting magical stuff is what we are here for, not to save money. So in my view, having a decent chance of getting as many items as possible is in our interests.
 
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There is such a thing as comparative advantage. The Dog talisman could easily be the most sought after item next round as an example, since it's simple access to a power dream of mankind, but would it be really useful to us compared to the scroll or the cookbook? I don't think so. A similar argument could be made about the Wailing Stone this round even; clearly something that can be valuable to practitioners, but the Stone in our hands would see very little magical exploitation for a while as we simply don't have the magical chops to make good use of it. A item that's valuable in general might be less valuable to us specifically, is what I'm saying, and I think magical knowledge is pretty valuable to us right now, so I want to get as many sources of it as possible.
That's all well and good, but applying those sources of magical knowledge in the quest is going to take actions, mechanically speaking, and I doubt that an item would be less valuable than a source of knowledge at the level of abstraction this quest operates at. Besides that, why do you think the Encantus is the only source of magical knowledge that's going to be in the third round? I understand wanting to play it safe, but even if they aren't sources of magical knowledge, I think that any of the items in the third round would be more valuable than the scroll or the book right now.
 
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That's all well and good, but applying those sources of magical knowledge in the quest is going to take actions, mechanically speaking, and I doubt that an item would be less valuable that a source of knowledge at the level of abstraction this quest operates at. Besides that, why do you think the Encantus is the only source of magical knowledge that's going to be in the third round? I understand wanting to play it safe, but even if they aren't sources of magical knowledge, I think that any of the items in the third round would be more valuable than the scroll or the book right now.
Can you tell me the benefits the Ji talisman gets us right now? I'm not trying to be quippy, that artifact is technically doing nothing for us right now even. It's going to be useful if we ever need flight and telekinesis at a personal level, but that's surprisingly hard to come up. The cookbook and the scroll, meanwhile, are things we can develop and build upon, meaning that while it is indeed true it's something that will take actions, the payoffs will be much greater for us than single magical artifacts. Especially since we are a super-scientist that can make incredible devices when pressed. We don't even need the key right now to access other dimensions, for example, it would just make things easier. As they say, sufficiently soft science is indistinguishable from magic.

That the Encantus will be the only magical knowledge item offered in round 3 is indeed a bet, but one made on the assumption that if the Encantus is one of the big ticket items meant to entice people to go to the auction, it hardly makes sense to present another highly valuable magical book to compete within it's same niche for prospective buyers; that just makes them less money thanks to lowered bids. It's still a possibility, but I'm willing to bet otherwise.
 
[X] Plan Key And Ki
-[X] Spend points on the Scrolls of Jo-Lan
--[x] 4
-[x] Spend points on the Crystal Key
--[x] 5
 
I'm actually really interested in the Wailing Star.

Its basically a magical effect-inator and having more intors is always a good thing.
 
That the Encantus will be the only magical knowledge item offered in round 3 is indeed a bet, but one made on the assumption that if the Encantus is one of the big ticket items meant to entice people to go to the auction, it hardly makes sense to present another highly valuable magical book to compete within it's same niche for prospective buyers; that just makes them less money thanks to lowered bids. It's still a possibility, but I'm willing to bet otherwise.
I doubt that this was the logic used in picking out items for the auction- from a meta perspective, I'm not sure the QM has gone into that level of detail here. Besides that, if you want to bet, I'll bet that even if we don't want the talisman being sold in the auction, there will be an item besides the Encantus in the final round that we'll desire more than the book or scrolls.
 
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