Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)
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I imagine that Apeiron would need to completely knack tinkertech and then halway shardtech too in order for Survey to do that. Good idea though.
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Survey's ability is technopathy, so it would probably come down to if shards are considered intelligent design or natural evolution. Additionally, her power is divine in nature, so it probably works better on conventional technology than biotech.
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Not really. Remember that Survey's abilities came from Joe's own divinity, which largely originates from PJO. And that setting's Greek Mythology is filled with enough living robots and magitech - to the point where it's making and handling that magitech that is largely the entire thing with Hephaestus' children - that the idea of Survey being unable to interface with unconventional technology after all of the other boosts from Joe's upgrades and perks is extremely unlikely. Especially if you take into account the Wildbow WoG that though powerful, shardtech is less about finesse and more about just throwing as much processing power and energy at something until it achieves the goal.
That kind of haphazard design will be unlikely to have the capability to protect itself from subtler methods of subversion, especially from an angle that it literally cannot comprehend such as psionics and literal divinity.
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a reminder that PRT ratings are based on threat response, and that Master 4 is a really low rating both for Fleet's ability as a pilot and the abilities of the vehicles he's remote-controlling. Fleet was the one who suggested and executed the FTL ramming thing, which is easily a 10+ on the rating scale if the PRT learns of this (the ratings become completely arbitrary over 10 - hard to escalate your threat response beyond "either run as fast as you can or throw all available assets at the problem")
I would lower Survey's master rating (psionic domination only goes so high on the threat scale, unless she can do it en-masse (and she probably wouldn't do that outside of extreme circumstances even if she could)) and potentially the blaster rating (depends on what they can glean about how effective it is). Same with Fleet's brute rating, because they'd have to hit him Really, Really hard to determine just how durable he is.
Although I think that more realistically it would be prudent to assign everyone on Apeiron's team an effective rating of at least 7 in every classification (the level wherein they send either a minimum of a trio of parahumans or 2 squads of foot-soldiers, plus the extra countermeasures that are placed into effect at above a 5 for every given classification)
I think it's theoretically possible but it'd require Survey to expand her divine abilities through use beyond what is achievable within a reasonable time-frame.
I should think that shards would be considered intelligent design after millions of years of optimizing. It seems to be implied that the entities have some level of self-bio-kinesis from the way that they're able to intentionally shape themselves to prime for blastoff even on their original planet. So with this in mind I'd think that the shards were definitely intentionally shaped into optimal forms based on cycle data or whatever.
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So LordRoustabout finally answered whether or not Glory to Me affects divine abilities outside of PJO and he answered "The perk says "Your divinely related abilities are all massively enhanced". There is nothing about them having to be divine abilities from Percy Jackson. The exact nature of the boost and how far it takes things varies and will depend on other parts of the perk description, but anything that qualifies as a "divinely related ability" gets a boost."
Which means his DinoWerewolf form gets a boost, his Mantra gets a boosts when he gets it, his Transformers Capstone perks gets a boost, his Asgardian capstone perk, his Titan form and if included his Bayonetta Capstone perk all gets a boost.
Which means his DinoWerewolf form gets a boost, his Mantra gets a boosts when he gets it, his Transformers Capstone perks gets a boost, his Asgardian capstone perk, his Titan form and if included his Bayonetta Capstone perk all gets a boost.
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While I agree about Fleet Master rating, I do not agree to count FTL ramming into that. That should count as Blaster via Equipment or something allong this line.
I gave Survey so high Master rating, because based on what other said, she can master previously unmasterable people, like Weld.
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The big question is, do the Lord of Light perks get the boost, since they refer to themselves as Divine and use that language, but if you've read the books you see that this was originally a propaganda tool used to justify the tyranny of the elder "gods" (actually mutants). However, by the end of the book Sam is having doubts, observing what is going on and thinking maybe they are becoming divine anyway, that the beliefs of the people are becoming reality. LordR has already said the psionic boosting perks will affect the Lord of Light ones, be interesting to see if the divine boosting ones do as well.
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The jump-doc contextualizes Aspects as deific abilities, doesn't it?
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A effect that picks up on the signal and react to it faster then it would be able to reach the bombs. The first thing that comes to mind is a temporal stasis effect.
Man despite the somewhat slow pace I just love these chapters. Seeing Survey progress from rudimentary analysis, then making her first joke and now this? Somehow Lord manages to warm my heart with all those characters growing and interacting. Yeah sure large scale developments are cool, but I really enjoy those developing personalities like the matrix growing up to be a snob. It's great.
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Here is a recent word of God from lord on the glory to me perk
, Daedalus Student, Titans blood, Minor Blessings, Divine child, Mastercraft men, Craftsmen of the God's, Demigod Atelier, Transformer Jesus-Buddha perk (All Spark Chosen) , and Matrix of leardship
Ones I am less sure about,
, The Truth, Trigram Knowledge and Manipulation, Unnatural Skill, monstrous strength, Dwarven Craft, Talisman Adept, Elven Enchantment, Beast Change!, Crucible of Eight Trigrams
Reasons
Truth,
Cause it involves God, but where it counts is up for bate, as glory to me boosts probably less cause Joe is not directly related.
Trigram
Cause I don't know anything about the journey to the west, and whether this perk is related to the gods
Unnatural skill/monsterous strength
Cause they are related to monsters not the gods
Dwarven craft
Don't know how related the dwarves are to the gods
Elven Enchantment is related to Elven gods apperntly and is a divine ability so it will probably be boosted
Talisman Adept, uses with spiritual means, but don't know if the count as divinty
Beast Change! Remember something about gaia choseing people to become furries
Crucible of Eight Trigrams
It was the property of a God, but it's a item, that said I thing tybalt boosted the strength of his Legendary Implement
So here is a list of perks I am sure will be boosted
, Daedalus Student, Titans blood, Minor Blessings, Divine child, Mastercraft men, Craftsmen of the God's, Demigod Atelier, Transformer Jesus-Buddha perk (All Spark Chosen) , and Matrix of leardship
Ones I am less sure about,
, The Truth, Trigram Knowledge and Manipulation, Unnatural Skill, monstrous strength, Dwarven Craft, Talisman Adept, Elven Enchantment, Beast Change!, Crucible of Eight Trigrams
Reasons
Truth,
Cause it involves God, but where it counts is up for bate, as glory to me boosts probably less cause Joe is not directly related.
Trigram
Cause I don't know anything about the journey to the west, and whether this perk is related to the gods
Unnatural skill/monsterous strength
Cause they are related to monsters not the gods
Dwarven craft
Don't know how related the dwarves are to the gods
Elven Enchantment is related to Elven gods apperntly and is a divine ability so it will probably be boosted
Talisman Adept, uses with spiritual means, but don't know if the count as divinty
Beast Change! Remember something about gaia choseing people to become furries
Crucible of Eight Trigrams
It was the property of a God, but it's a item, that said I thing tybalt boosted the strength of his Legendary Implement
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Don't think it'll really count unless it applies to all of FMA alchemy.
Yeah I don't think, it's just basically a form of Alchemy.
Both of these are LOTR perks. The only god of Arda is Eru Illuvitar. Dwarves are more like the adopted children of Eru, so I doubt their craft would count, though they were crafted by a Valar. Enchanting is not uniquely elven, but the magic of LOTR isn't naturally holy or anything either.
Probably not, but then again I do believe it's shinto stuff, so who can be sure?
Yeah, apparently Natural Zoanthropes(like Joe, maybe Tetra?) are given the Gene by Gaia.
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Hmm. I think a case could be made that Singing to the Void, which is the way the Divine Choir of Valar and Maiar conducted by Eru Illuvitar his own self created the world, might just barely qualify for this perk as divine. Though I suppose you could also rule that only that particular instance of Singing was Divine, and the rest are not.
Edit: Also, weren't the Two Trees of Valinor, which Jozef saw briefly in his vision while getting the Elven Enchanting perk, sometimes referred to as Holy? Or is that just fanon?
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They are holy, they were created by a Valar, but what makes the creations of the Valar, and the Ainur in general, holy is that they are themselves intrinsically holy. Unless they were followers of Melkor, because they all let go of that aspect of themselves.
Also the Unseen isn't the void. The unseen is the realm of wraiths that Frodo sees when he dons the ring, seems to be some under-layer of reality, holding concepts, based on its use in enchanting, but that's just a guess. Probably wrong since apparently high elves existed on the other side of the unseen? IDK
Also yeah, Generally speaking Magic in LoTR isn't inherently holy. Melkor, Ungoliant, Sauron, the Witch-king of Angmar, Saruman, etc. use fell magic in various ways.
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They're pretty much the holiest objects in all of arda, aside from maybe the lamps they where made by the valar and their degraded remains created the sun and moon. I'd definitely say that glory to me would in some way improve Joe's enchanting, if only indirectly by strengthening his soul.
Technically speaking, Joseph's nature as a human/semi-human/ having a human soul means that he is a child of Eru and holds a link to him, which, while incredibly vauge even within LOTR itself is another point towards glory to me improving his enchanting on some level.
On the other hand, the magic of the elves and Gandalf are atleast partially related to their own divine nature/the nature of arda itself and are considered distinct from dark sorcery, and stuff like feanor's silmarils are pretty clearly divine in nature
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Lethe, passable at doing/making stuff of her own, overwhelming Stranger-class effect that makes everyone forget her.
Tybalt, Stranger effect that makes people forget their own biases and treat him for his own merits, can fuck your shit up more than an Endbringer and has MAJOR lifesteal.
Tetra, leeches vitality as food and thus gains strength, is made of monomolecular fibers that she can control perfectly to go even further beyond.
Garment, controls clothing, string and assorted fashion goodies, living gloves with impeccable fashion sense.
Apeiron, physically incapable of not looking awesome, can literally make almost anything you could imagine.
A circle, further giving credibility to the theory that they are indeed a cluster
What about The Matrix, Fleet and Survey?
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A separate cluster, obviously
Holy and Divine are not intrinsically inclusive aspects. One can be Divine without being Holy and be Holy without being Divine. The Dark Queen Tiamat for example is the LAST entity anyone would ever say is Holy but is no less Divine. Likewise, Mannimarco King of Worms, certainly not Holy, but DID ascend and become Divine. As such Glory to me would boost ANY thing that can be argued to be 'Divine' regardless if it is Holy or Fell/Unholy. So the question is, is Singing to the Unseen a Divine act? Assuming that is how the God made the world, or is a process created/bestowed by the God...then yes, it is a Divine act and would be boosted.
With Shinto one is generally working with either different forms of spiritual and supernatural entities in general such as yokai or the Kami which are supposed to usually be nature gods with varying levels of power linked to such things as rivers, storms, stars, and even just pieces of land. Occasionally you have exception such as particularly venerated and empowered spirits.
To quote Wikipedia: "Kami (Japanese: 神, [kaꜜmi]) (often taken to mean "gods", though the concept is more involved than that) are the spirits, phenomena or "holy powers" that are venerated in the religion of Shinto. They can be elements of the landscape, forces of nature, as well as beings and the qualities that these beings express; they can also be the spirits of venerated dead people. Many kami are considered the ancient ancestors of entire clans (some ancestors became kami upon their death if they were able to embody the values and virtues of kami in life). Traditionally, great or sensational leaders like the Emperor could be or became kami.[1][page needed]
In Shinto, kami are not separate from nature, but are of nature, possessing positive and negative, and good and evil characteristics. They are manifestations of musubi (結び),[2] the interconnecting energy of the universe, and are considered exemplary of what humanity should strive towards. Kami are believed to be "hidden" from this world, and inhabit a complementary existence that mirrors our own: shinkai (神界, "the world of the kami").[3]: 22 To be in harmony with the awe-inspiring aspects of nature is to be conscious of kannagara no michi (随神の道 or 惟神の道, "the way of the kami")."
At this point if any perks further involving Shintoism get involved could Joe end up being considered a living form of Kami with access to Shinkai or the ability to be more in touch with musabi?
If not, is it possible some combination of future perks could yield this effect?
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Except Apeiron has a were-changer aspect which obviously is from Matrix, and a Thinker power from Survey. This is clearly some unprecendenrly large group trigger.
And they all are Mad Scientist type! Zero common sense! That one even prefers being a cat!
P. S. PHO Flame wars and theories are going to get a lot more fuel. And Piggot will get the memo among the last, from a "Dragon's Fleet" thread.
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This likely also works with Master Craftsman given that the ability to make Divine Constructs is obviously divine and the Fae are holy (of Gaia) in Nasuverse (which is the setting chosen for the King Arthur jump to take place), for a given value of holy that runs on blue and orange morality.
I wonder what Apeiron could make with super Master Craftsman backed by all of his other perks, if he could make something on the level of Arondight before with Item Construction A+++, it must be something truly grand after that. Stuff actual deities would use, like Trident Ocean Ray or Photon Ray, I imagine.