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Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

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Ziggrrauglurr said:
Wait, when was it mentioned that the Shard is influencing Uber beyond the "Seschen range" thing?
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Uber's power is a weaker version of Victor essentially at the exchange of being less reliant on needing a local expert to drain.

Uber focuses on something and instantly attains a high level of technique in it, but he needs to focus and concentrate on said skills underneath it all he is still a dumbass.

His Shard is not influencing him March Shard is, Leet implies that the March Shard (which can no longer manipulate as easily due to being a puppeted zombie) was understood by Uber alone meaning that March Shard can manipulate only Uber by now as it can no longer manipulate anybody else ( as seen when Leet notices March manipulations and feels "used" ).
 
Here is a old wog for lord regarding dimensional travel


On if Joe's potential avenues for dimensional travel:
There are some perks that could give teleportation, and dimensional travel is available from higher level technology (Transformers, Star Trek) and specialized applications of other perks (nether portals from Minecraft). One of the better options might be the divine crafting perks, since Craftsman of the Gods and Daedalus' Student would be able to make items that could navigate the realms of their respective cosmologies (Norse and Greek) they could make items capable of moving between dimensions of the Worm multiverse. Not sure what the exact form would be, but as long as it's thematically appropriate it should work.
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So basically of Joe got teleported to another dimension he could get back eventually.
 
So, I was going through the wogs on tvtropes and came across this gem:
Joe already has his semblance, he just hasn't activated it yet. It triggers under specific conditions based on how Joe used to approach conflict. Additionally, I though his semblance might be able to take Sting, but that was before I learned that APPARENTLY there is a link between semblances and magic (Thank you Rooster Teeth, and thanks for the lack of any further details), meaning I need to take into account interactions between magical effects based on the parahuman equivalency, and thus Joe's semblance would be trumped by Sting.
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I did not know that and didn't think most others thought he already had his semblance as well. That was a comment on chapter 48 (counting interludes and everything) on AO3, which makes it 41 Drag out - Preamble Chen, so during the big ABB fight.

There was also this wog on this forum further explaining why he hasn't found his semblance yet:
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Everything given to Chen has heretical adaption on it (it's pretty much the default for everything Joe or his duplicates currently produce). In terms of his semblance, they are based on you're method of addressing conflict (which is why Joe's is defensive). Chen is exceptionally direct and focused on the well being of others before himself. There are a number of ways that could manifest, but you need the right situation for it to happen first (Which is why Joe hasn't discovered his semblance, he has been moving away from his usual methods of dealing with conflict).
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By the wording there, when I read it I thought Joe needed to be more defensive for his semblance to form. I guess I didn't take it literally enough with "discovered".
 
RocjawCypher said:
Hmm, okay- for some reason I was thinking aperion was who would have turned out as blasto- do we know who he was in canon?
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IndigoPhoenix said:
He means joe I think
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In canon, Joe was an extremely minor character in Parian backstory. From the wiki:

Sabah drew attention from a boy in her class that became interested in her. She tried telling him 'no' multiple times but wound up being labeled as a 'bitch'. The other students wound up hearing and turned on her which lead to her schoolwork starting to suffer as no one wanted to work or study with her. She caved six weeks afterward and apologized to the boy, telling him that she had had a bad day. She began dreading going back to class and dealing with him.

Eventually, Sabah's father suffered a terminal heart attack. She triggered on what was only one in a long string of nights spent alone, stewing in frustration. It was the push she needed to get away from the boy as it gave her a new goal: success in fashion design.
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The Stormbringer said:
Does every gang and their grandma have a freaking Annihilation cape now?
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All the gangs, yes: DoD for E88, Scrub for the merchants, March for the ABB, and Flechette for the PRT (yeah the PRT is totally a gang).

But only the gangs. Coil, the Travelers, Faultline, the Undersiders, Blasto/Lost garden, New wave, the Dragon slayers, Dragon, Uppercrust, Parian... none of those have annihilators. Well, unless Ivy seduced Scrub to the dark grey side of Lost garden.

(Also, oh god this city is crowded)
 
Introverted said:
Uber's power is a weaker version of Victor essentially at the exchange of being less reliant on needing a local expert to drain.

Uber focuses on something and instantly attains a high level of technique in it, but he needs to focus and concentrate on said skills underneath it all he is still a dumbass.

His Shard is not influencing him March Shard is, Leet implies that the March Shard (which can no longer manipulate as easily due to being a puppeted zombie) was understood by Uber alone meaning that March Shard can manipulate only Uber by now as it can no longer manipulate anybody else ( as seen when Leet notices March manipulations and feels "used" ).
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I think the "Uber is being influenced by his power" angle is moreso based on the idea that Uber uses his power to become expert-level in self-deception and emotional-repression, talking himself into doing things, etc. Stuff that has a lasting effect on his psyche and his willingness to eschew his morals for greater escalation. My impression from the Leet interludes has been that Uber has been all-too Not-influenced by March, because she's moreso directing the person he's already turned himself into. She doesn't have to talk him into crossing certain lines, because he's already talked himself over them using his power.

It's essentially Uber's own version of the implications of Joe's original power (that he would've used his neurochem specialization to mind-edit himself into being more Okay with what he's done). Uber used his power to convince himself that he didn't do anything wrong so many times that he's essentially conditioned himself into Never questioning the morality of his actions. So March's "manipulation" comes moreso in the form of saying "do this and you'll be rewarded for it", because Uber never stops to think about the ethics anymore -closer to "hiring a mercenary" than "masterful manipulation".
 
Nimeroni said:
Well, unless Ivy seduced Scrub to the dark grey side of Lost garden.
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Well then Scrub is moving up in the world.

He went from the indie poor merchants in the Nazi Capital of America to the Lost Garden with corporate sponsorship and a signing bonus of getting laid with someone who probably has better health guarantee than what the merchant can scrounge for.


MagicalAmbitions said:
So March's "manipulation" comes moreso in the form of saying "do this and you'll be rewarded for it", because Uber never stops to think about the ethics anymore -closer to "hiring a mercenary" than "masterful manipulation".
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It shows the depths of how reliant uber is to his power then, March is barely able to communicate and he is still following her.
 
Can someone help me list all 600 perks we have gotten in which category? Like Feel It Out is in Magic and this Student thing is a Quality mote. Can someone list all 600 perks we have gotten and categorize them? I'm really curious about it.
 
PinkShadowReader said:
Can someone help me list all 600 perks we have gotten in which category? Like Feel It Out is in Magic and this Student thing is a Quality mote. Can someone list all 600 perks we have gotten and categorize them? I'm really curious about it.
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First was the Mastercraftsmen, that is fey quality that boosts very thing (quality constilation)

Second was Build Rome (time constellation) , boosts crafting speed by 100, and gives the tech base for a gunadam series

Third Was Always a bigger robot that gives spiral and removes construction size limits (vehicle constellation)

Fourth was A+++Crafting (crafting constellation) made Jie a servent and have him the ability to make super powerful magic items

Fifth was Elemental Mastery (magic constellation) that gives super powerful elemental weapons and armor and Tybalt(best boy)

Sixth was feel it out (magic, quality, knowledge and Capstone constellation) that allows Joe to phycily understand items and make constant and limitless improvements,

Seventh was Daedalus student (quality and Capstone constellation) that allows Joe to give objects extra properties that fit with its primary purpose

Here is a spread sheet with every perk does have and can get
docs.google.com

Brockton's Celestial Forge Reference

Possible Perks Domain No. ,Constellation,Place in Domain,Place Overall,Name,Origin Jump,Min Cost,Cluster Cost,All Costs,Chance to Roll (Not counting CP required),Description,Perks available 12,Alchemy Constellation,9,294,Mixing Mixtures,Banjo-Kazooie,200,200,200,1.39%,Your created potions can be...
docs.google.com docs.google.com
 
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Mourning Glory said:
Fifth was Elemental Mastery
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Wrong perk:

Infusionist (Monster Hunter) 600:
An art form thought lost to the ages and only tangentially unlocked in the rarest of armors, you have discovered the secret to infusing and uplifting weapondry and armor past the typical point even the best blacksmith are capable of taking it. Any weapon that doesn't have an element can be given one, and any weapon that already has one gets a great boost in power. Any armor that this is used on gets a great defensive boost, both to innate defensive capabilities and elemental resistances. This skill can apply to any weapon you have learned how to create - that blue lightsaber you made decades ago? Bet you didn't know it had a latent affinity for ice, did you? That high frequencey blade? It now has enough heat to cauterize as it cuts. This doesn't just apply to melee weapons either - with enough training and focus, you can create bowguns that natively shoot ice or lightning, or gunlances that fire heat beams instead of shells. The possibilities are only limited by your skill and the quality of what you have to work with.

Also, one can check Jumpchain Ability List by Constellation - Updated (Bombastus) right here in the informational threadmarks. The list gets updated fairly often and is right now up to chapter 57 (so as 57.1 is an interlude, it is completely up to date on perks gained so far).

Edit: Only thing about it is that valuable Memories: Bigs is misfiled in the Knowledge Constellation.

Mourning Glory said:
Seventh was Daedalus student (quality and Capstone constellation)
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Also, I don't think Daedalus was in the Capstone Constellation. It is needed to unlock Titan's Blood there, but maybe I misremember.
 
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MDK said:
I'm relatively sure that Accord or at least a couple of his Ambassadors will show up to the meeting.
Not only because he's a Aperion Fan-Boi but also because of his business interests in Garment.
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Lord has implied this is not the case.

Rogowaz said:
I remember Lord WoG, something like when Aperion will be immune to PtV, Cauldron will board panic train too. Aperion is immune and will be out of Workshop.
Kill Order may be near enough.
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As a couple not others have commented Joe is spoofing not going dark.

Gregory Crey said:
Also, I don't think Daedalus was in the Capstone Constellation. It is needed to unlock Titan's Blood there, but maybe I misremember.
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That's correct.
 
Interludes like this is much preferable than the previous main chapters. Up to a few chapters back, starting from when Joe's gang starts running on accelerated time. Sure it makes an awful lot of word count, but most of it just words to describe the new powers, which then feed to more powers, and more words to describe it. This, on the other hand, extend the story further in reach, if not in time.
 
I wonder what the story would be like if Joe got Tybalt earlier on. Like, "before or soon after he met the Undersiders" earlier on. Would he have asked Tybalt to go and supervise the Undersiders as they robbed the Bank?
 
AmberSlime said:
I wonder what the story would be like if Joe got Tybalt earlier on. Like, "before or soon after he met the Undersiders" earlier on. Would he have asked Tybalt to go and supervise the Undersiders as they robbed the Bank?
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Nah. He didn't think they would be robbing a bank. Even he back then had that much sense. He probably thought they would go an terrorize other gangs.

Tybalt would have probably asked Joe exactly what he wanted to do. Asking and having Joe to say exactly what he wanted with no nonsense. Then remind him if selling weapons to THE PRIME SUPPORT PILLAR OF THIS REALITY and her gang of criminals would be helpful to that goal.
 
Gregory Crey said:
Want to hear something magical? Aisha was right to pronounce the name that way. From Worm Wiki Emily Piggot:
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Is this a "no one really remembers how to pronounce Taylor's surname" situation?

Slayer 10321 said:
Really? Huh...I've been pronouncing her name as "Pig-gut" with the "O" in "Got" being pronounced "U" so that is sounds like "Gut".

The more you know...
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PrinceOfDoom said:
I've always pronounced it as Bigot with a P at the start.

Seemed fitting.
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Huh, it is.


Nimeroni said:
In canon, Joe was an extremely minor character in Parian backstory. From the wiki:





All the gangs, yes: DoD for E88, Scrub for the merchants, March for the ABB, and Flechette for the PRT (yeah the PRT is totally a gang).

But only the gangs. Coil, the Travelers, Faultline, the Undersiders, Blasto/Lost garden, New wave, the Dragon slayers, Dragon, Uppercrust, Parian... none of those have annihilators. Well, unless Ivy seduced Scrub to the dark grey side of Lost garden.

(Also, oh god this city is crowded)
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Hmm, I want to say Faultline could MAYBE damage his armor, but I need a bigger font for that maybe to show how big it is.
 
Kris-71854 said:
I can see Ivy recruiting Scrub. He'd be fine changing groups. If any Merchant asks, he is just running off with the girl to hopefully get laid. Thus another recruit for Lost Garden.
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Scrub is now Shrub?

Leet's Gamer Grid sounds like it's Reality Marble/Pocket Dimension chicanery. At best it might strip Apeiron down to his Fiat items and powers.


On LordRoustabout going ole R.R. Martin-way:
Writing doesn't happen inside your head.
It's an interface between what's in your head and what's on the page. The mind provides ideas, and the already-written work scatters and reflects things in a way that is larger than what fits in one's own mind.
Even authors who've achieved enlightenment and gone 'there is no Writer's Block' (Stephen King) get surprised by their 'own' stories.
Too much is better than not enough. Carry on.
 
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Loved this chapter and everything about it. Felt fresh and informative. So much cool stuff packed together in an immersive way. It had details and plot I forgot about and drew me right back in. 11/10
 
I've mentioned before that I was hoping this story would do a "redeem Blasto" attempt, since I haven't actually read one of those before. Here is a very recent WOG that might be relevant:

A repeat of Blasto's canon fate is very unlikely at this point. That took a lot of luck facilitated by the Broadcast shard to pull off. Jack is going to run into serious problems the moment he tries to manipulate things around Joe and the warnings from his thinker power start failing him.
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Did you see that? if he tries to manipulate things around Joe. Does that mean that in future Blasto will be around Joe? As something of a plantsman myself, I've always thought Blasto would be very interesting if only he had a bit lot more respect for his own creations. This is something Apeiron the Enigmatic Artificer is well positioned to teach Blasto. Please for a mentor/disciple relationship between them?

Sigh. Probably not.
 
AntaeusTheGiant said:
I've mentioned before that I was hoping this story would do a "redeem Blasto" attempt, since I haven't actually read one of those before. Here is a very recent WOG that might be relevant:



Did you see that? if he tries to manipulate things around Joe. Does that mean that in future Blasto will be around Joe? As something of a plantsman myself, I've always thought Blasto would be very interesting if only he had a bit lot more respect for his own creations. This is something Apeiron the Enigmatic Artificer is well positioned to teach Blasto. Please for a mentor/disciple relationship between them?

Sigh. Probably not.
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Yeah, "around Joe" in Shard terms could be the whole dang city.

I'm wondering what Lord means by Broadcast failing around Joe, though. It's not precog, or even regular power-based manipulation, just shard's talking to one another and listening to the shard they're supposed to listen to. Right?

Will Joe be sussing out Jack's whole deal ahead of time and constructing countermeasures? Possibly to do with the data he obtains from Shardspace exploration?
 
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TitanFrost said:
I'm wondering what Lord means by Broadcast failing around Joe, though. It's not precog, or even regular power-based manipulation, just shard's talking to one another and listening to the shard they're supposed to listen to. Right?
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Jack wont have Broadcast-chan whispering in his ear subconsciously about what Joe is gonna do as Joe doesnt have a shard.
 
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    • Apeiron – a Jumper – is a supreme ruler.

    Since he has the Celestial Forge, he can therefore call on the sacrosanct, divine powers wielded by the gods.

    Apeiron – a Jumper – is a lord.

    Since the power to kill a Worm is in his hands, he therefore looms over all parahumans on Earth.

    Apeiron – a Jumper – is a devil.

    Since of all parahumans who live in the world, none can assume a power to match his!
     
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