Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)
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SiegfriedisOP
Calamity Demon King of Time
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It's a reference to the series Campione where mortals can by skill or simply luck kill a "Heretical" God, a God who descended from their legend to Earth. When a mortal does so they become a Campione a powerful being who can use abilities called authorities based on the Gods they killed. Here is the original.
A Campione – a Godslayer – is a supreme ruler.
Since he can kill a celestial being, he can therefore call on the sacrosanct, divine powers wielded by the gods.
A Campione – a Godslayer – is a lord.
Since the power to kill a deity is in his hands, he therefore looms over all mortals on Earth.
A Campione – a Godslayer – is a devil.
Since of all mortals who live in the world, none can assume a power to match his!
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It's a Campione reference. It's regarding the poem(?) on how Campione are above mortals due to being able to do the impossible and kill (heretic) gods and steal their power for themselves. Apeiron is basically above all Parahumans and can (and eventually will) surpass all Parahumans (and even Entities) in existence once he fully unlocks the power of the Celestial Forge.
Edit: Lethe'd.
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It's a reference to Campione.
"A Campione—a godslayer—is a supreme ruler.
Since he can kill a celestial being, he can therefore call on the sacrosanct, divine powers wielded by the gods.
A Campione—a godslayer—is a lord.
Since the power to kill a deity is in his hands, he therefore looms over all mortals on Earth.
A Campione—a godslayer—is a devil.
Since of all mortals who live in the world, none can assume a power to match his!"
Unfortunately the forge doesn't have any Campione perks
Princes of the Universe (600cp)
Pandora is the name of the goddess who creates the Campione. An artifact
known as the Circle of Usurpation, and a glitch in the system of divine
reincarnation allows her to take certain things from the slain heretic gods, and
instead award them to her adopted children. Regardless of the details of the
system, you now own a slightly different copy. This fake Circle of Usurpation is
not necessary to continue to grow in power in other worlds, but rather for other
worlds to grow in power. Once per jump you can select a 'type' of foe for this to
affect. In the same way Campione gain Authorities from the slain Gods, you can
set a system that gifts powers from those slain beings to others that match your
rules.
This one for example would've had really interesting implications for the story if you chose Endbringers.
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BarbaCoPut
Voluta indomita
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Or worse, Parahumans. Everyone becomes Butcher lite, without the voices.
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What's interesting is that they wouldn't be Parahuman powers anymore. So if a normal killed the Cape they'd have powers without the space parasites.
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- Up on a Hill
That's not a magic bullet though. Anyone with a knife could kill Jack as long as his back was turned and they weren't a parahuman, but his power will manipulate other parahumans around him to help avoid that fate.
The Shallow
Shallow, Yet Deep
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Aisha is kinda in danger, as well as the undersiders and any other cape. Jack would 100% use the 9 as human sheilds to escape death. Still kinda looking forward to Mannequin V Apeiron...
Ostentatiousness
I am the man who arranges the blocks.
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Given how things have progressed, and the inclusion of WH40K motes as well as psychic powers, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Joe snags a mote that makes it that he was a Primarch in the past. Specifically; Perturabo, Magnus the Red, or Rogal "Lord Adornable" Dorn.
Actually, given how Joe's family treats him Magnus would be a good fit for him.
Bear in mind that I haven't looked up any of the motes in the Celestial Forge in advance because I don't want to be metagaming in my head.
Actually, given how Joe's family treats him Magnus would be a good fit for him.
Bear in mind that I haven't looked up any of the motes in the Celestial Forge in advance because I don't want to be metagaming in my head.
Gumiho
Reach heaven through violence!
Of course not, but Thinker powers also glitch around Joe (when he gets a new perk/item I believe?, and when he's in the workshop, plus the anti-thinker devices Joe can build).
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Doesn't hurt that Jack's shard will think Joe would do nothing or give orders to do nothing, up until he does if it's a parahuman.
Even without Joe having equipment that no sells thinker powers,he has a crew of people that where made to kill jack. I'm more worried about sebarian with her bullsh*t powers, can tybalt and fleet beat her?
The Shallow
Shallow, Yet Deep
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Siberian is a combination of a dimensional effect and a projection. Just give Joe some time to Countercraft!
No such ability exists in the future as far as I know. Maybe Lord will add it in Capstone but I would be surprised.
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I'm still hoping that he'll add Item Creation EX for -300CP.
Just a fun thought that occured to me
Random Tinker: What makes you so great!?
Apeiron: Well I'd like to think I'm not all that great as a tinker. Now as a businessman, that's where I really shine. I mean once a client needed a weapon, so I built a spear that could allow someone to take over a country, kill Alexandria, and defeat all 3 Endbringers at once, but the client had requested the spear also be self upgrading. So I simply scrapped the piece of junk I had previously built and started over until I had a spear that could do all of that and upgrade itself over time without needing tinker maintenance, just as the client requested. Sure it's an outdated piece of crap nowadays and for some reason all of my clients seem to not want me to scrap the projects I gave them previously since they are all outdated, but I abide by my clients request and let them keep their outdated equipment. So really I think I'm a great businessman!
Random Tinker: What makes you so great!?
Apeiron: Well I'd like to think I'm not all that great as a tinker. Now as a businessman, that's where I really shine. I mean once a client needed a weapon, so I built a spear that could allow someone to take over a country, kill Alexandria, and defeat all 3 Endbringers at once, but the client had requested the spear also be self upgrading. So I simply scrapped the piece of junk I had previously built and started over until I had a spear that could do all of that and upgrade itself over time without needing tinker maintenance, just as the client requested. Sure it's an outdated piece of crap nowadays and for some reason all of my clients seem to not want me to scrap the projects I gave them previously since they are all outdated, but I abide by my clients request and let them keep their outdated equipment. So really I think I'm a great businessman!
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- Deep inside the sand
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- He/Him/His
I had a what-if idea that has been growing on me.
What if Apeiron wouldn't have gotten Weaponsmith (Light of Terra DLC 5 A Sky Filled With Steel - Warhammer 40,000) 300 during Dragon's Interlude. Apeiron said it was something he got at the last moment and all hope seemed lost. Would the story have taken the plot to have Apeiron's identity exposed and mc running. What do you think?
It's hard to say for sure because mc's actions during that chapters were all in line with what he usually did and could have done. If Weaponsmith wouldn't have been rolled then Roust could have had mc not promise Dragon to help her. Then again he could also have Apeiron's identity leaked to PRT. Then would they have gotten his ID and a raid shortly thereafter but without any tinker workshop to confiscate. Joe himself would also have left. His SSS house protection is active so if PRT troopers would have tried to break open the door they would have gotten teleported to a large mass of water. But eventually they would have tried to bring every parahuman they have in employment and then would have gotten to Flechette soon or later.
After this I'm just guessing what Joe would have done. He would probably regress in terms of therapy. He would also need to cut ties with all his support pillars and the result would be him to be much more isolated.
He might think he needs to make a point of strength so PRT& any gangs doesn't leak his identity to the public or creates a man hunt. He might be thinking that in order to do that as he already have his idenitity compremised so he could just build a large transformers robot/plane/spaceship with LOTS of guns.
What if Apeiron wouldn't have gotten Weaponsmith (Light of Terra DLC 5 A Sky Filled With Steel - Warhammer 40,000) 300 during Dragon's Interlude. Apeiron said it was something he got at the last moment and all hope seemed lost. Would the story have taken the plot to have Apeiron's identity exposed and mc running. What do you think?
It's hard to say for sure because mc's actions during that chapters were all in line with what he usually did and could have done. If Weaponsmith wouldn't have been rolled then Roust could have had mc not promise Dragon to help her. Then again he could also have Apeiron's identity leaked to PRT. Then would they have gotten his ID and a raid shortly thereafter but without any tinker workshop to confiscate. Joe himself would also have left. His SSS house protection is active so if PRT troopers would have tried to break open the door they would have gotten teleported to a large mass of water. But eventually they would have tried to bring every parahuman they have in employment and then would have gotten to Flechette soon or later.
After this I'm just guessing what Joe would have done. He would probably regress in terms of therapy. He would also need to cut ties with all his support pillars and the result would be him to be much more isolated.
He might think he needs to make a point of strength so PRT& any gangs doesn't leak his identity to the public or creates a man hunt. He might be thinking that in order to do that as he already have his idenitity compremised so he could just build a large transformers robot/plane/spaceship with LOTS of guns.
Narsauce
The Crucible Shitlord
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- Here, there and everywhere
I doubt that primarily considering Item Construction A+++ is a 600 perk and Countercraft in Joe's NP raises it to EX. Lord has already stated that Countercraft can more or less make anything to counter a specific attack or effect, it can even make something to redirect Sting. I think if Joe had access to Item Construction EX just as a base, things would be... busted, on the low end.
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We're already heading in that direction I'm not Saying Lord should add it immediately, right now it's probably would be too much of a power boost but honestly with things like glory to, the Daedalus student capstone booster, Strong spark, and many others, won't change all that much it would most likely make him better well-rounded.
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- Odessa
Dragon wouldn't have gotten Joe's ID (where from? I doubt he used a single IP, much less a fixed one tied to his ID), she would have gotten his geographic location only.
Dragon outhacking Joe on his home field would have been futile (unfamiliar OS, unfamiliar hardware, joe had hardware access, e t c), so she wouldn't have gotten into his system. If duplicate had enough time to get a link to the Laboratorium, duplicate could have simply shut down external connection in even less time. At most Dragon would have gotten access to GSM/CDMA stations and triangulated Joe's location from there. Location would have been +-10m at best due to multiple walls and metallic structures around (also depends onto location of Joe's receiver, if it's in the workshop it would have muddied the water further). If Joe used 'hacked' routers, that might help narrowing position down a bit, but not by much.
Dragon could have potentially matched signal strength of nearby phones with workshop's one, to figure out if there are any phones in the workshop. But that has own issues: multiple phones would have been nearby and such match won't mean much overall: phone could have simply been inside a lift, near something metallic, a fluke due to gsm-based way of geopositioning being unprecise by nature, e t c. Match wouldn't have been sufficiently conclusive.
Even with precise location and a raid minutes after, which is very doubtful, local PRT is not that fast at their best, much less for raiding a populated house that likely needs to be cordoned first, Joe could have easily crafter a decoy relay (or several), placed it somewhere in the building, then let PRT find it. PRT would not find his workshop by definition and later will assume that the workshop wasn't there at all: where and how would a fresh tinker build and power a workshop, silently! in a populated residence? They might suspect a pocket dimension, but I doubt that those are mobile, and tinker would have picked a place where it's easy to deploy and receive a vehicle discretely, a workshop in an apartment complex is just silly. A relay however totally makes sense - multiple residents have own phones and routers so it's simpler to get higher bandwidth and mask higher network activity of the relay.
Another option (does not exclude previous one) is to go back online from somewhere else. If he moves his workshop couple kilometers away (will take him minutes), and makes it clear that second attempt was still from a workshop (ex: place workshop somewhere with a better network, add something new) it will be immediately 'obvious' that a relay was used at previous location. Even if Joe loses again, he will leave PRT non the wiser about his location.
One more option was to remotely reboot GSM/CDMA stations in Joe's vicinity before dragon got to them, with a command that will also wipe logs on startup (it's illegal to tamper with those stations, but he already did either way). At most dragon would have gotten a very vague area of Joe's location, may be a rough area of his house if routers were used and rebooted as well. Still enough time to plant decoy-relays somewhere. It might result in some area-monitoring by Dragon, but as long as there were no other oddities in the area, Joe would have been fine.
Joe was very pessimistic with his assessment, he had multiple options even if they weren't a victory. Weaponsmith was just the most convenient that permitted him a victory.
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With Joe's crafting time he also could have made a relay, tied it to a drone and sent out of the window/roof, switched to using relay instead of a direct connection.
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Pretty sure Lord commented way, way back that it wasn't about if Joe could stop the S9 (he can, pretty easily most of them at that), but wether he could stop them before the did irreparable damage, which they will do.
Jack? Doesn't matter, bullet to the head. Mannequin? Doesn't matter, squashed. Bonesaw? Will most definitely plague the city before Joe can fix it. After that? High grade explosive. Syberian? Will not sense anything from her so he gets suspicious, will probably take him a while to find Manton, not before Syb can do something. Multiple Personality Disorder Girl Whoes Name I Can't Remember Right Now? Boom, headshoot.... After extinguishing the flames. Shatterbird? Infrastructural damage around all the city before he deals with her. Hackjob? Easy to kill.... at a distance because he can still dissables many of Joe's powers. Cherish? Not really sure if she can affect Joe tbh, still will probably take a shit ton of hostages with her. Still, easy to kill. Crawler?...... Well, he can most likely convince him to stay put while he tries to kill it, if it doesn't work Joe can just Kars him.
So yeah, killing them? Easy. Do it before they do stuff? Not that easy.
And I wish there was Arknights ones, specifically the one that would let him "create any medicine as long as it's physically possible" (which it appears to just mean "reproduceable for other people").
Or the one that make him a super manager, able to give super manager abilities to his subordinates to delegate.
Pretty sure Lord commented way, way back that it wasn't about if Joe could stop the S9 (he can, pretty easily most of them at that), but wether he could stop them before the did irreparable damage, which they will do.
Jack? Doesn't matter, bullet to the head. Mannequin? Doesn't matter, squashed. Bonesaw? Will most definitely plague the city before Joe can fix it. After that? High grade explosive. Syberian? Will not sense anything from her so he gets suspicious, will probably take him a while to find Manton, not before Syb can do something. Multiple Personality Disorder Girl Whoes Name I Can't Remember Right Now? Boom, headshoot.... After extinguishing the flames. Shatterbird? Infrastructural damage around all the city before he deals with her. Hackjob? Easy to kill.... at a distance because he can still dissables many of Joe's powers. Cherish? Not really sure if she can affect Joe tbh, still will probably take a shit ton of hostages with her. Still, easy to kill. Crawler?...... Well, he can most likely convince him to stay put while he tries to kill it, if it doesn't work Joe can just Kars him.
So yeah, killing them? Easy. Do it before they do stuff? Not that easy.
And I wish there was Arknights ones, specifically the one that would let him "create any medicine as long as it's physically possible" (which it appears to just mean "reproduceable for other people").
Or the one that make him a super manager, able to give super manager abilities to his subordinates to delegate.
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I don't mean that Dragon could take control of Joe's systems. I mean that she could get track him to which address he uses. Whatever she did use to track him did work as she managed to track him to the northern part of the city. When she manages to get a singular address she can look up who owns what there. Even if it's not exact whose address was located in that area.
Huh, I did not know about that +-10m. Still he will still be one of the suspects even if there are about 20 people living around that area. They might do voice recognition if it's that small of a sample population.
Another good idea. I guess it just made sense to view it like that when Joe was all resigned about the situation and was thinking to abandon his ID.
Another good one! I think it's just a testament to Roust writing skill to make it so gripping in these situations. Another reason is, well, I didn't know it. From my view everything seemed lost both in Dragon's Interlude and Joe's flashback in the next chapter. Dragon could come up with every counter to his defense and still narrow in on him.
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The Shallow
Shallow, Yet Deep
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I should say, Dragon was able to tell when Apeiron was messing with logs most the time, so the fake relay would have to be a precision job as to fool her, but generally these are good ideas.
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A bit worse than that actually, something like +-20m for modern 4g networks on flat terrain, in cities, worse inside buildings or regions with low cell-tower density. Even worse in 2011.
But I'm rounding to +-10m due to "Tinkers are bullshit" and the value not mattering much (alternate history), main point being that it's neither precise nor conclusive. Good enough to find or track a workshop(building) or a car. Not good enough to find specific flat where signals twist.
Relay doesn't need an ability to log, it can be a simplest, low level, hardware-only networking device, nothing to hack, nothing to store logs. Makes sense to not go all out on a deniable asset (and a host of other reasons).
Or just add a tiny bomb into a believable relay, place into a duct somewhere, then blow it up. Good luck figuring it out.
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MagicalAmbitions
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1. it's Burnscar
2. Multiple Personality Disorder has not been a diagnosis since 1994, when it was renamed to Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) to reflect a better understanding of the underlying condition. That being that the identity is fractured or split, rather than the development of new personalities.
3. Burnscar does not have DID. Her power affects her mental state based on frequency of use; Using it too much makes her reckless, not using it enough makes her depressed. This is probably closer to having her self-esteem tied to her power usage than to having DID.