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Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

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prussiangrandier said:
@LordRoustabout thanks for the chapters, I actually have some questions for the food delivery perk

what did fleet, matrix, and Survey asked for in their food allowance?

Would food from generator Rex contain nanites? They are a part of the universe, it would be like making fallout food non-radioactive, and I think they can reproduce themselves

would food from arakkis contain traces of spice mélange? As the air itself has enough to make people high by breathing it

would Skyrim food be an anomaly? Given how, It's geologically barely older than the universe and was raised with a magik portal as a sun

Would any of the characters DARE ask from food from Fallen London?

Could you ask for food from the period and location Joe was in, and then carbon date it/geolocate it?



What worlds is survey asking food from first?



Whatever happened to ragamuffin? Did he just forget who he was chasing? Did he think he lost weld? Did weld just diapered? Would garment be able to make him into a beautiful princess dress?

How useful is the food request for mundane archeology? Like asking for an exclusively Minoan dish with the ingredients in a list would give you an idea how to speak the language


Survey would be using this opportunity to find out more information, tests can actually be very useful here, and with those we can build an order based on what would be the most efficient

the minimum for an efficient order should be this: she needs two fresh vegetables from very far away cultures from one another that were grown around the same time, MRE/soldier's rations of the date Joe was in the world, and anything with paper or written words in it

this would guarantee you to at least know if a civilization is a single planet or not, as you could tell based on the ratios of carbon-13 and carbon-12, as was the case for the discovery of the ancient fungus called prototaxites, since things that eat their carbon rather than absorb it through the atmosphere have different ratios


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carbon-14 tests let you know how old the food is (for instance, Italian pasta made in the 15th century would still show up as a being from the 15th century as the carbon atoms are already set), this combined with Ceasium-137 tests allows you to also know if the universe had any nuclear weapons allows you to pain a very clear picture of when and where something took place

the MREs are pretty evident, since a star fleet MRE would be ridiculously technologically advanced, possibly a micro-replicator with a single pattern, whilst Skyrim would have hardtack, and since it tends to be very processed for long duration you can detect what level of technology the specific world has, it will not be the most advanced food, but it will be made with the most widely available technology

the labels are also pretty evident, and are very indicative since there is a lot of information on a food's label, what level of chemistry your world has, your language, your laws, your dates, your metallurgy, your agriculture, your prices, your currency, your economic system, your racial profiles, your culture, your organization systems


the kerbals should probably be asking for Energon, since it literally takes 1000 barrels of oil to make 1 Energon cube, and they can have that delivered, it blows any other fuel out of the water by a factor of thousands, but possibly still behind nuclear, since 1 ton of uranium is equivalent to millions of tons of coal, but probably not useful in a rocket, energon however is combustible, making it better for this
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If I'm understanding the Nutrition perks correctly, once per week every member of the workshop gets a delivery of food.
The value is the equivalent of $300, and can be broken down into different amounts of general food types (50% seafood, 25% vegetables, 15% fruits, 10% breads), and a specific culture can also be selected, including from previous jumps (in this story that's anywhere Joe has a perk from).
Brands can be specified as a preference, but not direct control, so Joe could put down "Ben & Jerry's" as a preferred brand, but not pick out "Cherry Garcia"
It mentions in each level of the perk the items delivered being stuff that would be purchased from that culture/on that budget, so it really reads like handing a bunch of cash to someone who is going to a grocery/general store for you, with a list of how much from each food group.

So Survey could put down ancient Minoan for the culture, and specify a small percentage being spices, and the rest equal parts red meat and seafood, and she will get a mix of containers of beef, lamb, goat, and/or horse, and a mix of various fishes and shellfish, and a few smaller containers of whatever spices were typically found in the markets back then. She can't pick out a specific dish, and if it isn't something that would generally be available for regular purchase then RNG won't have it show up either.
 
rollobeast said:
If I'm understanding the Nutrition perks correctly, once per week every member of the workshop gets a delivery of food.
The value is the equivalent of $300, and can be broken down into different amounts of general food types (50% seafood, 25% vegetables, 15% fruits, 10% breads), and a specific culture can also be selected, including from previous jumps (in this story that's anywhere Joe has a perk from).
Brands can be specified as a preference, but not direct control, so Joe could put down "Ben & Jerry's" as a preferred brand, but not pick out "Cherry Garcia"
It mentions in each level of the perk the items delivered being stuff that would be purchased from that culture/on that budget, so it really reads like handing a bunch of cash to someone who is going to a grocery/general store for you, with a list of how much from each food group.

So Survey could put down ancient Minoan for the culture, and specify a small percentage being spices, and the rest equal parts red meat and seafood, and she will get a mix of containers of beef, lamb, goat, and/or horse, and a mix of various fishes and shellfish, and a few smaller containers of whatever spices were typically found in the markets back then. She can't pick out a specific dish, and if it isn't something that would generally be available for regular purchase then RNG won't have it show up either.
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All large cities had restaurants and eateries, you could definetly get some street food

Even ancient Rome did it


View: https://youtu.be/v5Qz00eUF5Q?si=rPY1m5ib7dzJIkl9

If people are the same (and they were) they took food home and ate there, how complete are we talking here? Bread obviously can be bought, but can things like meat skewers? Stews?

So you could definetly get it, and since their lenguage is unknown having ingredients labled helps a lot in decifering their lenguage

Like having an amphora or olive oil with the words olive oil would help a ton because you know what it was and can decipher how it's read

Sometimes I wonder if archaeology in bet isn't way more advanced, the thinker power of seeing all past before the entities arrive is a possible thing, and massively powerfull on the right circumstances

It also progressively it becomes less usefull in current affairs whilst providing riches and resources

But that's a tangent, what I'm saying is that labels are important, we know now how mummification works because we found an embalmers shop with labled jars

Same with extinct ingredients like silphium, that we literally have recepies for

This also doesn't answer on whether you can ask for food from a specific restaurant, it can be a specific region, but how small are we talking? Individual cities, neighbourhoods or maybe single streets
 
Looks like the idea of a Big is finally on the table, and I'm definitely looking forward to the finished product when combined with all the various mecha technology that's been building up in the background.
 
ExploerTM said:
Man, there would be NOTHING left of Lisa after Joe deals with Dinah and Noelle. I would say "Reduced to atoms" but that would imply that there were atoms left. She would be annihilated on conceptual level, retroactively erased out of existence. And I am here for it.
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Joe is deliberately letting Lisa take the reins for the traumatized teenager to take control of her life for her mental health, so yeah bud you're 100% right that he's going to ATOMISE HER for the crime of... uh... being a character some rando in the thread doesn't like.

When he's in a real world and treating things as if they're real and he doesn't treat death lightly at all.

Mesaphrom said:
A reminder that she used to just "undress" in front of him. She can't get more direct than that!

Though, as Aisha have said, he already gave her the keys to his home. Suck on that, Crystal! Garment already won the race!

SS IRONCLOTHES ALREADY LEFT PORT YEARS AGO!

(I do like Crystal though, hope shit doesn't hit the fan when she learns Joe=Ape)
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Joe & Crystal & Garment is an unironic ship I have, but maybe Garment can have a little polycule as a treat.
 
Psiidmon said:
Joe is deliberately letting Lisa take the reins for the traumatized teenager to take control of her life for her mental health, so yeah bud you're 100% right that he's going to ATOMISE HER for the crime of... uh... being a character some rando in the thread doesn't like.

When he's in a real world and treating things as if they're real and he doesn't treat death lightly at all.
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...ever heard about exaggerations? Verbally murdering someone? Man, you must be fun at the parties...
 
LordRoustabout said:
I apparated away from the boardwalk, vanishing in a slight pop and appearing in one of the heavily warded backrooms of Garment's studio. Actually, the entire studio counted as heavily warded at this point, and to a degree that felt slightly ridiculous, even for me.
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You know, when Levi finally disco stomps BB it's going to be obvious which buildings are connected to Apeiron on the waterfront because they'll be the only ones left standing.
LordRoustabout said:
"Assurance about me?" I guessed. Tattletale nodded. "What kind of assurances?"

"Mostly that you aren't mounting any major operations. You or any of your team." She explained.
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Joe: I've got nothing major planned, I've got a small outing planned to exterminate Slaughterhouse Nine whenever they get their shit together and finally arrive, but nothing important.
LordRoustabout said:
This power was from a version of Earth where aliens definitely built the pyramids. I could understand that, how the ancient structures integrated into their technology and how other alien technology could be discerned from the same principles, no matter how convoluted the connection between archaeology and xeno-engineering was.
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I was fully set to make a joke about how this was a Stargate power no matter what evidence I got shown, and then it turned out to be correct. Therefore I am happy to announce that Joe just got an injection og 100 CCs of Doctor Daniel Jackson directly to the brain!
 
Iridesce said:
I feel like Joe's going to put up some kind of forcefield to protect the east coast. You know. As a procation. Wouldn't want to damage Florida from the aftershocks much less Brockton Bay.
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I am placing a bet that its actually Lethe who would counter Leviathan via challenging him in hydrokinetic tug-of-war and winning effectively nullifying Endbringer's main attack and making everyone shit their pants because THAT not only lived in the same city as them but also can just make everyone forget she existed in the first place. I am sure implications of Endbringer level threat that you cannot even perceive properly would go well.
 
Ostentatiousness said:
You know, when Levi finally disco stomps BB it's going to be obvious which buildings are connected to Apeiron on the waterfront because they'll be the only ones left standing.
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Levi is going to get stomped so hard it isn't even funny. Wog was when Tybalt was rolled he could solo Levi naked. Levi is also the simplest endbringer to counter because all it has is water and physical atks. The former have been pretty hard countered for a while considering the water control sabers he had when rescuing Weld and for the latter when not submerged Levi's stats aside from it's inflated def against everything other than spacetime atks from the spatial folding technique and hp.
 
I think that there is a lot of evidence that there are nanites in the generator Rex food, as we see that white knight needs special magnets to clear his food from nanites, so all food is going to have nanites unless specified otherwise, since it is an in universe issue

then there is the issue of other contaminants, like spice mélange in dune and the potential of animals as alchemy ingredients, in truth Skyrim animals can probably be used as alchemy ingredients because they grew with a magical portal as a sun

there are probably some other contaminants that I am missing, but these are the two main ones, with the nanites being the biggest concern due to self-duplication

the use of the food request for research purposes will be what survey will focus the most in, as will actually accept trade in ration points (basically having others put in a request for her) since it's one of the few limited/finite resources available

and the kerbals are definitely going to use Energon, as the Saturn V rocket had the energy equivalent of 5 energon cubes in fuel
 
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Ostentatiousness said:
Therefore I am happy to announce that Joe just got an injection og 100 CCs of Doctor Daniel Jackson directly to the brain!
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Worse, he got a dose of Jack O'Neill straight to the brain.

Stacked on top of other similar perks, and multiplied by things like "Do One Thing At A Time" if he's deliberately trying to insult someone, and Joe might accidentally recreate D&D's "Vicious Mockery" cantrip from first principles.

(Does that count as an audio-based Blaster effect? It would certainly be an ironic way to deal with Jack Slash — ignore all of Bonesaw's protections, and just insult the dude so hard he spontaneously has a dozen lethal aneurysms at once… Done right/wrong (delete as appropriate) you might even cut the Corona Pollentia off from the rest of his brain, and disrupt/disable his powers.)
 
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Graviator said:
Unless you interpret its hydrokinesis as non-Manton-limited to the extent where it can kill people by exerting direct control over their various bodily fluids.
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That would require ignoring the wildbow wogs that levi has macro hydrokinesis and that the endbringers don't sandbag in that way and that the entirety of it is faking wounds and in tactics. Conveniently that very same one even goes on to say that a fully serious levi does not pull out new powers or applications of them because it doesn't have them but stays submerged off the coast where it's basically safe and has it's submerged bonuses and lets the tidal waves do it's work.

While I admittedly am not fond of his wog in general this is one of the rare few I wholeheartedly accept because my very is that worm is a bleak enough world and the endbringers are more than strong enough so there is no need to do things like allow levi to pop people or turn it's water echoes into water clones or have super modes especially because we see it fighting Scion and it did none of that there so there's really no excuse for the fics that do these things.
 
There is also the question of the force, as food from Star Wars will contain midiclorians, the force will come into existence the moment you order a single cup of blue milk

what happens when the force exists there, assuming the midiclorians don't die instantly, are contained or stop working

what that implies is that something similar to the warp would come into being, the force may even co-opt the force, or may not hold enough of a critical mass to have a permanent foothold, or may end up somehow absorbing or fusing with the warp, after all, the warp is a reflection of the psionic power inmate on living beings, whilst the force has an independent will of its own, even if scatter brain and not able to act efficiently on a human level

my theory is that it will have some fun personal effect with the synchronicity wave and Alma wade

Joe will refuse since it the force does have the problem of being a binary of all being it controls, either light side or dark side, it reduces the infinite shades of gray of human experience to a sharp binary, which he probably wouldn't want

but I can see some other characters choosing to go for the force, the kerbals especially, since Joe can likely make them force sensitive, and it helps you fly spaceships and astro navigate

the force will absolutely do anything to kill the entities, it canonically despises super weapons and wound in the force, it may legitimately give its users more power than it does in the Star Wars galaxy due to the shear emergency
 
Joe's already force sensitive. I also assume that it works under standard Jumpchain rules of it only exists for Joe and people Joe makes it exist for.
 
Iridesce said:
Joe's already force sensitive. I also assume that it works under standard Jumpchain rules of it only exists for Joe and people Joe makes it exist for.
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see that's the issue, it exists only to those to up to the moment someone orders something from the Star Wars galaxy, which will contain midiclorians

same issue with there being food from generator Rex, though I will argue that one is more dangerous, since self replicating nanites that can manipulate space

again the issue is unlikely to escalate, but there is some chance of a containment break, or at least there was before Joe was a literal god of crafting
 
prussiangrandier said:
see that's the issue, it exists only to those to up to the moment someone orders something from the Star Wars galaxy, which will contain midiclorians

same issue with there being food from generator Rex, though I will argue that one is more dangerous, since self replicating nanites that can manipulate space

again the issue is unlikely to escalate, but there is some chance of a containment break, or at least there was before Joe was a literal god of crafting
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I would assume there is a zero percent chance of a containment break, for the same reason why someone who has magic wouldn't instantly die from taking a Toaru esper perk. Jumpchain perks are basically assumed to be safe by default, unless they specifically aren't. If these foods could lead to an outbreak of anything, there is no reason why any other items given by perks couldn't release thousands of novel diseases. They don't of course, so we can safely assume that the midiclorians are innert and the nanotech does nothing.
 
Iridesce said:
I would assume there is a zero percent chance of a containment break, for the same reason why someone who has magic wouldn't instantly die from taking a Toaru esper perk. Jumpchain perks are basically assumed to be safe by default, unless they specifically aren't. If these foods could lead to an outbreak of anything, there is no reason why any other items given by perks couldn't release thousands of novel diseases. They don't of course, so we can safely assume that the midiclorians are innert and the nanotech does nothing.
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Is the food from fallout not irradiated then? That seems like a betrayal of concept
 
ExploerTM said:
I am placing a bet that its actually Lethe who would counter Leviathan via challenging him in hydrokinetic tug-of-war and winning effectively nullifying Endbringer's main attack and making everyone shit their pants because THAT not only lived in the same city as them but also can just make everyone forget she existed in the first place. I am sure implications of Endbringer level threat that you cannot even perceive properly would go well.
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Lethe: "Compared to my team, I'm not that much of a threat, really. I'm more of a small scale operations."

Also Lethe: could literally drop the contents of an entire planet on you
 
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