It's more just wishful thinking and the power researchers being idiots we later learn for example when Purity goes to a university to try and learn how to trigger Theo that despite them having no examples of a 3rd gen cape they all had their theories they were squabbling over because they all insisted they were clearly correct despite again literally 0 proof.
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It's more just wishful thinking and the power researchers being idiots we later learn for example when Purity goes to a university to try and learn how to trigger Theo that despite them having no examples of a 3rd gen cape they all had their theories they were squabbling over because they all insisted they were clearly correct despite again literally 0 proof.
Wildbow being about as accurate with his depictions of academia as he was his depiction of government is wholly on brand. Dude probably thinks Michael Crichton was too optimistic in Jurassic Park.
So once Joe gets the Arch-Magos power he is going to finally know what a Titan is. How badly do you think Fleet is going to want to pilot one.
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So apparently the foods from fallen London are almost if not more bulshit then the colors actually
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there is the standard fare of mushroom but now you have spicy ones
apples that strengthen the body but make it more stonelike
Biscuits that cannot spoil
imitation eldrich abomination
catches from The Unterzee
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmuhWpp8fZw
salt that tastes like clean air a crystallized ginger
heck Cardinal's honey would be one of the most fitting ends for jack slash since it will literally make him face the people his killed, it's based on Goalers honey, that allows one to experience the memories of other, this one allows you to experience the memories of the dead who can be people that you know or vengeful spirits
like this can legit cause Scion to die, or at least be significant slowed down
Leathe water Tea, it does something, but I don't quite recall what
like honestly, the food from fallen London may even be worse than the colors
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"To be edible, is to be possible to be consumed. And to be living, is to consume. Thus we find that the nature of the unliving is to be consumed. In fact, therefore, anything that is not living may be consumed - "[1] With the Sun blocked off by a mile of dirt, the Neath has developed its own...
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there is the standard fare of mushroom but now you have spicy ones
apples that strengthen the body but make it more stonelike
Biscuits that cannot spoil
imitation eldrich abomination
catches from The Unterzee
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmuhWpp8fZw
salt that tastes like clean air a crystallized ginger
heck Cardinal's honey would be one of the most fitting ends for jack slash since it will literally make him face the people his killed, it's based on Goalers honey, that allows one to experience the memories of other, this one allows you to experience the memories of the dead who can be people that you know or vengeful spirits
like this can legit cause Scion to die, or at least be significant slowed down
Leathe water Tea, it does something, but I don't quite recall what
like honestly, the food from fallen London may even be worse than the colors
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He is going to have to fight off Tybalt for it!
It is the ultimate instrument of war in 40k too. He is so painfully oblivious to the glories of a proper Titan, we could maybe get Ion and her squad some proper weapons as well.
Based on data from the last Lung fight, last-generation stock battle robots are insufficiently armed with conventional weapons, without resorting to Vortex bombs, and we have not gotten to High Priest suppression yet. So something that can match an Endbringer indefinitely at a non-sandbagging level is needed since we know that Shards love targeting Apeiron, particularly with abnormal power expressions.
While Glory Girl's insistence that Telepathy is impossible happens in a room containing three arguable telepaths will never not be hilarious its not even the dumbest thing she does during that scene. She, an individual who claims to study parahumans, calls Lisa, a social thinker, "stupid."
I mean. Without her power Lisa isn't especially smart. While she isn't actually stupid in general, she also doesn't seem to be very impressive even by real world standards. She's also definitely lacking in wisdom. Remember, thinker powers don't actually make people smarter or wiser even if people might be inclined to think they do.
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best to give them analogy
a person with a calculator is not smart, they just got something to be smart for them, but the person is still the same, dumb and unwise.
same with a person with a giant alien calculator stamped into their head
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In the context of the situation - aka social confrontation - that doesnt matter in the slightest. Professional wrestler who can probably break me in two Bane-style might be dangerous, but in a fight a person with handgun would be much more dangerous regardless.
It doesnt matter how smart you are, you are not "Outsmart social thinker in their environment" smart.
This actually made me think of how having a calculator all the time from too early of an age can actually damage your ability to do math. I knew someone who because he had some minor math disability was given a calculator all the time from elementary school up to highschool. Before getting special training he was basically unable to count. Pick up four marbles and hand them to him, say he has four marbles, hand him another and them ask him how many he has. He would be unable to answer the question. He got past it pretty quickly and I'm not sure if it wasn't just trained helplessness but it was a thing. So I wonder if getting a super reading situation ability would damage Lisa's ability to function properly. I doubt it would be anywhere near as extreme but it would make sense if she was actually significantly below average in that area.
Thing is her power isn't a direct social skills boost. It just makes her supernaturally good at reading things and people. It gives her additional information which is just half the equation. It is also known to give her information that's very wrong and be very confident about being wrong.
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Gun doesnt actually make me myself more dangerous nor would I claim that I can hit all my shots (or that gun wouldnt just jam). It doesnt make me with a gun any less dangerous in a fight against unarmed wrestler.
Yeah, it's just that her power is less a gun and more a bow and arrow. If she doesn't know how to apply it it's kinda useless. It needs much more training than a gun. This is basically her main weakness. Lisa often has important information and then just kinda uses it as a blunt instrument. Yes, you could technically whip someone with a bow but that's a terrible way to use it.
Edit: Oh I have a better analogy. Imagine Lisa has a gun but instead of shooting it she just pistol whips everything. This is Lisa a lot of the time. She has this incredibly dangerous weapon and then she uses as a figurative blunt instrument to smack people in the face with it. A lot of the time she would be much better off keeping her mouth shut.
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I disagree tbh, by her feats Lisa holds a gun, she just not nearly as much of a sniper as she believes herself to be.
Its still would be pretty dumb for unarmed combatant however strong they are to claim that someone with a weapon is defenseless. Even waking someone with a bow in melee gives you more reach.
It's her wildly swinging competency as the exposition fairy. Sometimes she's this terrifying marksman who hits shots she has no rights to land. Sometimes she decides she just needs to get all close and pistol whip this rando for no reason.
Watsonian perspective says this is probably her using her power at full blast vs restricting it. Which says that while she's good at hiding it Lisa isn't very smart. If she was actually naturally competent her power at half blast would be mildly less effective than full blast instead of this extreme difference.
If Vicky just said Lisa was dumb she was probably right. Lisa is less master marksman, more toddler with a handgun. Toddler with a handgun might actually be more dangerous sometimes but that doesn't mean they are a good marksman.
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I honestly dont recall Lisa fucking up THAT much. I hate when fics turn her into Sir Lisa The All Knowing (which is ironic on my part because Gideon knew fuck all so he WAS much closer to Lisa), but to me it looks like you taking a swing in opposite direction and portraying her as being basically braindead. Her smarts are above average and thats that.
I don't think she's actually above average. Nor is she below average. I think she's solidly average. Also probably suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect. That's probably super common for thinkers though. Anyway, in canon Lisa was kinda known for provoking people when she really didn't need to. Example A, Bakuda. Really didn't need to provoke her, probably would have been better off stroking her ego a bit to draw things out. Same with the bank confrontation. I would use the Jack confrontation but his power give her a pass. Thing is though the Jack confrontation wasn't even slightly out of character. All of these are examples of her using her power as a blunt instrument when she probably shouldn't have. Is this her being dumb? Kind of, but only in a normal way. I really just think that she's heavily help back by, A, being a teenager and thus dumb by default, and B, standard parahuman aggressiveness.
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Sure but in an example with a gun you trying to portray her as "toddler with a gun" while in truth she is "entirely average shooter who can but doesnt like to aim properly, known to just full auto SEND IT and still thinks themselves to be a genius sniper". Thats, like, a very huge difference. Mainly because even on full auto said shooter still would hit their mark fairly often. And also doesnt help metaphorical wrestler with which we started in any way, shape or form.
I don't think that Vicky was saying Lisa wasn't dangerous though. Just that she's a terrible shot. Also the toddler with a handgun comparison was more that Lisa is dangerous to herself and her allies a lot of the time. Again, Bakuda.
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Saying that gunner is a terrible shot standing metaphorically 10 meters away from them is STILL supremely stupid; chances of gunner missing (especially if they are known to just full auto that direction just in case) from that distance are not worth provoking said gunner to take a shot.
You'd be surprised how much an amateur will miss with a handgun at that distance in a stressful situation like a fight. Would probably hit though if just unloading the magazine though. I don't think that Lisa has something fully automatic though. At least not without lots of prep time. Solidly handgun.
I would add it's also annoying how wildbow and hence people like Vicky and Armsy treats psychic stuff as telepathy only both there and the other times it's mentioned cause psychic stuff includes things like tk or clairvoyance.
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But thats the thing. Lisa is not a complete amateur in that example. Or at least her gun has slight aimbot to compensate for gunner not having much experience. And regardless, even IF you against a complete amateur, with nothing but your bare hands provoking a gunner is height of stupidity. The gun might not be loaded at all; might not be a real gun in the first place. And it still would be stupid.
They've been to college. Thus their total level of intelligence has suffered a significant drop. Granted there are actually a lot really dumb college graduates and students.
I think that a pretty easy defense for Vicky here is that Lisa before this point was a random no name villain who I actually wouldn't be surprised if she had never heard of before. She doesn't care about the conversation that much and hasn't seen anything that isn't easily explained by lots of research. As far as she can tell there's a decent chance Lisa doesn't even have a gun at all, toy or not. Lisa might not even have a thinker power, or one that's just not a social power. As far as Vicky knows Lisa could have a clairvoyance power that makes her extra aware of her surroundings or she could have in any of the other categories and Lisa is just being subtle.
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My point from previous post still stands. The gun might not be loaded at all; might not be a real gun in the first place. And it still would be stupid. Metaphorically, the alley is dark as shit and Lisa is holding something in her hand. She claims it to be a gun. People around these parts with guns are not common but also far from being unheard of. So, there is a very good chance that it is indeed a gun. Actual gun. Loaded gun. Pointed at you. Making assumptions is very bad idea in such situation.